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1 2 3   UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > CN and CP locks (Viewed 1107 times) Gunslinger  Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region" Gender: Male  |  CN and CP locks < on 7/23/2004 5:00 AM >   If anyone hear has ever walked on train tracks or been to a stock yard you'll have most likely seen these specially desinged locks on CN/CP equipment. They have a triangular piece of metal inside a cylinder and all you have to do is rotate the triangle to open them. this makes them impossible to pick. does any one know how to defeat these locks? [00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads. [19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis. 17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 1 on 7/23/2004 5:05 AM >   What could you possibly want to remove a railroad lock for? This won't get you into anywhere per se, but would allow you to do malicious things like throw switch points or mess with signals. To address the question, there probably is no practical (and non-destructive, which I find extremely important) way to bypass these types of locks without the proper key. I highly suggest you look elsewhere for thrills, as the railroad does not look favorably on people tampering with things. There is a serious risk to both property and human life here. Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." Gunslinger  Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region" Gender: Male  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 2 on 7/23/2004 5:18 AM >   Well to reassure all, i would not be leaving hand throws in the thrown positon or tampering with any signals (the last thing i want to do is cause an accident). Also along the tracks there are several "huts" which house machinery and i would like to see what this machinery is. There are also serveral other interesting things eg flange greasers, lazer eyes, etc. that the inner machinery is locked. In sum all i want to do is take a few pictures and then leave the machinery/equipment alone. ALso i would be puting the locks back on, so therfore no cutting [last edit 7/23/2004 5:20 AM by Gunslinger - edited 1 times] [00:22:07] * Roadwolf prefers tampons over pads. [19:42:01] <Roadwolf> i like penis. 17:04:43] <Avatar-X> i saw a husky outside earlier today 17:05:11] <Silent_Knight> you didn't get shagadelic on it, didya' Av? ;p [17:05:12] <Avatar-X> yeah i don't know why :P nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 3 on 7/23/2004 11:59 AM >   just remember silver bungalows are railroad property. The railway police play hardball believe me. you dont want to be caught in there. my friend was arrested for tresspassing for sitting on a bench of a cummuter train station at noon, the reason NO TRAINS TILL 4PM. He had no business there since there were no trains comming for a bit. he was taken in, asked a bunch of questions and issued a ticket. Railway police are REAL police with interesting jurisdiction rules ie: in montreal they have a 1km radius around most rr installations. Those little huts are bad news to be in since they could be signaling equipment. Remember Union Pacific is now dispatching Railway Police to hassle railfans who take pictures to imagine if you are caught in a signalling hut. I never underestimate the railways in case of having some interlock on the doors of these things. When it comes to railway property stay away its not worth the risk. Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive Samurai  Vehicular Lord Rick Location: northeastern New York No matter where you go, there you are...  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 4 on 7/23/2004 4:43 PM >   You want to know what is in those silver bungalows? 1.)a couple of banks of BIG exide batteries 2.)equipment for the signals (basically cases of equipment with blinky-flashy lights 3.)more equipment for the fiberoptic lines than run along the rails (I want to say repeater, but that is not the word I am looking for) in other words, nothing of any interest. I have a friend who works for CP Rail in signal maintenance. :o) Samurai el nerdo  Chief UER Lackey Gender: Male What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?  |  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 5 on 7/23/2004 6:14 PM >   Posted by Samurai You want to know what is in those silver bungalows? 1.)a couple of banks of BIG exide batteries 2.)equipment for the signals (basically cases of equipment with blinky-flashy lights 3.)more equipment for the fiberoptic lines than run along the rails (I want to say repeater, but that is not the word I am looking for) in other words, nothing of any interest. I have a friend who works for CP Rail in signal maintenance. :o) Samurai That's not all that's in some of them. Many house a special RFID station that monitor freight as it goes by. And it's quite the system too... it can read an RFID tag mounted on a cargo container from 25 feet away at 100 km/h. nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 6 on 7/23/2004 7:24 PM >   but the urge to see whats in em can get you in a mighty lot of hot water Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 7 on 7/23/2004 7:58 PM >   (shakes my head) THe man didnt ask for your commentary on if you would or wouldnt go in. He didnt ask if tresspassing was illegal. He asked how to bypass a lock so he didnt break anything. Why the fucking hassel? Sorry cant help you never encountered one. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" JimBoylan  Location: SouthEast Pennsylvania, U. S. of A. Gender: Male  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 8 on 7/23/2004 8:31 PM >   I would suggest exercising your couriosity on a recently abandoned, out of service line where the authorities are only worried about theft and vandalism, and not sabotage. Someone on one of the smaller and more touristy railways might be more likely to let you have a peek inside the enclosure. Or wait for the maintainer to inspect, and look over his shoulder. Of course the proper key looks something like the head of a triangular socket wrench, with whatever handle the manufacturer and purchaser could agree on that day. I think there are 5 kinds altogether: 2 sizes of triangle, a hexagonal, a circular with 2 notches that takes a flat key with 2 projections, and a hexagonal that also has the same 2 notches so it can take either the flat or the hexagonal key. Theoretically a hexagonal key could be made with the 2 prongs inside so it would not work on the regular hexagonal lock! There's also a double-ended key with the large triangle on one end and the regular hexagon on the other. In my area, telephone companies like the hexagonal kind, and use the same key for other types of locks than just padlocks. Since someone with a machinist's mind could make a substitute for the key, these locks are really just to keep honest people (and explorers) out! LearnedHand  Gender: Male  |  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 9 on 7/23/2004 9:11 PM >   Terrorist. Farrix  Location: Alberta Gender: Male  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 10 on 7/23/2004 9:42 PM >   All i wanna mention, is Rail cops can shoot at you, they are allowed, if you got access to a bench grinder and a square bar, you can probably rig yourself up a key... ~shrug~... Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 11 on 7/24/2004 12:12 AM >   Holly PISS. Are you guys freaking ignorent many of us go on Active sites all the freaking time. If he wants to risk it stop bugging him. This is the problem with some of you guys. Instead of biting your tougn you vomit out comintary about how dangerous it is. If I want to "infilitrate" the pentagon so be it if the man gets busted so be it. Please stick a little more to topic then nay saying. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" MacGyver  Location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 12 on 7/24/2004 1:25 AM >   Posted by Mark (shakes my head) THe man didnt ask for your commentary on if you would or wouldnt go in. He didnt ask if tresspassing was illegal. He asked how to bypass a lock so he didnt break anything. Why the fucking hassel? Sorry cant help you never encountered one. You wanna know why? Because someone I don't know is asking for help to break and enter into what could be considered critical infrastructure. If I did have some kind of useful advice in a situation like this, I wouldn't be giving it away because I have absolutely no idea what this person plans to do with that knowledge. I most certainly do not want to help someone do something malicious. They could easily turn out to be a thief, vandal, kidnapper, terrorist, or something somehow worse. The point I'd like to get across is that just because you may know something, such as how to bypass some kind of lock, does not mean that it's a good idea to share that knowledge, and it's especially not a good idea to share that knowledge with somebody you don't know and trust. Nothing against Gunslinger; he's probably a friendly upstanding citizen with a deep fanatical interest in trains. He could also be planning to derail a freight train or cut power to signals. I personally (and I suspect almost all the other people in this thread) have no way to know, so I want to err on the side of safety. See what I mean? Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 13 on 7/24/2004 3:07 AM >   You make a very strong point however I dont think its any worse then telling people how to pick locks or scale walls. Such as the quest to hope over a fence. That could be far more dangerous then someone trying to pick a lock. There are far better resources out there. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" Krenta  Location: Saint Paul, MN Nope, wasn't me.  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 14 on 7/24/2004 3:17 AM >   Posted by Gunslinger ...you'll have most likely seen these specially desinged <sic> locks on CN/CP equipment...does any one know how to defeat these locks? I'm terribly sorry, but there seems to be some confusion here, and I'm not exactly sure what the cause of it is. However, I suspect the following information may clear things up. Firstly, his is an urban exploration forum, not a lockpicking forum or the forum of NASEG (the North American Society of Evil Geniuses). As has been posted before, if you really want to learn about bypassing locks, go visit a lockpicking or locksmithing board, or check the lockpicking private forum here. Seocndly, by semi-formal declaration, the discussion of unusually criminal activity and behaviour is prohibited and actively discouraged. Like others have pointed out, the vast majority of things protected by the crude locks you inquire about are tiny, relatively uninteresting, and exceptionally prone to mischief. Thanks to UER's handy-dandy search function, responsive answers to your query would be available for posterity for any malicious idiot with too much time on his hands to read and get really bad ideas from. Thirdly, as was pointed out so politely by Krazy, you've been here two weeks, you claim to be seventeen, nobody knows you from Adam, and you'd like step-by-step instructions to potentially horse around with one of the least-securable, most-vulnerable pieces of North America's public infrastructure? I'm not sure what depresses me more, that you expected people to respond with information, or that people did. Fourthly, as SPEK points out, rail operators are an oddly humourless bunch where curiosity and youthful indiscretion are concerned. Get caught with an open communications box or bungalow, and you're not going to get off with a warning. That's a virtual certainty. Posted by Mark Holly PISS. Are you guys freaking ignorent many of us go on Active sites all the freaking time. If he wants to risk it stop bugging him. This is the problem with some of you guys. Instead of biting your tougn you vomit out comintary about how dangerous it is. Mark, do you know what a "bad idea" is? Even us raging liberals will occasionally admit that there are times when too much information is a bad thing. If someone posted a thead on this forum, wanting to know how to make a kilo of flash powder, to set off to distract security guards at an active site so he or she could sneak in, would you give him step-by-step instructions, would you be one of the ones pointing out that a kilo of flash powder is enough to vaporize you, well above the critical mass of flash for detonation, that flash is mighty dangerous stuff, and that manufacturing it is a felony pretty much everywhere, or would you be the one spewing forth angstful vitriol at everyone who thought the whole thing was a bad idea, because you're an elite commando and use pyrotechnics all the time, thus it's a perfectly safe and germane topic of discussion with total strangers whose motives you don't know and whose character you can't vouch for? The guy asked for information on how to access - reasoning and motives aside - the remote, relatively unguarded heart of the railroad system. From the fact that he doesn't know what's in these structures, one could surmise he isn't a die-hard rail afficionado. Would you like to be responsible when, through a total, honest accident on his part, he overrides a switch, or signal, or otherwise causes a derailment? Do you remember the derailment in a town in the Dakotas a few years back, when several cars carrying liquid ammonia ruptured? Would you like, even a little bit, to be repsonsible for something like that happening in Toronto? Or anywhere else that someone who reads the information you think should be freely given, and uses it, happens to live? There's a difference between messing with an active building, and messing with active trains. I'd really like to think you can see that. Maybe the poster is fascinated with all things rail. Maybe, despite claiming to live in/near Toronto, those silver boxes are the most exciting thing he can find to poke around. Maybe he's a particularly crafty and illiterate railroad cop phishing for information. Or maybe he's a disgruntled, trench-coat-wearing loser who hates the world. I dunno. And, more to the point, neither do you. So, Mark. Caution, intelligence, and wariness, or wanton disregard for danger and consequences? What's it gonna be? Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. Rust  I am a rustbucket  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 15 on 7/24/2004 5:40 AM >   I'm pissed off. What a bunch of presumptuous assholes. He's not going to sabotage anything, and he's not a fucking terrorist. He's a personal friend of mine whom I know in real life, so fuck off. He didn't ask for a commentary on whats legal and illegal, whats safe and whats not, and whats considered right and wrong. I'm quite sure he is perfectly aware of the risks of dealing with this sort of thing. And for fucks sakes, the CN/CP Police aren't going to be shooting anyone for tampering with equipment. Christ. So either lock/delete/whatever this topic or quit posting this bullshit because I'm pretty sure he dosen't give two shits. SnakeEyes  Gender: Male  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 16 on 7/24/2004 5:52 AM >   It pisses me off when people remark that this "isn't a lockpicking forum, it's a UE forum," whenever someone asks about lock bypassing. Whenever someone asks about rappeling no one ever says this "isn't a rappeling forum it's a UE forum." IMO Lockpicking should be a very encouraged part of UE, because it can be the most non-destructive way to enter a live/inactive site. People are putting locks on everything these days, and it's a very usefull skill to know how to bypass them. The entire point of UE is to view places you aren't supposed to, ESPECIALLY WITHOUT DAMAGING ANYTHING. Picking a lock does no more damage to the lock than inserting the actual key would (except on a very very small scale). It is also important to understand that any *mechanical* locking mechanism can be bypassed without the use of the proper key or combination. (Some electronical locks are starting to come closer and closer to unpickable, but still nothing has reached that level). Saying that a lock is not pickable is ignorant. However it is also important to note that some locks take an unpracticle ammount of time to pick, from brand to brand and model to model, even to key to key. Now I'm not saying that this particular lock this person is trying to bypass needs bypassing, as it does seem very suspicious, I'm just trying to give my two cents about some of your attitudes towards lockpicking. A UE'r should try to find the most effecient way to enter a site, and this sometimes may be bypassing a lock that was placed there to keep other people out. Pity the poor agnostic dyslexic insomniac; he stays up all night, wondering if there really is a dog. junkyard  Location: LaCrosse, WI Gender: Male Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.  |  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 17 on 7/24/2004 3:58 PM >   Lockpicking and rappelling are two totally different things. Anyone can rappel, it isn't against the law yet. Lockpicking on the other hand is for most people. I do both, legally. I'm not very fast at lockpicking, because I am not a locksmith or a thief. I'm an auto mechanic, who happens to own two tow trucks. It is my job to repair vehicles and break into them when need be. I rarely use the lockpicks because vehicle locks are more complex than your typical Masterlock. And we don't do alot of repos. I use them for getting into trunks in an emergency, otherwise it's the old fassioned under/over the window job. Unless you are a tow truck driver, member of LE, or a locksmith, it probably isn't legal to have them in most places. First of all while lockpicking doesn't destroy the lock if done properly, it's still B&E. And if someone were to do that, they might be a bit more discrete about getting the info on it. Anyone who wants to learn a questionable skill can find everything they need to know in most cases without asking. Usually when people ask before they do any homework or put any thought into it, they are too lazy to do it the hard way and give up. Most people don't mind answering questions as much if asked privately and you show alot of effort. This is in general, not just for lockpicking. It is also a bad idea to proliferate too much information to just anybody for obvious reasons. I would have to say in this case the destination does not outweigh the risk. If I wanted to see what's inside, I'd just ask, more often than not the grunts don't mind in cases like this. I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner! Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite. Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com Mark  Very Noble Donor Location: South Carolina Gender: Male What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 18 on 7/24/2004 6:44 PM >   Personally I never come across any info on these triangle locks. Infact I have never seen one down here. Next repeling is possibly more hazardous to your health then lockpicking and UEing. When it comes down to the details that you have to look at when repealing are huge! Both acts are fairly hazardous to your health weather its butt fuck prison or broken in four concreate. Giving people shit about it doesnt make any sense to me. "If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: CN and CP locks <Reply # 19 on 7/24/2004 7:04 PM >   the montreal subway is also full of these locks, the keyhole for the lock under the emergency brake in the cars supposedly when turned takes you to a tropical molson dry island from what i saw a few years back in a commercial Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive UER Forum > Archived UE Tutorials, Lessons, and Useful Info > CN and CP locks (Viewed 1107 times) 1 2 3   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 156 milliseconds. 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