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 Beastie
   
Gender: Male
Splorin
 |  |  |  | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 20 on 7/25/2004 1:57 PM >
|  | | | Its funny that people on a UE forum would waste so much time disecting this persons personal exploration. All that had to be said in my eyes, was "be carefull railways are dangerous" that sorta makes this forum less and less appealing. On a more related note, i have a friend who works in the field i will ask him what he knows about these locks
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 21 on 7/25/2004 5:50 PM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
Anyone can rappel, it isn't against the law yet. Lockpicking on the other hand is for most people. |
That entirely depends on where you live. In the United States, the only place where it is illegal to have lockpicks with you is within Washinging D.C. It's like camo... don't let anyone find you picking their lock and you should be fine. Don't attempt to pick any lock that you aren't confident you can get quickly. Same as rappeling equipment. If someone finds you with them and can prove that you were going to use it "with intent of burglery," than you will charged with a class 5 felony (or something similar depending on where you live).
Posted by junkard
I rarely use the lockpicks because vehicle locks are more complex than your typical Masterlock. |
Although in most cases newer cars use sidebar wafer locks (Difficult to pick), it is much easier to pick the lock in the case of many vehicles, IE. older ford models that use pin and tumbler. In many cases it's quicker to pick the lock than bypass the lock.
If someone wants to take the time to learn how to pick locks and make/buy his/her own tools, than more power to 'em.
Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. |
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Gunslinger
  
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 22 on 7/25/2004 10:07 PM >
| | | | First of all I know how dangerous active railways are, I do not intend to be standing on any tracks for long periods of time. Second of all I know how illegal it is to tamper with CN/CP property (that’s why I am not tampering with it, horsing around with it or any of the other terms people have come up with, just taking pictures), also CN/CP police no longer carry firearms. The reason why I did not post on the lock picking form is these locks are rather unusual and as I far as can tell have no real way of being picked with any standard tools. Also the reason why asked for a way to defeat these locks is so I do not have to cut them, even if I get no useful ideas (which seems to be the case so far because every one thinks their opinion matters to me or will somehow help me defeat these locks) I will still refuse to cut or damage these locks. If I did that would leave this equipment open for other people, which could end up very badly (which is the exact opposite of what I want to happen). Also why the argument over repelling vs. lock picking, it has nothing to do with this thread. Also just because I do not know what equipment is housed in secure huts that are illegal to enter disqualifies me as a person who is interested in trains and makes me into a terrorist? Do people who enjoy exploring sewers know exactly what kind of equipment they are going to find down each manhole? Of course I am terrorist because I going to ask a question in a public forum that law enforcement agencies view all the time, because that way when I derail a train the will know to come looking for me first, also if I was a cop someone telling how to defeat a lock would not allow me to arrest you.
And of course thanks to all who have provided support for me, legion, mark, beastie and anyone else I forgot to mention.
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 23 on 7/25/2004 10:10 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gunslinger
And of course thanks to all who have provided support for me, legion, mark, beastie and anyone else I forgot to mention.
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...I would like to thank the academy...
Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. |
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 24 on 7/25/2004 10:30 PM >
| | | | actually a close friend is a cn cop and he does carry a firearm, and just have a look at the cn police station in mtl when the guys come out they are armed
Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive |
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 25 on 7/25/2004 11:16 PM >
| | | | sorry snake eyes, your support is apreaciated to. Also i have been through acitve tracks, stockyards, roundhouses, stations and such (only in ontario though) and have never seen a CN/CP police with a firearm, perhaps the laws are differnt in quebec or montreal.
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 26 on 7/26/2004 1:28 AM >
| | | | Lol I didn't really support you (i didn't *not* support you either)... I was just saying "I'd like to thank the academy" because that's what your little quote there reminded me of ;)
Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 27 on 7/28/2004 5:02 AM >
| | | | Snake Eyes, I would have to say you are misinformed. In most areas it is illegal to carry lockpicks unles you have a legit reason to do so. If it weren't for that reason, there would be no reason to be a bit more discrete. There are different degrees of legality, such as if you don't get caught it isn't as illegal. And if you are faster at picking a doubble sided Ford lock than hitting the power lock or pulling the door handle or grabbing the linkage with one of about 20 differnt rods, I'll hire you on the spot. As far as rappelling, I don't know too many people that get busted carrying that kind of gear around on the street. If a cop could prove you were using a rubber ducky in connection with a felony, you'd be in a bit of trouble. And since you don't know me, you can ask anyone who does, I really don't care so much what anyone does, legal or otherwise. Not my business. I do enjoy my hobby and want others to be able to enjoy it too. After the Landmark Six deal I realized even more than I ever did how much we need to watch what we say and even more so what we do.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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ArmchairExplorer
Location: Vancouver
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 28 on 7/28/2004 5:08 AM >
| | | | There is essentially no legitimate reason for the general public to get into lineside equipment boxes. Much of this equipment is life-critical and any damage--even unintentional--could get people killed. Be advised that some of these equipment boxes, particularly those on subway systems, may be alarmed.
Want photos? Befriend a signal maintainer and ask. Otherwise, leave well enough alone.
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 29 on 7/28/2004 5:10 AM >
| | | | your name seems to say it all. I hate to attack someone but the day you spout that its dangerous is the day i point to car crash statistics. Also I personally dont feel like befriending every owner of every place.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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SnakeEyes
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 30 on 7/28/2004 5:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
Snake Eyes, I would have to say you are misinformed. In most areas it is illegal to carry lockpicks unles you have a legit reason to do so. If it weren't for that reason, there would be no reason to be a bit more discrete. There are different degrees of legality, such as if you don't get caught it isn't as illegal. And if you are faster at picking a doubble sided Ford lock than hitting the power lock or pulling the door handle or grabbing the linkage with one of about 20 differnt rods, I'll hire you on the spot. As far as rappelling, I don't know too many people that get busted carrying that kind of gear around on the street. If a cop could prove you were using a rubber ducky in connection with a felony, you'd be in a bit of trouble. And since you don't know me, you can ask anyone who does, I really don't care so much what anyone does, legal or otherwise. Not my business. I do enjoy my hobby and want others to be able to enjoy it too. After the Landmark Six deal I realized even more than I ever did how much we need to watch what we say and even more so what we do.
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I'm affraid you are the one who is missinformed, as mere possetion is not illegal. Here are seveal laws from states in the US:
Alabama:
Possession of burglar's tools.
(a) A person commits the crime of possession of burglar's tools if he:
(1) Possesses any explosive, tool, instrument or other article adapted, designed or commonly used for committing or facilitating the commission of an offense involving forcible entry into premises or theft by a physical taking; and
***>>>>>>>(2) Intends to use the thing possessed in the commission of an offense of the nature described in subdivision (a) (1) of this section.
(b) Possession of burglar's tools is a Class C felony. (Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §2615.)
Alaska:
AS 11.46.315. Possession of Burglary Tools.
(a) A person commits the crime of possession of burglary tools if the person possesses a burglary tool with intent to use or permit use of the tool in the commission of
(1) burglary in any degree;
(2) a crime referred to in AS 11.46.130 (a)(3); or
(3) theft of services.
(b) As used in this section, "burglary tools" means
(1) nitroglycerine, dynamite, or any other tool, instrument, or device adapted or designed for use in committing a crime referred to in (a)(1)-(3) of this section; or
(2) any acetylene torch, electric arc, burning bar, thermal lance, oxygen lance, or other similar device capable of burning through steel, concrete, or other solid material.
(c) Possession of burglary tools is a class A misdemeanor.
Most all states have very similar laws, here where I live it is a class 5 fellony with "intent of burglery." However, I have talked with several policemen and they told me they wouldn't bat an eye as long as they wheren't actually used to commit a crime. Most laws classifly a burglery tool as any tool that is used in burglery, soooo- if you use rappeling equipment in a burglery (say, to rappel from the top of a large building to a certan floor), you would be charged with the same crime. Yes using them in a UE environment is illegal, but so is tresspassing and such and you don't seem to be so worried about that.
Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. |
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 31 on 7/28/2004 8:30 PM >
| | | | I would definently not be touching any subway equipment what so ever, its about 10 times harder/dangerous to go on subway track and also theres really nowhere to go if someone/ a fucking subway train comes. Also dont you think trying to befriend a signal maintainer and then asking him to take pictures, might just be a little supcious? And isnt the whole point of UE to get into places, not have someone else take pictures for you?
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[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 32 on 7/29/2004 11:39 PM >
| | | | You're absolutely right, and I am an idiot. And tresspassing probably carries the same punishment as B&E in most areas.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 33 on 7/29/2004 11:42 PM >
| | | | You forget even in lovely canada one of the guys didnt do any B&E got stuck and was charged with it. Wanna nitpick fine go take your happy rear and go into your buildings if this man is willing to risk it so be it. His call not yours.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Rust
I am a rustbucket
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 34 on 7/30/2004 5:21 AM >
| | | | Posted by junkyard
You're absolutely right, and I am an idiot. And tresspassing probably carries the same punishment as B&E in most areas.
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So, I take it that you don't tresspass?
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 35 on 7/30/2004 5:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by ArmchairExplorer
There is essentially no legitimate reason for the general public to get into lineside equipment boxes. Much of this equipment is life-critical and any damage--even unintentional--could get people killed. Be advised that some of these equipment boxes, particularly those on subway systems, may be alarmed.
Want photos? Befriend a signal maintainer and ask. Otherwise, leave well enough alone.
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Is there a legitimate reason for all of UEing? almost all UE means having to tresspass at some point, do you think you could covince cops to let you off just because you wanted to see some abbandoned bulding and happned to be tresspassing at the same time?
[00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads.
[19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis.
17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 36 on 7/31/2004 1:07 AM >
| | | | Yeah I tresspass, all the time. And I have gotten off by explaining what I was doing. I never said not to break laws. I do that every day. I'd even be willing to bet going 70 over is against the law too. The point is that certain things draw more attention than others. Killing someone is a worse crime than J-walking. Tresspassing is a pink-who-cares-ticket. B&E is a bit worse. If you don't get caught picking, no one will know. If you do, it's not good. Having picks on you will raise more concern than say rappelling gear. You can't buy picks as easily as rope and biners for a reason. You don't have to be using the picks in conjunction with a felony to get in trouble. Just having them is enough, since there is only one use for them. I don't know how this got to be such a big production. Moral of the story is use discression. I never said don't do it, I'm a cop and I care what you do. If having picks on your person doesn't sound like a bad idea, why not carry a crowbar at night. We got arrested walking down a sidewalk at night, BEFORE we entered a building, armed with flashlights and cameras. Spent 48 hours in the clink. Nobody had lockpicks on their person, although I had my work set in the car. We were not charged, but still missed work. We LOOKED suspicious, not to us, but by the cops. So do what you want. I was hoping that others could learn from our mistakes, but I'll shut up now and leave this one alone.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Roadwolf
The Wolf!
Location: Buffalo, NY (formerly Toronto, Canada)
Gender: Male
Living on the Road and Rails.
| |  | | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 37 on 8/5/2004 4:23 AM >
| | | | ignoring all the hassle in the room about terrorists and tresspassing and such.. i know you can actually find CN / CP Rail keys on ebay. A buddy of mine who collects keys has railway keys for almost every railway in ontario.
Some buildings use the nut driver type of lock, which you only need a 1/2 inch nut driver to unlock. (i think, might be 3/4 tho)
but generally these buildings hold nothing special since it isnt a very secure locking device.
otherwise i dont know how to pick them...
Sorry,
Roadwolf,
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SteamPunk
Location: Sailing the seas of sleaze.
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 38 on 8/6/2004 9:22 PM >
|  | | | i was lucky enought to get keys for all but one of the railroads in the vancouver area, and the police took one so that leaves me with two. they are mostly the same, but there are minor difs, like the size of the hole, extra flanges( that can be filled off to work in others), and the like. they can get me into cars and equipment, and best of all outhouses! relief!! i have picked these locks with the can opener on my kinfe as well, but is difficult, and causes wear, damage to the tool.
I used to be with it, but then they changed what it was. Now what I'm with isn't it, and what's it seems weird and scary to me, and it'll happen to you, too! |
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FatRat
Location: Oslo, Norway
Gender: Male
How to fix ANYTHING!
| | Re: CN and CP locks
<Reply # 39 on 8/26/2004 12:57 AM >
| | | | The keys are widely available at special stores.
Found this great site! Check out the radiator multipurpous keys, manhole keys and stopcock keys. Lots of different stuff there! 
Whoops!
Forgot the URL! ;)
http://www.tooled-up.com/SubCategory.asp?CID=9&SCID=183
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