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 'Dukes
    
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Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
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<Reply # 40 on 7/9/2004 11:29 PM >
|  | | | Posted by andrea
I say the 40 picture limit sounds good.. What if descriptions of the pictures were required ? That would be one more step that made people think about the photos and think twice about posting 200.
I saw the Jenkins thing the other day and did not attempt to look at it, I had no clue to start. The best locations are the ones with one simple gallery and actual descriptions on the pictures.
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Best idea I've seen here yet. The problem; garbage pictures in excess.
The solution; better pictures with more descriptions.
The problem I have with bad pic galleries is that there is no "narration". Now, while some pics are just self explanatory, my favorite locations are the ones that illustrate with words more than pictures. The Scotland pics are great; there's text on almost all the pictures, and the replies are interesting and funny.
On the other hand, 150 pics, most of them the same, I usually just click "mark as seen" and I'ts gone.
However, forcing pictures to have a description would greatly enhance the "fun" factor of the LDB.
I like it.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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Silent Knight
Location: Niagara region
Gender: Male
Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)
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<Reply # 41 on 7/9/2004 11:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by HairyTheTaco
We do have a lot of pictures in the Location Database, Im quite sure we could delete about half of the pictures that are posted right now.
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I have to agree with Servo's earlier comments - its potentially a pandora's box of unpleasantness.
Nothing personal Taco, but its easy to say "I'm sure we could delete half of the pictures..." - when you haven't contributed any yourself.
If a moderator gets appointed to subjectively delete whatever pics they deem unworthy...I can imagine the ambition to contribute would wane somewhat. I know I wouldn't be as enthusiastic to post if I knew someone was only gonna rip a bunch of them down anyways.
Silent Knight
You can always tell when you're watching Canadian television - the actors in the show are the same ones doing the commercials. |
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Sparta
Noble Donor
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 42 on 7/9/2004 11:38 PM >
| | | | All new locations with a 40 limit picture max isn't that bad. But, I think it would be best if there was an option for users who absolutely think they need to post more because the location is just too big and too good, that there should be an option to submit a gallery with more than 50 pics to a moderator, and the mods could be the ones who could approve galleries with over 50 pictures. However, this would take a whole lot of time. So, I think an idea that we could do is have members volunteer their time to approve the pending galleries. These volunteering members who approve galleries could be picked by the mods too. With of course, some requirements. I think a must for a requirement would at least be a member for more than a month, and have the location db rater star. Just an idea.
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HairyTheTaco
Location: The Hammer, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 43 on 7/9/2004 11:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by 'Dukes
However, forcing pictures to have a description would greatly enhance the "fun" factor of the LDB.
I like it.
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After reading the replys after my last post, I think I like Dukes idea of forcing all pictures to have a naration is a much better idea then mine. I dont think someone will post 100 pictures if he has to type up 100 different narations; this will force him/her to only post a few good pics, and not any crappy ones. In my opinion, I think his idea will work.
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Silent Knight
Location: Niagara region
Gender: Male
Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)
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<Reply # 44 on 7/9/2004 11:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by HairyTheTaco
After reading the replys after my last post, I think I like Dukes idea of forcing all pictures to have a naration is a much better idea then mine. I dont think someone will post 100 pictures if he has to type up 100 different narations; this will force him/her to only post a few good pics, and not any crappy ones. In my opinion, I think his idea will work.
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Might work...but then again you might just end up with people typing in redundant descriptions like, "A tree..." or "A door" etc.
<----- boat in water
Half the time I can't come up with a narration for even some of what I consider my best pics. They're just too self-explanatory. So by forcing narration, I'd either have to come up with some sort of lameass text, or not post the pics at all.
Silent Knight
[last edit 7/9/2004 11:48 PM by Silent Knight - edited 1 times]
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
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<Reply # 45 on 7/9/2004 11:45 PM >
| | | | Sorry I copied you duke I swear I read all this. Anyways another point. What about those damn sites like the one im gonna do monday that have seveal buildings. If this gets stuck in im not posting shit especially the other few buildings I have of baghdad.
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andrea
Location: Baltimore MD
Gender: Female
Apparently, I am heinous.
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<Reply # 46 on 7/9/2004 11:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by HairyTheTaco
After reading the replys after my last post, I think I like Dukes idea of forcing all pictures to have a naration is a much better idea then mine. I dont think someone will post 100 pictures if he has to type up 100 different narations; this will force him/her to only post a few good pics, and not any crappy ones. In my opinion, I think his idea will work.
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No NOT Dukes idea, Andrea's idea ! ;)
This isn't boot camp and you are not a ninja. But you sure look like an idiot in that outfit.
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MothMan
Noble Donor
Location: The Gem City
Gender: Male
If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
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<Reply # 47 on 7/10/2004 12:22 AM >
| | | | I dunno. Forcing a narration is not the answer. For myself, I struggle to write a snippit worth reading. Enforcing a maximum amount isn't the solution either.
Most all the fuss is about "Explorer Joe posting 450 crap-wad pictures...same perspective, same building... boring!" Well, let's encourage Joe to take better pix, if we don't like 'em. That's REALLY the solution. In the end, it's gonna be a VERY subjective decision: Joe might prize his UE photo -- it's one of a kind -- and who am I say to say it sucks?
I'm torn on this. I don't like wading through tons of pictures that bore me (and I already have my small list of LDB posters that I like to see pix from), but I'm hard-pressed to discourage somebody who wants to share, unless I know I can turn it into a positive exchange.
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Silent Knight
Location: Niagara region
Gender: Male
Kastle Archives Productions Inc. (since 1999)
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<Reply # 48 on 7/10/2004 12:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by MothMan
I dunno. Forcing a narration is not the answer. For myself, I struggle to write a snippit worth reading. Enforcing a maximum amount isn't the solution either.
Most all the fuss is about "Explorer Joe posting 450 crap-wad pictures...same perspective, same building... boring!" Well, let's encourage Joe to take better pix, if we don't like 'em. That's REALLY the solution. In the end, it's gonna be a VERY subjective decision: Joe might prize his UE photo -- it's one of a kind -- and who am I say to say it sucks?
I'm torn on this. I don't like wading through tons of pictures that bore me (and I already have my small list of LDB posters that I like to see pix from), but I'm hard-pressed to discourage somebody who wants to share, unless I know I can turn it into a positive exchange.
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Very well said Mothman. I agree entirely.
Silent Knight
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'Dukes
Noble Donor
Gender: Male
At least someone llikes me
| | | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 49 on 7/10/2004 1:48 AM >
| | | | Like I said earlier, the alternative is to do nothing , which is just fine as I always click "read " if the photos are too boring to wade through. Which is why some otherwise mundane locations are rated well; becacuse there is a caption and the person has taken the time to properly document the location.
In my mind the LDB reward is to have people comment on your photos/stories.
At the very least, it's a detterent to have all your pics ignored.
I think that the issue is immaterial. If you want to take pride in your location, then you will post good material.
I got your tour winner right here pussies, at least he'd crash out trying. |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
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<Reply # 50 on 7/10/2004 1:54 AM >
| | | | I'd really like to pull this all back to the original root question.
And that is:
Why are we doing this ? If you don't like the pics, if they suck (In your opinion) there is 'mark all as seen'. There is a thumbnail viewer for slower links / people looking for something specific.
So to ask - why is this needed ? To improve the DB ? Who complained ? How many people ?
As mentioned earlier - there are A FEW locations that could benefit from a run through with a Xmas tree to clear them of any junk.... So Mods, Av, Steve whoever - email the offenders and ask them to clear it up. Why make sweeping changes to the one really outstanding part of this site ?? And possibly make it unusable / entierly sucky in the process ?
The most I personally would like to see is maybe a reminder to not post sucky pictures when you upload new pics. Anything else is a pointless hoop to jump through that will only discourage good photos being uploaded.
If it aint broke....
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
| | | | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 51 on 7/10/2004 1:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by 'Dukes
I think that the issue is immaterial. If you want to take pride in your location, then you will post good material.
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Could not have said it better myself... And didn't.
Chris...
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 52 on 7/10/2004 1:57 AM >
| | | | Posted by turbozutek
If it aint broke....
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....don't fix it!
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 53 on 7/10/2004 3:03 AM >
| | | | What they said...
Particular Sites that prove nothing should be done.
http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?locid=20634&galid=11809
Three diferent people took pics and AHHH there all different and interesting as hell in my ohh so humble opinion.
http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=20506
Another nice proof.
I also might like to point out this.
http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=20506
Even though there are way to many pics I think almost all of them are good. Even the one with two many pics.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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nostra-YOUPPI!
Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
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<Reply # 54 on 7/10/2004 4:58 AM >
| | | | http://www.uer.ca/locations/show.asp?locid=20115 then you have some like this that have hundreds of identical pictures,
Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive |
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Servo
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<Reply # 55 on 7/10/2004 5:12 AM >
| | | | Hmm, the funny part is, after looking over those last 4 locations, I'm thinking maybe a hard picture limit would be a good idea. Even if all the pictures are good, I see a gallery with 100 pictures in it, I tend to get bogged down in looking at them and just don't look at all.
Maybe a hard limit per gallery, but no limit on number of galleries? Would still allow large sites to be documented, but the pictures would need to be split into functional groups of some sort -- by building, floor, time, something. I think it'd make it more likely that any one picture actually gets viewed, and also solve the original issue of discouraging camera dumps.
[last edit 7/10/2004 5:13 AM by Servo - edited 1 times]
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Sinister Crayon
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 56 on 7/10/2004 5:25 AM >
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so? if they want to post their pictures they should be able to. you don't have to look at them.
[last edit 7/10/2004 5:25 AM by Sinister Crayon - edited 1 times]
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TurboZutek
King Dick
Location: Scotland
Gender: Male
Giant octo-penised rapephant
| | | | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 57 on 7/10/2004 11:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Even if all the pictures are good, I see a gallery with 100 pictures in it, I tend to get bogged down in looking at them and just don't look at all.
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So?
Should the whole LDB be re-written so that you personally don't get intimidated by a large amount of pictures ???
Take a preview in thumbnail mode and if you don't like what you see then don't look. There is no reason to implement global changes that will impact everyone!
Look for the 'Photography' rating on the location as an indicator first - you might not want to look at all if it's say.. 3 or less??
If you don't want to look / can't be bothered / are not interested then fine.
Just my .02 and the way I view the LDB.
Chris...
[last edit 7/10/2004 11:55 AM by TurboZutek - edited 2 times]
We all had ostriches. My dad had an ostrich farm! I remember one day someone came in and said the high altitude bombing of Kosovo had been a limited success, so we all went out and celebrated… by killing an ostrich and boiling it in kiwi fruit. |
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HairyTheTaco
Location: The Hammer, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 58 on 7/10/2004 1:09 PM >
| | | | Is the problem that there are too many crappy pictures on the Location Database? Or is it that its becoming too expensive to have so many pictures on the Location Database?
If the problem is that there are too many crappy photos, and its not a money issue, then what I say is, dont change anything. However, if it is becoming a money issue, I suggest that you appoint a few moderators to deleate the obvious too dark, too blury, too pointless, and the repeats from the Location Database.
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MothMan
Noble Donor
Location: The Gem City
Gender: Male
If you didn't bring back any pictures with you then you obviously weren't there!
| | Re: Too Many Pictures in DB Locations
<Reply # 59 on 7/10/2004 1:56 PM >
| | | | I may as well just go to the source here...
Posted by Avatar-X
Alright, so there's too many pictures in a lot of DB locations. Sure, some locations are cool, but who has time to look at over 1,000 photos?
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Who has time to waste posting to this forum? The point has been well-made that if I spend any amount of time here at all, I call to question just how much of a "life" I have. Now if I take a few moments outta my life to wade through 427 posts on a thread before I reply, or... I hit a few galleries in the LDB that may have too many pix I don't want to see; what's the difference? No one is making you look at those 1,000 photos you'd rather not view, whether they are good quality or not.
Here is my proposed solution to this problem:
1. Each user may post one (1) gallery into a given location every 14 days. That means, if you post a gallery, you must wait at least 14 days before posting another one.
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So penalize me already for wanting to share my stuff. No matter how you slice it, you're taking away my opportunity to contribute when I want to.
2. Each gallery will be limited to 30 photos. Choose the best 30 that you have, and just upload those.
This should help with the problem of people just uploading all the photos right off their camera, even if they suck.
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It would.
But what's the real issue here, Av? Server space? O.K. then, make number limits (like you stated above), and make sure to implement an equitable method of deleting galleries also, to make room for newer ones. This ought to go over REAL well.
But if the crux of the matter is you're sick and tired of me dumping all 800 jpegs off my memory stick to the LDB, well then, address that.
* Discourage me from posting redundant photos in the same gallery; ones having basically identical composition.
* Dissuade me from uploading poor quality pix; ones that are clearly out of focus (not artsy, just poorly shot), or ones that are either over or under exposed (again, not artistically done, just error).
* And make sure to indicate your disdain when you determine my gallery is more or less a duplicate of somebody else's.
* Perhaps lastly, ask me what my major malfunction is that caused me to upload oodles of digital imagery you don't have time to view. (Might as well make me accountable for your time choices.)
I don't want to lose a point or two to sarcasm. You've not stated the problem is server space. The gripe seems to be more subjective than that. That means your solution will be somewhat less objective (like what I said above, about focus and exposure issues). Count the pro photographers on the forum. It took all of one paw, didn't it? I'm not pro, but I like what I share, and I'm still learning to take good pictures (technically AND artistically speaking). If you create a set of rules, nothing more than subjective limits, I'll likely give the LDB a skip.
This is not a photography forum, but an exploration one.
No question that world-class photography in the LDB would make it MUCH funner to go through, but I'd miss out on cool locations, because they were not photographed to standard. I don't want to miss out. I come here to see what I cannot view anywhere else.
No mod has time or inclination to monitor the LDB for picture quality. Better if I police myself when I upload. This is a free forum, if I make sure that what I share is the best I can do, no one can ask for more. Trouble is, my idea of "best" might be less than yours, and now your opinion will decide the matter.
If hard and fast rules are made for posting to the LDB, you're gonna get fewer photos and better quality. But I'd rather choose for myself what to view. I might want to see Joe's poorly exposed, slightly off focus, blob of a brewery. Even if 14 galleries already documented the place much better.
If there ain't no room for Joe's pic, then likely mine will get chopped next.
Make some rules if you feel you have to, but don't expect to necessarily come out ahead. And forget about making me responsible for what you don't want to see.
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