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<Reply # 20 on 8/5/2006 12:05 AM >
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Only trouble is the camera in the motion detector grabbed your image. That same camera can be monitored real time by zone sensitive software.
That's better than "why am I posting here?" isn't it mattsb2000? End transmission.
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I didn't realize that there was a camera in said motion detector.
Ohh, I fond your comments in that thread amusing. I should have mentioned that in my reply there but I didn't want to join the shitfest. :p
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<Reply # 21 on 8/5/2006 12:19 AM >
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I didn't realize that there was a camera in said motion detector.
Ohh, I fond your comments in that thread amusing. I should have mentioned that in my reply there but I didn't want to join the shitfest. :p
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That's how many cameras are now hidden, the unit serve a dual function, and it gets worse.
I've been playing with these units, and it's interesting to see how people try to defeat them. Next time I set up a system I will keep this in mind. Your tactic is as old barbed wire. If I kept getting false alarms from a well setup system, I would intensify the security, and expect trouble.
Yes you did want to join in on that "shitfest" because you posted there, but nothing of merit.
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<Reply # 22 on 8/5/2006 12:35 AM >
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That's how many cameras are now hidden, the unit serve a dual function, and it gets worse.
I've been playing with these units, and it's interesting to see how people try to defeat them. Next time I set up a system I will keep this in mind. Your tactic is as old barbed wire. If I kept getting false alarms from a well setup system, I would intensify the security, and expect trouble. |
Like I said I didn't know about the cameras.
Tape works on the old shitty ones without cameras.  (that may or may not be as old as barbed wire)
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Yes you did want to join in on that "shitfest" because you posted there, but nothing of merit.
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I was exploring other areas. 
Are you this negative in real life?
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<Reply # 23 on 8/5/2006 12:48 AM >
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Like I said I didn't know about the cameras.
Tape works on the old shitty ones without cameras. (that may or may not be as old as barbed wire)
I was exploring other areas.
Are you this negative in real life?
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Don't be silly, you ought to know gators bite. I never was too keen on alarm busting posts, lock picking, etc. It attracts attention, and shouldn't be the focus of exploring abandonments. That knowledge is readily available if one really wants it.
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<Reply # 24 on 8/5/2006 1:05 AM >
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Don't be silly, you ought to know gators bite. I never was too keen on alarm busting posts, lock picking, etc. It attracts attention, and shouldn't be the focus of exploring abandonments. That knowledge is readily available if one really wants it.
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I agree.
Have a nice evening.
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<Reply # 25 on 8/5/2006 1:10 AM >
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I agree.
Have a nice evening.
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I like your wallpaper.
Have a good evening as well.
peace.
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<Reply # 26 on 8/5/2006 3:27 AM >
|  | | | Well...Who am i? That's not important. Why is that my 1st post? Because i want to be somewhere i'm not supposed to be and is that not the point of this site? I will post it if it works out.
How effective is the maglite technique? And would it set the alarm off when it was moved off of the detector? I dont just want to get there and stand in place. I will also read up on the other thread for other techniques.
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<Reply # 27 on 8/5/2006 3:30 AM >
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hey I have one of those
but with the full stock
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<Reply # 28 on 8/5/2006 3:55 AM >
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Like I said I didn't know about the cameras.
Tape works on the old shitty ones without cameras. (that may or may not be as old as barbed wire)
I was exploring other areas.
Are you this negative in real life?
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And No not ALL motion sensors have cameras wired up or into them.
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<Reply # 29 on 8/5/2006 4:01 AM >
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hey I have one of those
but with the full stock
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Excellent security system Nick.
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<Reply # 30 on 8/10/2006 11:40 PM >
| | | | Well, I know a bit about motion sensors and the like, so I will wade in here for a bit.
PIR- super easy, grab a roll of phasing tape (colored electrical tape) the color of the lense, and wide enough to cover the whole lense. If you do it right it will not be noticeable at all. It will of course be going nuts while this is being done, but will be blind afterwards.
Another untested method would be to blind it with a powerful IR source, such as an illuminator for a night vision system.
Active Infra red, Same as above. Blinding it with IR, won't work though. It will actually trigger it even with nothing around.
Final thoughts about IR. Ir detectors vary widely in their sensitivity to different colors and the like. Certain clothes might lessen their ability to pick you up, but nothing really spectacular.
Microwave. Microwave could be disabled with a grounded piece of aluminum tape applied to the cover just in front of the wave guide. Once again it would go off while this was being done and would stick out like a sore thumb.
Microwave is tricky since it can be mounted out of sight. They can see right through drywall and drop ceilings. These are kina rare though. You could set one off and never know it was there. There is an easy method to determine if any are present.
Get an old fuzzbuster/radar detector (or whatever you want to call it) and power it off of batteries. The reason this works is that they work on nearly the same frequencies as the old police radar systems.(although at much less power) This is why they will give false alarms every time you drive past a department store with old electric doors.
Last but not least all this is provided as a curiosity only.
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<Reply # 31 on 8/11/2006 12:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by GoodSam
Well, I know a bit about motion sensors and the like, so I will wade in here for a bit.
PIR- super easy, grab a roll of phasing tape (colored electrical tape) the color of the lense, and wide enough to cover the whole lense. If you do it right it will not be noticeable at all. It will of course be going nuts while this is being done, but will be blind afterwards.
Another untested method would be to blind it with a powerful IR source, such as an illuminator for a night vision system.
Active Infra red, Same as above. Blinding it with IR, won't work though. It will actually trigger it even with nothing around.
Final thoughts about IR. Ir detectors vary widely in their sensitivity to different colors and the like. Certain clothes might lessen their ability to pick you up, but nothing really spectacular.
Microwave. Microwave could be disabled with a grounded piece of aluminum tape applied to the cover just in front of the wave guide. Once again it would go off while this was being done and would stick out like a sore thumb.
Microwave is tricky since it can be mounted out of sight. They can see right through drywall and drop ceilings. These are kina rare though. You could set one off and never know it was there. There is an easy method to determine if any are present.
Get an old fuzzbuster/radar detector (or whatever you want to call it) and power it off of batteries. The reason this works is that they work on nearly the same frequencies as the old police radar systems.(although at much less power) This is why they will give false alarms every time you drive past a department store with old electric doors.
Last but not least all this is provided as a curiosity only.
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IR blast will trip a zoned IR sensor, just as hot air drafts can.
It sees thermal energy, not clothing color, although some materials are more translucent to IR.
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<Reply # 32 on 8/11/2006 12:46 AM >
| | | | | It sees thermal energy, not clothing color, although some materials are more translucent to IR. |
In theory I agree with you, however there are some generic sensors out there.
I do know of at least one product that was nearly oblivious to people in certain colors of clothing. If you turned up the sensitivity, so that it would work right, it was constantly giving false alarms.
At any rate, I said it was "nothing spectacular". Or in other words, it doesnt make much of a difference, but was included as a curiosity.
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<Reply # 33 on 8/11/2006 1:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
IR blast will trip a zoned IR sensor, just as hot air drafts can.
It sees thermal energy, not clothing color, although some materials are more translucent to IR.
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Unless that is of course you had the IR blast consistently ongoing before the system was 'armed'
And of course, how many people have IR thermal blasters, and can make them and place them by PIR sensors without anyone else going, gee thats odd.
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<Reply # 34 on 8/11/2006 1:13 AM >
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Staying behind a large object, such as a filing cabinet on wheels, as you roll by the sensor, can work.
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I did some research on this, and this is not a good possibility to toy with, if the object moving across the sensors field of view and is giving off a the same IR signal than that in which the sensor is viewing, it can most definitely set it off. And 9 times of out 10 it will, ok I should say 99 out of 100 times it will. It is theoretically possible, and frankly AV im amazed you did it, thats pretty cool. It also depends on the sensor as well.
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<Reply # 35 on 8/11/2006 1:13 AM >
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Unless that is of course you had the IR blast consistently ongoing before the system was 'armed'
And of course, how many people have IR thermal blasters, and can make them and place them by PIR sensors without anyone else going, gee thats odd.
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Zoned. "zoned IR sensor" It's odd your on my tail. Again.
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<Reply # 36 on 8/11/2006 2:21 AM >
| | | | wait what? Im not disagreeing with you at all? Im saying gee thats odd as a figure of speech towards what i was saying in my sentence. Like if you saw some kind of device near a sensor, gee thats odd?
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<Reply # 37 on 8/11/2006 3:21 AM >
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wait what? Im not disagreeing with you at all? Im saying gee thats odd as a figure of speech towards what i was saying in my sentence. Like if you saw some kind of device near a sensor, gee thats odd?
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My mistake;I see what your saying. My apologies. That would work if it saturated the sensor above the ambient IR before it armed, or slowly if armed. There are other flaws to PIRs. I think they need to be totally hidden; wall socket would be a good spot.
I like smart camera technoloy that the parameters are set by the installer using multiple cameras with overlapping coverage. You gave me an idea, and I wonder if there's a patent for tamperproof smart camera triggered alarms.
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<Reply # 38 on 8/12/2006 8:09 PM >
| | | | I think a ninja suit would work perfectly in this situation. Seriously how many people here can say they actually NEED to know how to bypass these sensors? My guess is the ones asking don't get out much anyway. I don't encounter much Mission Impossible crap while I'm out. FYI not all sensors are equal, the ones at a shop I used to work at could be fucked with easily. But you had to try and try again to find out exactly the area they could actually see. And yes walking vers slow you could get right under the sensor, whereas walking at a normal pace you would set it off. But who has that kind of time while exploring? Flashlight thread.
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<Reply # 39 on 8/14/2006 7:06 PM >
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I think a ninja suit would work perfectly in this situation. Seriously how many people here can say they actually NEED to know how to bypass these sensors? My guess is the ones asking don't get out much anyway. I don't encounter much Mission Impossible crap while I'm out. FYI not all sensors are equal, the ones at a shop I used to work at could be fucked with easily. But you had to try and try again to find out exactly the area they could actually see. And yes walking vers slow you could get right under the sensor, whereas walking at a normal pace you would set it off. But who has that kind of time while exploring? Flashlight thread.
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Personally I can think of at least 3 targets alarmed via motion detectors. I find the information in this thread and the others very useful indeed.
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