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melivorous
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< on 4/26/2006 11:42 PM >
|  | | | is there no way to just get permission to enter abandoned sites?
don't movie studios do it all the time?
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FZRaven
  
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Vermont
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 1 on 4/27/2006 12:23 AM >
|  | | | Ya, movie studios do it all the time. They also have big fat wads of cash they toss around. If you are and established photographer you stand a better chance of getting in, other then that you can try but you will get turned down 90% of the time.
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grit1
 
location:
University Campus - Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Got Shear Line?
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<Reply # 2 on 4/27/2006 12:31 AM >
| | | | Have you ever had the thought that maybe to find out the answer to a question, you should maybe try an experiment?
Step 1: find an abandonment
Step 2: find said abandonments' owner
Step 3: Offer beer to owner, or equivalent show of good faith
Step 4: Explore!
Or just infiltrate the damn thing.
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melivorous
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<Reply # 3 on 4/27/2006 3:47 AM >
| | | | sure, it would be expensive to rent out a building, stop its business to shoot, but in the case of abandoned buildings these no money thats being lost.
companies rent out space in abandoned buildings, for many years, how expensive can a film permit be?
Obviously, none of you have simply tried.
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Glass
   
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Chicago
as one does
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<Reply # 4 on 4/27/2006 6:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by melivorous
Obviously, none of you have simply tried.
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Excuse you?
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Alestrial
location:
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
Gender: Male
<Arc_Tangent> I crown you prince of pears!
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<Reply # 5 on 4/27/2006 2:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by melivorous
Obviously, none of you have simply tried.
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Ummmm it isnt that ez in the fact that I am 16 and i dont look like a business man, and i cannot offer beer that it isnt legal for me to buy.
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bekapants
location:
the queen city, new hampshire
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 6 on 4/27/2006 2:50 PM >
| | | | in a few rare cases ou can go to the city or town historical society and get an 'escort' and claim that you're just a college student that is doing a project or whatever. this can take almost a month to get the proper authorities to grant you access...and you pretty much have to go in alone with the escort at some wierd time. usually they want copies of what photos you print for archives in case of damage or whatnot.
also, another idea for perimeter and up-close shots of buildings that are abandoned or on private property: i work for a sign company doing graphic design and sometimes i do surveys of property that has been purchased for quotes on how they are going to go about renovating for the proper signage. this won't work on going inside though, and you've got to have the equipment to prove your excuse on why you're out there in the first place...pretty much a tape measure, cell phone and notebook work and you can't spend too much time around the place but the cops and security usually won't bother you if you actually use a legit sign or surveying company. if they start to call someone though to check on it, get the fuck out -- or just say you're looking for leads on future jobs just incase the owner is looking to renovate soon.
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 7 on 4/27/2006 4:37 PM >
| | | | Depends on the site, but YES you can get permission to take pic on some cool sites. If it's being torn down, or remodeled many times talking to the site foreman will work. Be sincere, and present yourself in a positive way.
[last edit 4/27/2006 4:41 PM by blackhawk - edited 1 times]
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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nobody
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VANCOUVER B.C.
Gender: Male
5:55 is a state of mind
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<Reply # 8 on 4/27/2006 5:03 PM >
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And you? N.
Operating Entirely With Bad Intentions |
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Explorer Zero
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<Reply # 9 on 4/27/2006 9:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by melivorous
is there no way to just get permission to enter abandoned sites?
don't movie studios do it all the time?
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yes but theyre not really urban explorers either
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tick
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Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 10 on 4/27/2006 10:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by melivorous
is there no way to just get permission to enter abandoned sites?
don't movie studios do it all the time?
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I've asked, and received, permission to explore some very cool sites.
It helps (a lot) if you start out asking historic questions about the site. A lot of owners/caretakers/whatever LOVE talking about whatever site they're involved with, but are tired of strangers just skipping the foreplay and straight out asking for access.
I've told this story on here before I know, but a few years ago I called up a government official with a few questions about the history of a high-security government tunnel network (btw, this was AFTER 9-11). Not only did he share information about the tunnels, but he invited me out for a tour, and even suggested that I bring my camera(!). It was fucking incredible, and then he topped it off by allowing me unlimited access to the blueprint room (complete with a secretary to help me make photocopies).
So yeah, asking permission doesn't always work, but when it does...
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Duncantx
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Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 11 on 4/28/2006 3:34 PM >
| | | | try using the local historical society, do volunteer work for them, and you can use that excuse to photography abandoned sites. that and/or say youre a student photographer.
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lopix
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Ontario
Gender: Male
I survive on the poison you're feeding me
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<Reply # 12 on 4/29/2006 2:44 AM >
| | | | Dude...
You cannot believe what you can get access to just by asking nicely....
Try it first, then post, yeah?
P.S. Dammit, booze makes for loose fingers...
I'm not angry - just focused :: No human opinion is higher than the truth
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 13 on 4/29/2006 3:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by lopix
Dude...
You cannot believe what you can get access to just by asking nicely....
Try it first, then post, yeah?
P.S. Dammit, booze makes for loose fingers...
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OK Dude, I've done it more than once, and it does work. Not all the time, but enough. I can't believe you been here so long and haven't learned how to do it the easy way. It's nice to be abled to concentrate on what your doing; taking pics. I'm touring a Atlas site by invite soon.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Deuterium
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PNW
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 14 on 5/1/2006 1:50 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
OK Dude, I've done it more than once, and it does work. Not all the time, but enough. I can't believe you been here so long and haven't learned how to do it the easy way. It's nice to be abled to concentrate on what your doing; taking pics. I'm touring a Atlas site by invite soon.
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But if you get told no, but sneak in later on and get caught, it's a lot harder to play innocent considering you've already been told no.
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blackhawk
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<Reply # 15 on 5/1/2006 2:51 AM >
| | | | Posted by Deuterium
But if you get told no, but sneak in later on and get caught, it's a lot harder to play innocent considering you've already been told no.
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If you know when to ask, and when it's not necessary it works more than it doesn't. It will get you into places you would otherwise never see. You don't have to get into every place there is. Sometimes taking the owner's "no" is the best thing to do.
-If all you ever do is lie and BS, that's all you ever will be good at-
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Deuterium
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PNW
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 16 on 5/1/2006 7:50 AM >
| | | | Well, I asked a janitor for a tour of the library basement when he wasn't busy. Of course, I was told no.
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blackoutangel00
location:
the other side
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 5/3/2006 10:33 PM >
| | | | i've got permission to get into several really great sites, from factories to hospitals to houses, and i prefer getting permission if at all possible because honestly i think it's more respectful. i think if you're polite and explain that you're doing it to preserve the site, your odds are a lot better; i even had the county itself take me through an old asbestos factory, and never would have seen as much were i just on my own. the municipal boroughs are a good place to check, because if they don't have control over the site, they will know who does. the more professional you come across, the better your chances.
still, sometimes people are unnecessarily rude. i want desperately to get into harrisburg state hospital before it gets processed into whatever garbage they're going to turn it into, and after two weeks of phone calls, i finally got the person who could give permission, and he was really ignorant. one minute he's saying 'if you were bona fide, maybe i'd consider it', the next telling me movies have been filmed there - in essence, trying to preserve the history isn't bona fide, i guess, but paying cash to do some film there is?! the ray of light there is i can still contact the governor's office and i'm planning on that - maybe tomorrow. wish me luck, because otherwise it's going to be very difficult to get any pics of the site.
deuterium makes a good point too: if you ask and then go in anyway when you get a no, at least have the sense to use a different name if you're caught, because if they know they turned you down before, that's an almost guaranteed criminal charge.
if you're 16, you're probably pretty much out of luck. no offense. i just can't imagine anyone saying yes, particularly if the place is broken down.
one more thing - sort of a question: i am thinking of contacting a lawyer to get a waiver written saying that i will not hold the property owner responsible for damages to my person/property if i enter their site - something that may come in handy and will make me look more professional, i hope. has anyone done this, or considered doing it? i guarantee if you have a good document like that people will be more inclined to listen, but i'm poor and don't have the $$ yet. any ideas?
blackoutangel
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dwagon
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Fort Worth Texas
Gender: Male
They call it Junk, I call it art
| | | Re: Legal Permission to enter
<Reply # 18 on 5/3/2006 10:41 PM >
| | | | blackoutangel, I completely agree with being professional. today I just gained access to a property that is due for demo. I advised I was interested in taking pictures and I was into old buildings and he said that was fine. He also said to call him back in a few weeks and he could give me the new owners name and I could possibly save some of the windows before they are destroyed. Another property I am salvaging right now the owner told me I could have and do what ever I wanted just not to get hurt (Dont get mad, It is being demolished to so I am not stealing). You just have to catch the right person at the right time.
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Deuterium
location:
PNW
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 19 on 5/4/2006 12:18 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackoutangel00
i've got permission to get into several really great sites, from factories to hospitals to houses, and i prefer getting permission if at all possible because honestly i think it's more respectful. i think if you're polite and explain that you're doing it to preserve the site, your odds are a lot better; |
If the area is hazardous and requires training/gears to enter, owner's putting himself at a risk of liability by knowingly allowing untrained, uneqiupped people to enter the area.
If you were in their shoes, you'll tell them "no" too.
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