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Uncle Goose
   
location:
Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
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< on 12/24/2005 3:40 PM >
|  | | | Ok, it finally happened, after all those years of exploring without a problem I ran into a group of 4!! aggressive dogs inside a building. I was so surprised that I was surrounded in no time by them and 1 started to bite me in the legs. The result is not pretty, got 2 wounds on my legs but luckly not very deep.
The main problem was that I wasn't armed, I had my maglite 3D but that's hardly useful against four quite large dogs. I used to take an 18inch swiss bajonet with me and I wished I took it with me at that time but I hadn't (because Belgium is relatively save), could have learned the bitches a lesson otherwise. Next Item in my pocket will be a lighter and a can of hairspray, Burn suckers, Burn!!
Since these were not guarddogs but dogs from squatters I hate squaters even more now.
What would you do??
BTW, this is one of the bites
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TDK1000
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<Reply # 1 on 12/24/2005 4:40 PM >
| | | | You'd be much better off with a can of mace, CS, or whatever they call it over there.
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Uncle Goose
location:
Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 2 on 12/24/2005 4:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by TDK1000
You'd be much better off with a can of mace, CS, or whatever they call it over there.
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Those are forbidden in Belgium and quite hard to get either way. So a burning hairspray is in my opinion the most useful since all animals fear fire.
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pyro
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 3 on 12/24/2005 5:17 PM >
| | | | I bet any aresol spray would hurt the dogs even if it wasn't on fire, especially since stuff like hairspray has alcohol in it. Also I bet spray paint would be pretty nasty too.
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wooble
location:
Surrey, UK
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 4 on 12/24/2005 10:25 PM >
| | | | De-icer spray would be the best dog deterrent, as both antifreeze and alcohol are very toxic to dogs, and de-icer cans have longer spray range than normal aerosol cans, as well as being cheap and fairly unsuspicious to carry. Also, you can't get much better fire than from a can of almost pure alcohol.
Of course, steel-toecapped boots are also very effective against anything going for your legs at close range.
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MindHacker
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Gender: Male
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| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 5 on 12/25/2005 2:44 AM >
|  | | | Antifreeze may be poisonous to dogs, but they like the taste of it. Nice and sweet. Thats why they lick it up and get sick. Alcohol can burn though. (Both sting and fire type burning). So Ill agree that pepperspray would be best, but De-icer also quite useful.
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Pravus
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Chicago Area
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 6 on 12/25/2005 2:49 AM >
| | | | Sounds like you made it out of that extremely lucky.. I wouldn't screw around with dogs.. especially if there are 4.. My opinion if you can't get to a safe area where they can't get to you, drop one, then repeat untill they go away.. Dogs can inflict massive damage, not exactly something I would want to play around with
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 7 on 12/25/2005 4:47 AM >
|  | | | Try to make yourself look big, flap your coat and yell wildly.
If that fails, wear steel toe boots and aim for the throat.
I like the de-icer idea, cruel but if it was me, I would do it.
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KublaKhan
location:
Edinburgh, Scotland
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 8 on 12/25/2005 4:52 AM >
| | | | An icepick in the fucking eyeball works nicely as well.
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wooble
location:
Surrey, UK
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 9 on 12/25/2005 1:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
Antifreeze may be poisonous to dogs, but they like the taste of it. Nice and sweet. Thats why they lick it up and get sick. Alcohol can burn though. (Both sting and fire type burning). So Ill agree that pepperspray would be best, but De-icer also quite useful.
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There's surprisingly little antifreeze in de-icer spray, it's mostly composed of methanol (although some 'eco-friendly' expensive de-icers are composed entirely of elaborate non-harmful chemicals).
There's certainly by far enough alcohol there to mask the taste of the antifreeze, so you don't have to worry about dogs finding it nice-tasting. And if you've ever screwed up and sprayed yourself in the face with de-icer, you'll know that stuff burns like hell. I wouldn't hang around if someone sprayed it on me.
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Kimmo
Noble Donor
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<Reply # 10 on 12/26/2005 6:41 AM >
| | | | I run into a dog also while being in Paldiski in early December. The dog was extremely aggressive near of the place I assume it was suppose to guard. It came running down the hill, barking and its hair in the neck standing up.
My fiancé was terrified of the dog and wanted to run, but I've spend my whole life with dogs and knew that if we run, we become the hunt for it. Instead I command the dog, even when in Finnish which the dog probably didn't understand, but the tone of the voice is everything with dogs.
Finally after yelling to it about few minutes and not retreating an inch, the dog finally gave up and run where it came from.
For one dog this worked and works if you know what you are doing, but with four dogs...I think I would have started to run...
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Mark
 
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
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| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 11 on 12/26/2005 12:36 PM >
| | | | I think the fire idea is the best. Although alcohol based deterrence is possible on most animals, many cops have been bitten by dogs that were sprayed with Pepper Spray. I would conclude if that is an issue then the alcoholic compounds may not always be effective enough.
Fire however pretty much is a universal fear among every animal.
The animal expert guy at my work had some rather common sense information. It seems dumb but probably deserves repeating. Try to keep appendages out of the animals mouth. Being behind an animal is easier then a front on confrontation.
PS KublaKhan - An ice pick would be fine but there are several detractors. Understress putting a icepick in a eye is like trying to threading a fire hose through a needle. The limited effects of a small weapon like that requires a precision rarely seen even in most martial arts circles. Fighting off any animal with a knife is hard, fighting off multiple animals becomes excessively more difficult.
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Uncle Goose
location:
Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 12 on 12/26/2005 6:01 PM >
| | | | You can always "locate" it on another part of the dog, like his waist. I'll bet that it would ran off with a lot of pain.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 13 on 12/26/2005 10:42 PM >
| | | | Posted by Uncle Goose
You can always "locate" it on another part of the dog, like his waist. I'll bet that it would ran off with a lot of pain.
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You obviously havent seen dogs fight to the death.
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ofberenonehand
location:
Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 14 on 12/27/2005 2:09 AM >
| | | | Ammonia is really effective. You can just put a little in a squirt gun and cary it with you. It'll burn intensely, but not blind the dog permanently.
Mace has been shown to have a physical effect which can cause rage in humans. I imagine it's similar with animals. It might hurt a little and your eyes may spasm shut, but that's not going to stop a dog. Just piss it off.
There are body languages that convey different things to dogs which you might want to read up on. Not facing it directly and not leaning over it will help communicate that you are submissive/not a threat. Don't look them in the eye unless you are trying to establish supremacy. DO NOT run. It's drives them to a hunt mentality and generally makes things worse.
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Ultramasturbatron
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 15 on 12/27/2005 2:30 AM >
| | | | Well, for one when you come into the dogs territory and it attacks you, what do yo u expect? Regardless if its stray or for protection. Getting angry at squatters and their possible pets for protection when they're there for shelter, what gives you the right to be angry?
Poisoning or killing these animals because their trying to protect their territory by instinct is completely stupid. You go into these areas knowing full well the possible dangers. But to backlash on these animals or the people who own them makes you a complete ass.
Carry pepperspray for a temporary deterrent. Which with proper planing would have solved a lot of your problems. Piss poor planning is the result of your wounds.
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TylerDurden
location:
Worcester, Ma
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 16 on 12/27/2005 3:41 AM >
| | | | Holy shit! That's nuts. Glad you're ok; were the squatters there to call the dogs off or anything? I'm definitely going to invest in some pepper spray...
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pyro
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 17 on 12/27/2005 3:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by Daghita
Carry pepperspray for a temporary deterrent.
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He already said that he can't get that kind of stuff because it's illegal and very hard to get in Belgium. I think a dog getting some irritant in the eyes is a little better than a human getting maimed.
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Mark
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location:
South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 18 on 12/27/2005 6:40 AM >
| | | | Posted by Daghita
Well, for one when you come into the dogs territory and it attacks you, what do yo u expect? Regardless if its stray or for protection. Getting angry at squatters and their possible pets for protection when they're there for shelter, what gives you the right to be angry?
Poisoning or killing these animals because their trying to protect their territory by instinct is completely stupid. You go into these areas knowing full well the possible dangers. But to backlash on these animals or the people who own them makes you a complete ass.
Carry pepperspray for a temporary deterrent. Which with proper planing would have solved a lot of your problems. Piss poor planning is the result of your wounds.
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DID YOU READ A GOD DAMNED THING THAT WAS SAID BEYOND THE FIRST FUCKING POST?
First its not been the squatters property, territory, or other. Merely where these people and the dogs have probably the same legal right to be as, an urban explorer.
Secondly I am pissed with anyone who has a visious dog that they dont fence in, and or leash. Its the responsiblity of the owner to control the dog.
Third did you not read HE CANT HAVE PEPPER SPRAY.
I dont know about anyone else, but I am not going to lay down and let a dog bite the hell out of me, right or wrong. Maybe your in the wrong area but are you really going to just stand around just because your at fault. I'll kill a dog if its trying to do harm to me.
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Uncle Goose
location:
Ghent, Belgium
Gender: Male
The Goose knows best.
| | | Re: Attacking Dogs
<Reply # 19 on 12/27/2005 6:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by Daghita
Well, for one when you come into the dogs territory and it attacks you, what do yo u expect? Regardless if its stray or for protection. Getting angry at squatters and their possible pets for protection when they're there for shelter, what gives you the right to be angry?
Poisoning or killing these animals because their trying to protect their territory by instinct is completely stupid. You go into these areas knowing full well the possible dangers. But to backlash on these animals or the people who own them makes you a complete ass.
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1st of all, those squatters don't own the building, they just shit everything under there. I on the other hand had a good reason to be there, taking pictures for historical reasons since it's a very old building that might be demolished in the future.
2nd. There was nobody present in the building, making it a very dangerous situation since nobody could call of the dogs. That's just unresponsible. I'm a pretty sturdy guy (1.80m, 90kg) but say there would be little kids from age 10 or so running into those dogs, what would happened then heh?? Don't think that those dogs would reacted anythings else than they did with me.
3th. dogs that attack and bite without any reason except territorial behaviour are not suitable for living in a community with people all around. A dog may bark, show his theeth and try to scare you off but not bite without any provocation. I can understand if you attack the dog that he tries to defend himself but with me it wasn't the case, I just stood there, didn't run away or made eyecontact. That dog was a danger for anyone, if it would break out it would bite too. The best option for that dog is termination.
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