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post by blitz

The Bible or the Koran: Which Holy Book Is More Violent?
< on 2/28/2017 8:32 PM >

Pretty interesting read a friend passed along to me.

I came across this video posted by the Dutch comedic duo Dit Is Normaal.

They took the cover off of a Quran and wrapped it over the Bible, taking to the streets to read passages to random passersby. They then read aloud such passages as eating the flesh off your sons and daughters and cutting off a woman’s hand if she teaches, attributing them to Islam. The pedestrians recoiled in shock.

Video here: https://www.youtub...atch?v=zEnWw_lH4tQ

Article here: http://bigthink.co...nk_time=1488139638

The takeaway? They're both pretty fucked up books.

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post by splumer

Re: The Bible or the Koran: Which Holy Book Is More Violent?
<Reply # 1 on 3/1/2017 3:13 PM >

I'll watch it when I get more time, but this Psalm is my favorite: "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks."
Psalm 137:9

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post by NeuroticMatt

Re: The Bible or the Koran: Which Holy Book Is More Violent?
<Reply # 2 on 3/22/2017 8:12 PM >

I am unfamiliar with the Koran, and I am constantly working on familiarizing myself with the Bible.

There are a lot of verses in the Bible, as I am sure there are in the Koran, that are down right bizarre. Most of the time these verses should be taken in context, when were they written, who wrote them, what was being said. In many cases this helps understand what the writer was trying to convey.

You will eat the dead bodies of your sons. You will also eat the dead bodies of your daughters.(Leviticus 26:29)

Is included in a list of penalties for disobedience and turning away from God.

Suppose two men are fighting. And the wife of one of them comes to save her husband from his attacker. So she reaches out and grabs hold of his sex organs. Then you must cut off her hand. Don’t feel sorry for her.
(Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

In that time a man's lineage was of utmost importance, and a man's name (memory) was erased without heirs. Causing a man to be unable to have children was on the same level as murder. Plus, that really hurts!

I do not let women teach. I do not let them have authority over men. They must be quiet.
(1 Timothy 2:12)

In the biblical times men had roles of authority. They were the teachers and the leaders. In the ancient world women relied on men for everything. If a woman became a widow and had no one to take care of her she was in a hard spot.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
(Psalm 137:9)

Since you brought this one up. This particular Psalm was written to express despair during the Babylonian exile. Verse 9 is the author taking joy in the thoughts of vengeance against the Babylonians.

I am not saying that there are not some verses that will make a person, myself included, say "Whaaaaaaaat?"

There is far more that I do not understand than I do, but usually a little research helps at least clear up the context of the writing. In these cases, the Bible is not instructing us to go smash babies on the rocks, or cut off woman's hands, or eat our kids.

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Re: The Bible or the Koran: Which Holy Book Is More Violent?
<Reply # 3 on 3/22/2017 9:14 PM >

Posted by NeuroticMatt
I am unfamiliar with the Koran, and I am constantly working on familiarizing myself with the Bible.

There are a lot of verses in the Bible, as I am sure there are in the Koran, that are down right bizarre. Most of the time these verses should be taken in context, when were they written, who wrote them, what was being said. In many cases this helps understand what the writer was trying to convey.

You will eat the dead bodies of your sons. You will also eat the dead bodies of your daughters.(Leviticus 26:29)

Is included in a list of penalties for disobedience and turning away from God.

Suppose two men are fighting. And the wife of one of them comes to save her husband from his attacker. So she reaches out and grabs hold of his sex organs. Then you must cut off her hand. Don’t feel sorry for her.
(Deuteronomy 25:11-12)

In that time a man's lineage was of utmost importance, and a man's name (memory) was erased without heirs. Causing a man to be unable to have children was on the same level as murder. Plus, that really hurts!

I do not let women teach. I do not let them have authority over men. They must be quiet.
(1 Timothy 2:12)

In the biblical times men had roles of authority. They were the teachers and the leaders. In the ancient world women relied on men for everything. If a woman became a widow and had no one to take care of her she was in a hard spot.

Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.
(Psalm 137:9)

Since you brought this one up. This particular Psalm was written to express despair during the Babylonian exile. Verse 9 is the author taking joy in the thoughts of vengeance against the Babylonians.

I am not saying that there are not some verses that will make a person, myself included, say "Whaaaaaaaat?"

There is far more that I do not understand than I do, but usually a little research helps at least clear up the context of the writing. In these cases, the Bible is not instructing us to go smash babies on the rocks, or cut off woman's hands, or eat our kids.

The bible is a book of parables meant to teach... not rule.

Yes, well...

The Myth:Muslim apologists sometimes claim that the root word of Islam is “al-Salaam,” which is "peace" in Arabic.

The Truth:An Arabic word has only one root. The root word for Islam is “al-Silm,” which means “submission” or “surrender.” There is no disagreement about this among Arabic or Islamic scholars. al-Silm (submission) does not mean the same thing as al-Salaam (peace), otherwise they would be the same word.

Submission and peace can be very different concepts, even if a form of peace can be brought about by forcing others into submission. As the modern-day Islamic scholar, Ibrahim Sulaiman, puts it, "Jihad is not inhumane, despite its necessary violence and bloodshed, its ultimate desire is peace which is protected and enhanced by the rule of law."

In truth, the Quran not only calls Muslims to submit to Allah, it also orders them to subduepeople of other religions until they are in a full state of submission to Islamic rule. This has inspired the aggressive history of Islam and its military and demographic success in conquering other cultures.

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post by Soldat

Re: The Bible or the Koran: Which Holy Book Is More Violent?
<Reply # 4 on 1/19/2018 5:12 AM >

Probably the one whose readers are throwing gays off of roofs and bombing each-other daily.

Just a blind guess.

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