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<Reply # 20 on 6/21/2007 3:10 AM >
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This is issue is more than just concerning the law.
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Hardly. The law is the written word of the people.
What's left, god?
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Contagion
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 6/21/2007 3:46 AM >
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Hardly. The law is the written word of the people.
What's left, god?
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Thanks, officer dick.
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It's all opinion. Some people are against B&E, others aren't.
Some people own crowbars, lock picking sets, and so on, others are against them.
Some people just need to go out and figure things out on their own.
If you don't have a problem with ripping a board off of the side of a building, fucking up a lock, bending a door frame, or smashing a window or two, then that's you. Just don't say i told you to do it. 
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<Reply # 22 on 6/21/2007 4:16 AM >
| | | | Personally I am fine with using lock picks to get into an interesting building: No damage to the building, everything as you left it. The only drawback is what happens if you get caught. Thats why you only do it to secluded buildings at 3 in the morning.
-Tom
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Contagion
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<Reply # 23 on 6/21/2007 4:28 AM >
| | | | Everyone's always talking about getting caught.
My theory is if you don't talk about it, it won't happen.
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<Reply # 24 on 6/21/2007 4:31 AM >
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Thanks, officer dick.
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It's all opinion. Some people are against B&E, others aren't.
Some people own crowbars, lock picking sets, and so on, others are against them.
Some people just need to go out and figure things out on their own.
If you don't have a problem with ripping a board off of the side of a building, fucking up a lock, bending a door frame, or smashing a window or two, then that's you. Just don't say i told you to do it.
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Sure thing citizen worthless.
The law isn't opinions; it's black and white with grayish borders.
Anyone who advocates committing felony crimes as a hobby is a 1 second wack job.
Most here don't.
Yeah, don't say you took some nimrod's advice from the web, do your homework: I did.
You gonna help them with the $1.2 grand criminal attorney retainer fee Contagion?
That's for starters, with no conviction for a B&E charge, but it will probable run much higher.
If your convicted, your fucked. Do check out how bad it will bone you.
Carrying B&E tools especially lock picks is just brilliant, and far more serious than mere trespassing.
Amateur lock pickers fuck up locks too, so don't give me that shit about causing no damage, let alone your using force entry.
All felonies, just to look?
Posted by Contagion
Everyone's always talking about getting caught.
My theory is if you don't talk about it, it won't happen.
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More bad science.
The odds even things out.
Many of the people who got tagged here weren't novices.
Shit happens to everyone, and if your shit is weak when it happens, it gets expensive.
Cops find B&E tools on you, then will hammer you.
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Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Contagion
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Phila., PA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 6/21/2007 4:41 AM >
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Sure thing citizen worthless.
The law isn't opinions; it's black and white with grayish borders.
Anyone who advocates committing felony crimes as a hobby is a 1 second wack job.
Most here don't.
Yeah, don't say you took some nimrod's advice from the web, do your homework: I did.
You gonna help them with the $1.2 grand criminal attorney retainer fee Contagion?
That's for starters, with no conviction for a B&E charge, but it will probable run much higher.
If your convicted, your fucked. Do check out how bad it will bone you.
Carrying B&E tools especially lock picks is just brilliant, and far more serious than mere trespassing.
Amateur lock pickers fuck up locks too, so don't give me that shit about causing no damage, let alone your using force entry.
All felonies, just to look?
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I never said outright if i did or didn't advocate B&E. Read more closely, you shit-for-brains nimrod. 
Just to look? I actually take photos. Also, i'll be taking that to college. And might i add, i sell my prints and make money. For you to make assumptions and say that i'm just looking is beyond dumb.
You're pretty slow for someone who is as familiar with hand lotion and google image search as you are.
I won't take it farther than this, as i'm not looking to ruin this person's threads. Feel free to PM me and we'll discuss further. However, from what i've heard, you're too much of a coward to PM someone. That's right, i said it.
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Contagion
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<Reply # 26 on 6/21/2007 4:45 AM >
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... then will hammer you.
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I bet you'd like that, you pervert.
I think you meant to use the word, "they", by the way.
You should either check your monitor, or get your eyes checked. I think all of those knuckle children are starting to catch up with you.
Sorry, i couldn't resist.
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eoghan
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<Reply # 27 on 6/21/2007 4:58 AM >
| | | | wow, such controversy
eoghan
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag and begin slitting throats... -H.L. Mencken
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<Reply # 28 on 6/21/2007 5:19 AM >
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I bet you'd like that, you pervert.
I think you meant to use the word, "they", by the way.
You should either check your monitor, or get your eyes checked. I think all of those knuckle children are starting to catch up with you.
Sorry, i couldn't resist.
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Obviously, you can't resist.
A type error isn't gonna break my bank.
Content is more important.
Perhaps you don't know the definition of pervert.
You have attempted to flame me with vulgarity and your perverted sense of law and exploring. Pervert defines you well.
Don't use big words that you don't comprehend.
Ummm, I'm more a sadist with those I don't like, and I live in the shadows.
Strange sounds don't work with me; I go towards them...
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Contagion
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 29 on 6/21/2007 11:49 AM >
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Obviously, you can't resist.
A type error isn't gonna break my bank.
Content is more important.
Perhaps you don't know the definition of pervert.
You have attempted to flame me with vulgarity and your perverted sense of law and exploring. Pervert defines you well.
Don't use big words that you don't comprehend.
Ummm, I'm more a sadist with those I don't like, and I live in the shadows.
Strange sounds don't work with me; I go towards them...
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Yeah, you do live in the shadows.
Do you even explore?
I'm done here.
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true_infinity
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Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male
Jerk of the Year
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<Reply # 30 on 6/21/2007 1:25 PM >
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Some doors you would assume would be locked are not,
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That one rang true for me and another rockford denizen a week ago or so.
We were scouting a complex that's on a rather busy commercial vein, and just as a force of habit a gave a rowdy tug on a street side door, and the damn thing was unlocked.
Securely sealed buildings are a plague out here, half of the city is left abandoned and derelict, but the city boards/locks/chains/welds shut anything it can. We have do a lot of scouting out here, and likewise, a lot of tugging on boards/doors/gates/windows, whatever...just to see what may be loose or unlocked.
We don't see a lot of new people out in the chicago area, it's nice to see one pop up every now and again. Welcome!
~b
Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing. |
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<Reply # 31 on 6/21/2007 3:43 PM >
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I'm done here.
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yeah, I'd say so.
Posted by true_infinity
That one rang true for me and another rockford denizen a week ago or so.
We were scouting a complex that's on a rather busy commercial vein, and just as a force of habit a gave a rowdy tug on a street side door, and the damn thing was unlocked.
Securely sealed buildings are a plague out here, half of the city is left abandoned and derelict, but the city boards/locks/chains/welds shut anything it can. We have do a lot of scouting out here, and likewise, a lot of tugging on boards/doors/gates/windows, whatever...just to see what may be loose or unlocked.
We don't see a lot of new people out in the chicago area, it's nice to see one pop up every now and again. Welcome!
~b
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It's not that the technique is flawed as for finding unlocked doors, it's more the end results.
More than one person here has been charged for B&E for doing little more than opening an unlocked door.
Even if you are aren't found guilty, the attorney fees will be substantial.
Cops know this.
If the owner is someone that cares, you got problems. Big problems.
Active businesses and inhabited residential areas particularly are best to avoid, this includes where there are squatters. If you insist on going where they're living, you best show respect, or you may find that they as much rights as a home owner to privacy and have multiple felonies hanging over you.
If cops think your intent was to burglarize, or commit other property crimes, or to assault occupants, they will almost certainly lean on you hard.
A shotgun blast for a owner or employee could also be your reward. More people pack then you might think.
All I'm saying is just because you can do you it, doesn't mean you should. There are plenty of abandoned places were this sort of trouble isn't going to be an issue if all your doing is exploring.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Furious D
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Northern Ontario
Gender: Male
The Night Time is the Right Time
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<Reply # 32 on 6/21/2007 7:27 PM >
| | | | Well.. this thread has taken some interesting turns. Like blackhawk said though, do your homework. Some people/areas are more relaxed toward trespassing, and others will try and pin any possible charge on your ass. Make sure you know the place, and the surrounding people. Every situation is different so know what you're doing.
For me, if a door doesn't open on a tug or shove, or if a window will not open with gentle force, leave it alone and look for another entry point. I will occasionally un-screw something to gain access, but never pull nails out. I also never piss around with locks because I don't know enough about how they operate to be able to open one without wrecking it.
"The time of getting fame for your name on its own is over. Artwork that is only about wanting to be famous will never make you famous. Fame is a by-product of doing something else. You don't go to a restaurant and order a meal because you want to have a shit."
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<Reply # 33 on 8/24/2007 1:23 PM >
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Hardly. The law is the written word of the people.
What's left, god?
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There's a pretty big difference between the law and personal ethics.
My biggest tip for getting in would be to check boards if no door is open; More than once i've found a board that was only half nailed in that I could just swing open to get in through windows. Also, a little climbing can go a long way.
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CaptOrbit
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Sarasota, FL or Cincinnati, OH
Gender: Male
There you are, right back in the jungle again.
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<Reply # 34 on 8/26/2007 7:00 PM >
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Well.. this thread has taken some interesting turns. Like blackhawk said though, do your homework. Some people/areas are more relaxed toward trespassing, and others will try and pin any possible charge on your ass. Make sure you know the place, and the surrounding people. Every situation is different so know what you're doing.
For me, if a door doesn't open on a tug or shove, or if a window will not open with gentle force, leave it alone and look for another entry point. I will occasionally un-screw something to gain access, but never pull nails out. I also never piss around with locks because I don't know enough about how they operate to be able to open one without wrecking it. |
I'm 100% in agreement here. This is the way some things should be done.
blackhawk is also right, however some folks here just seem to want to disagree with him (they also seem to want to rather vulgar and crass about too) just because, I don't know, fighting with blackhawk seems to be the "kewl" thing for all the young rebels to do.
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Also very true
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<Reply # 35 on 8/26/2007 7:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Emolite
There's a pretty big difference between the law and personal ethics.
My biggest tip for getting in would be to check boards if no door is open; More than once i've found a board that was only half nailed in that I could just swing open to get in through windows. Also, a little climbing can go a long way.
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The property laws are based on time honored principals (criminal law), not one person's concept of right or wrong (personal ethics). That's what I mean.
http://en.wikipedi.../wiki/Criminal_law
I try to keep encounters with cops and property owners survivable, because sooner or latter you run into them.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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manitou
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Gender: Male
I was born with an inherent knowledge of every abandonment in the world!
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<Reply # 36 on 8/26/2007 9:28 PM >
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Don't use big words that you don't comprehend.
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Someone who still cannot differentiate between "your" and "you're" should not be advising others against using big words.
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Shr-eddie
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Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 8/27/2007 12:26 AM >
| | | | Everyone has their 'morals' mine are: depending on how badly I want to explore a place, I would perform a BnE something like taking a board down, however I would place it up again for other explorers and so the security wouldn't be tightened to welds.
I suggest not taking any incriminating tools though, for example my friend had the stupid idea to bring a crowbar to this powerplant. While we were leaving a security car drove up and saw the crowbar in his hand and asked if it was his and he just said he found it. We were lucky all they did was take it away.(Then again the security car reeked of freshly smoked bud)
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<Reply # 38 on 8/27/2007 1:58 AM >
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Hardly. The law is the written word of the people.
What's left, god?
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God, don't get metaphysical, eh! It's already too complicated around here for some ppl!
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<Reply # 39 on 8/27/2007 2:09 AM >
| | | | OK heres my 2 cents...
We have a strong belief in using common sense. Sounds silly I know but nine times out of ten the one thing you forget to notice or a detail of your surrounding that looks odd or random , might be the one thing that bites you in your ass.
And dont ever let yourself feel pressured into a location ie...(OMG so-n-so was there now I have to get in)
If your not doing it for yourself or you feel the slightest bit uneasy, simple, dont do it! Theres nothing wrong with leaving, doing more homework, and returning to a location smarter.
There are plenty of times I've felt it needed to visit a spot first before developing any kind of plan and returning another time.
Fear is a good thing, its a very powerful motivator, and will keep you safe at times.
I dont think anyone can argue about the law of this subject.
We can agree it isn't UE friendly, so avoid it by any means.
Of course I am Paranoid? , so maybe Im just bein scurred.
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