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WeAllFallDown
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< on 6/20/2007 12:05 AM >
|  | | | Hello, kiddos. I'm new to this board and faiiirly new to the hobby. I've done an abandoned amusement park and an ancient old camper/trailer that I found in the woods. In the case of the amusement park, the doors were welded shut and all windows were boarded very firmly, so I was able to tour the grounds, but not to enter any of the buildings, which was quite disappointing. The camper/trailer just happened to be unlocked, so that one was simple.
Anyway. Back to the point of my post. How do you go about gaining entry to a location? What are your boundaries? That is, will you break windows, locks, etc. in order to gain entry? Crowbar, bump key, etc? I'm not comfortable "breaking in", which implies damaging the location, not only because of the legal repercussions, but because of my ethical views about this hobby.
In short, do you have any tips and tricks on how to enter a locked building?
Thank you for any help!
P.S. I'm extremely tired. Hence the rambling and the big words. Yes. My vocabulary increases when I'm sleepy.
P.P.S. Excuse my "tone".
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Glass
       
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as one does
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<Reply # 1 on 6/20/2007 12:11 AM >
| | | | First you have to transform into a Super Saiyan.
Sorry for the sarcasm, but I don't like the tone of your post (kiddos?!).
HAVE A GR8 DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and nice vocabulary. Was "repercussions" or "comfortable" the big word?
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WeAllFallDown
location:
Chicago, IL
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 2 on 6/20/2007 12:58 AM >
| | | | LOL, Okay. I'm so sorry for my tone.
Oh, and the fact that your big words are bigger than mine.
:/ Come back when you have something useful to say.
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zmuh11
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 3 on 6/20/2007 1:10 AM >
| | | | Be creative
and BTW don't edit your posts, it be against the rules 
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WeAllFallDown
location:
Chicago, IL
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 4 on 6/20/2007 1:16 AM >
| | | | Thanks, zmuh. That rule temporarily slipped my mind. Just like Rule #8 must have slipped Glass's mind.
Oh, well.
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hydrotherapy
 
Clever Girl
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Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
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<Reply # 5 on 6/20/2007 1:19 AM >
| | | | Tug on doors. Lots of doors. Some doors are just stuck when you think they're locked. Some doors you would assume would be locked are not, and often you only find this out only after climbing through some window and getting glass in your knees.
In short- never assume anything is locked until you try. Everything else is circumstantial, but when in doubt- climb. You're far less likely to find locks on a second story than you are on the ground floor.
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WeAllFallDown
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Gender: Female
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<Reply # 6 on 6/20/2007 1:24 AM >
| | | | Hydro, that reminds me of my great aunt's house...her garage door was always locked. You could yank on it all you want, but the handle never turned in all the years that I visited her and she hadn't had a key in years. But. All you had to do was bump the door with your hip and it would magically pop open. 
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Free Baller
location:
New Jerssey
Gender: Male
I have a friend in Jesus. Seriously, Jesus ate my friend. It was horrible.
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<Reply # 7 on 6/20/2007 2:26 AM >
| | | | Most the time a door is open if not bring a screw driver your bound to find a way in taking shit apart or smash a window.
Trying to win hearts and minds, but willing to splatter them if neccesary.
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don_corleyone
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F/RoX
Gender: Male
I have abandonment issues
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<Reply # 8 on 6/20/2007 2:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by hydrotherapy
Tug on doors....Some doors are just stuck when you think they're locked...
...when in doubt- climb. You're far less likely to find locks on a second story than you are on the ground floor.
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i agree w/ hydro. pigs are flying and there's a snowball fight happening in hades. how weird!
j/k. she's right.
tug on doors. front, back, side. windows. ground floor, basement, second story, etc.
some locked doors are easy to "persuade" open. but the older and longer disused the building, the easier it'll be to find a way in.
i've never broken ANYTHING to get into a locked building. if you think hard enough, outside the box if you have to, you'll find the way.
oh, tip: double doors. 90% of the time it's only the knob and deadbolt that are locked (the door isn't bolted to the jamb). tug HARD. open sesame.
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leave the gun. take the cannoli.
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Shawn W.
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Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
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<Reply # 9 on 6/20/2007 3:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by zmuh11
Be creative
and BTW don't edit your posts, it be against the rules |
Editing posts isn't against the rules, however, completely removing or significantly altering the content is.
Now, to answer the OP's question, actually breaking things to get in is not considered kosher. If you absolutely have to smash a window, break down a door, etc. to gain access, you should really just leave it alone. The only time that it's really acceptable to do the aforementioned stuff is if you get locked IN while you're there, and there's no way out. With that said, try avoiding situations where breaking out is likely to become necessary.
As for things that are acceptable, bump keys fall into that territory, but crowbars do not. As blackhawk likes reminding all of us, it doesn't take much to get charged with breaking & entering instead of just simple trespassing.
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<Reply # 10 on 6/20/2007 3:57 AM >
| | | | There are lots of threads that cover the debate on this issue....just look around these forums and u will find them.........
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propaganda
location:
Olympia
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 11 on 6/20/2007 4:15 AM >
| | | | this is the kind of thing you have to figure out yourself through trail and error. go explore something.
A.C.A.B.
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Twitter
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Bridgewater, NJ
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 12 on 6/20/2007 4:44 AM >
| | | | I agree with tugging really hard on doors, even ones that seem like they should be locked. I climbed in a third floor window because I pulled on the front door and it didn't move. By the time I got up and into the window, my mom was waiting on the staircase for me, she tugged real hard and the front door opened. Heh.
Personally, I draw the line at breaking things. It doesn't seem right to me to break a door or window to get in.
Edited because I have poor grammar.
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blackhawk
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UER newbie
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<Reply # 13 on 6/20/2007 6:37 AM >
| | | | Posted by WeAllFallDown
LOL, Okay. I'm so sorry for my tone.
Oh, and the fact that your big words are bigger than mine.
:/ Come back when you have something useful to say.
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I'll back Mr. Glass up on this one... when your first posting here is a thorny ethics Q, the real question is what do you want?
Crow bars, bump keys and you have ethics too,
just all wide eyed and innocent, what do I do now...
For the record; pulling real hard on a door until it opens
is called B&E, a felony.
If you damage a structure to get in, you went too far.
Now your a vandal, not an explorer.
Each situation is different, but you should first learn the penal codes for that area,
if you already haven't.
A truly abandoned building is rarely locked up tight, and trespassing by it's self is not a felony crime, and in many cases it's a municipal offense.
However in the US, personal property, and the right to privacy are fundamental rights.
Respect others and yourself; break nothing, take nothing, and leave only footprints.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Azubi.UK
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UK / KSA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 14 on 6/20/2007 4:33 PM >
| | | | Do what the fuck you want. You are the one who will have to live with any decision you make and take the consequences should any arise.
Usually there is a way in if you look hard enough without you having to resort to illegal methods of entry. I have always found a way in or just walked away but then that is just me. Some, even those spouting that "Take only photos, leave only footprints" bollocks, are guilty of kicking in doors and ripping off boards. That is there choice. Just like you have a choice.
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 15 on 6/20/2007 4:41 PM >
| | | | I call up a local vandal and have them bust something open for me.
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 16 on 6/20/2007 9:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by Azubi.UK
Do what the fuck you want. You are the one who will have to live with any decision you make and take the consequences should any arise.
Usually there is a way in if you look hard enough without you having to resort to illegal methods of entry. I have always found a way in or just walked away but then that is just me. Some, even those spouting that "Take only photos, leave only footprints" bollocks, are guilty of kicking in doors and ripping off boards. That is there choice. Just like you have a choice.
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Ba-ha-ha-ha-ha!
You read my mind!
Shaped charged HE's are the pro way to get in, quick
I hate waiting...
I've learned long ago that few places require the use B&E to see; asking permission and others alternatives exist, or will become available in the near future if your persistent.
Some places you won't see; there's plenty more out there.
No site or hobby is worth a felony rap sheet as far as I'm concerned.
Even being charged and not convicted can easily run into the thousands of dollars. Jail time and cost exceeding $5 grand are not uncommon for felony convictions associated with B&E in the US.
No matter how perfectly you plan something, something can, and eventually does go wrong.
If your habitually committing felony property crimes, expect that you will be caught.
Limit your maximum liability to something you can live with; a felony conviction follows you for life, and limits your freedom, living and career options as well.
Posted by micro
I call up a local vandal and have them bust something open for me.
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That is pretty most the truth to it too.
There's no need to force your way in; hell-bent explorers, vandals and looters are usually fairly quick to open sealed unused structures.
Simply wait and watch, and many times you can simply walk in. As I said before most truly abandoned places are accessible without the use of force.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Hi/Po
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 6/21/2007 1:21 AM >
| | | | Micro makes an interesting point. How can you condemn vandalism yet rely on entry points which are too often created by vandals?
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 18 on 6/21/2007 2:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Hi/Po
Micro makes an interesting point. How can you condemn vandalism yet rely on entry points which are too often created by vandals?
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Learn US law. Trespassing by itself is not necessarily a crime.
B&E and vandalism most certainly are. You are what you do.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Hi/Po
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 6/21/2007 2:50 AM >
| | | | This is issue is more than just concerning the law.
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