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Pravus
 
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 60 on 1/6/2006 3:18 PM >
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Of course, if the situation starts to get really sticky, running is always an option if the guy looks out of shape!
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rule of thumb.. if you plan on running, you DAMN well better not get caught
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jB
location:
Pickering, Ontario
Gender: Male
He who speaks does not slack; he who slacks does not speak
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<Reply # 61 on 1/7/2006 7:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by Pravus
rule of thumb.. if you plan on running, you DAMN well better not get caught
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frugalfinnagan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 62 on 1/8/2006 10:57 PM >
| | | | I was working here last month doing some air testing (environmental stuff) and I think i dropped my keys, so i am looking.
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jB
location:
Pickering, Ontario
Gender: Male
He who speaks does not slack; he who slacks does not speak
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<Reply # 63 on 1/9/2006 4:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by frugalfinnagan
I was working here last month doing some air testing (environmental stuff) and I think i dropped my keys, so i am looking.
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Bummer, but I don't see what it has to do with this thread.
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frugalfinnagan
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 64 on 1/12/2006 1:17 AM >
| | | | It is here because it is a possibly beliveable excuse. (if a person is willing to lie)
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maynardsouthern
location:
Knoxville TN
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 65 on 1/12/2006 3:15 PM >
| | | | Camera, camera, camera...a few of 'em is even better. I was north of Carthage, Tn. driving on Hwy. 70 and saw this really nice abandoned farmhouse just off the road on a hill. There was a driveway running to some houses set off pretty far behind it, so I pulled in and parked, and proceeded to load and start taping up my favorite old bakelite 35mm that has a ton of light leaks. A couple pulled in the driveway, drove by, and we waved at each other...making me think everything was cool, so I continued getting my cameras ready...they pulled back up the drive a few minutes later, and asked me what I was doing there. I explained I just liked to take photos of old buildings and such. The lady of the couple was a photographer, too and understood, but said they wouldn't give me permission to wander around the house...then completely out of the blue, they tell me the house had been used for a meth lab in the past and they had called the sheriff, and they were on the way, so I'd better clear out...why they didn't ask me what I was doing BEFORE they called the cops I still don't know. So anyway, I hit the road, heading to the nearest turn off to get to the interstate, and here come two deputy sheriffs cars from the other direction, just screaming past me. Hoping to hit the interstate before they can figure out what was going on, I sped up and made the turn onto the highway that would put me on I-40...I was about 1/8 of a mile from 40 when here they come, flying up behind me...and I thought oh, great...I am gonna be effed with so hard and long.
Two of 'em came up on either side of the car, told me why they had pulled me over, and wanted to know what I was doing out there...I pointed to the pile of three or four cameras I had in the seat with me and told them I was a photographer...they simply ran my license and then told me to have a nice day...always carry a camera...even if you don't take photos...
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jB
location:
Pickering, Ontario
Gender: Male
He who speaks does not slack; he who slacks does not speak
| | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 66 on 1/12/2006 5:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by frugalfinnagan
It is here because it is a possibly beliveable excuse. (if a person is willing to lie)
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Ahhh. Forgive me...I'm not a deep analyzer
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TheQ
Gender: Male
| | | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 67 on 2/15/2006 3:45 AM >
| | | | ive read a lot about cameras and running on this thread. The camera thing is good, and hiding and running can work too if you do it right. Running is like a game of chess, there is always another option open to you, as long as you look far enough ahead. You can run, but know where you are going, and constantly think of where you're going next, never run or hide where you know you'll have nowhere else to go. I've done it before, and it can be crazy scary to have run and find yourself with nowhere to go. it sounds really cheesy and all, i know, but it will always pay off to think rather than panic. Don't panic over the consequences, just think about how to get away. Thats just my two sense. I know you're probably thinking, well you try pulling that chess game junk when the cops are after you, but the point is to remain calm and always keep your options open.
One other thing, about going to active sites. If you're worried about encounters with no-nothing employees, it always helps to be "busy". I'll take my chances and tell you i'm in highschool, and i'll even give you some advice i've learn from school. Some of the meanest teachers will not even look twice if you do two things, the first of course is look like you belong, in this case, walking fast like your late to class or have an errand, and secondly, be busy, sometimes its as easy as looking at your watch, or turning to stop at a random locker, or going to the bathroom.
Take my advice how you like it, but regardless of how cheesy it might seem, the theory behind it really works.
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ColdWater
location:
boston
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 68 on 2/15/2006 5:16 AM >
| | | | as long as youre not inside the building the whole "oh i was just taking pictures for a school project, ill get leaving now, i thought it was legal as long as you dont go inside the buildings" works
and i love acting suprised when they tell you how dangerous the place is..
"Oh shit that asbestos stuff can give you cancer? damn thanks for telling me that atleast"
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ColdWater
location:
boston
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 69 on 2/15/2006 5:32 AM >
| | | | if you were in the building say that you thought it was only after dark, or my favorite "oh im shooting a project for photo class thats called 'inside looking out' where i have to portray hostile environments"
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farris
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 70 on 2/15/2006 3:48 PM >
| | | | In the US, laws regarding citizens' arrest vary by state. Search and seizure laws, on the the other hand, are based on your federal constitutional rights and are universal, although your state constitution/laws may provide additional protection. If you're serious about research, www.findlaw.com is a decent resource, but a much better idea is to go down to local law library and ask the librarian. 99 times out of 100 they will have a JD and, more importantly, will likely be bored out of their mind and eager to help you. Don't trust anything randomly posted on the internet, including this post.
Be careful though, the laws can be very intricate. For example, here in North Carolina there is no citizens' arrest, but one private citizen may detain another under certain circumstances. And then there more rules regarding whether the use of force is appropriate. At least in NC, there are even different kinds of rent-a-cops; some are invested with full police powers and that power may or may not vary depending on them being on their contracted property. It can even vary among guards from the same company.
Bottom line: It is never a good idea to try and stand on your rights if you get busted. First, you'll piss the officers/guards off. Second, it's in your best interest for them to mess up, so don't tell them what they're doing wrong. If they mess up the arrest or the search leading up to the arrest pretty much everything else goes away, especially on a fairly pissant charge like trespass.
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
| | | | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 71 on 2/15/2006 3:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by farris
In the US, laws regarding citizens' arrest vary by state. Search and seizure laws, on the the other hand, are based on your federal constitutional rights and are universal, although your state constitution/laws may provide additional protection. If you're serious about research, www.findlaw.com is a decent resource, but a much better idea is to go down to local law library and ask the librarian. 99 times out of 100 they will have a JD and, more importantly, will likely be bored out of their mind and eager to help you. Don't trust anything randomly posted on the internet, including this post.
Be careful though, the laws can be very intricate. For example, here in North Carolina there is no citizens' arrest, but one private citizen may detain another under certain circumstances. And then there more rules regarding whether the use of force is appropriate. At least in NC, there are even different kinds of rent-a-cops; some are invested with full police powers and that power may or may not vary depending on them being on their contracted property. It can even vary among guards from the same company.
Bottom line: It is never a good idea to try and stand on your rights if you get busted. First, you'll piss the officers/guards off. Second, it's in your best interest for them to mess up, so don't tell them what they're doing wrong. If they mess up the arrest or the search leading up to the arrest pretty much everything else goes away, especially on a fairly pissant charge like trespass.
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even all that aside laws are written extremely grey.. so if the law mentions anything about intent the cop can pretty much arrest you for anything he wants.. bottom line if a cop wants to arrect you he doesn't have to think that long to come up with something.. basically don't piss'em off and don't get caught
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0U812
location:
Lubbock, TX
Gender: Female
Texploration
| | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 72 on 2/15/2006 4:05 PM >
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well for exploring i was busted once, i was at grain silo 5, here in montreal and we were just leaving the building i walked up and saw a security car so i walked out of his sight beside the building hoping he didnt see me i told my friends just run so we did crawled under a fence and were off the property i thought we were safe then i see the car stop at the fence to unlock it and come after us if we ran i figure there would have been an 80% chance of escape but one of the people i was with didnt want to run and im not the type to leave someone behind. he pulls over takes our id's then tells us to get into the back of the car for "his" protection,the funny part is that on either side of the glass in the car there's a 8" gap and im wondering how will that protect him if i had a weapon and he didnt even search us,
he then drives us to the back of the building looks at our entrance point and starts saying we made a b&e which we didn't. he calls two other security cars over. while we waited for them to arrive he keeps telling us how its federal property and bla blah blah.they arrive he leaves us 3 in the car alone big mistake,this gives us time to delete the photos from inside the building and for me to say okay the story goes we never went in only looked around the outside,they agree,
they open the door and ask why we were in there, i pulled a story out of my ass and said we say it in the news paper and read that loto quebec may turn it into a casino (that part is true) so we wanted to come see it in person because if they tear it down we wont get to see such an amazing piece of architecture and history,after that they took us out of the car and questioned us separately, since we were able too keep our stories together we got off the hook with a next time your here we will charge you this is federal property, and after i left i found out the said to my friend you know we can make up stories and say you made the entrance and broke in.
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Honey, punctuation.
I figured out what's wrong with life:
It's other people. |
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FoxTwoFoxTwo
location:
Clarksville, Tennessee
Gender: Male
I'm an explorer who photographs...
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<Reply # 73 on 2/16/2006 2:13 AM >
|  | | | That story was good but made my head hurt.
To get into places in broad daylight, bring some of these things:
Hard hat
Bright Reflector vest (should go with hard hat and working gloves)
a clipboard and clicky pen
radios
working boots
tripod
surveying equipment
lots of cameras
Just using that stuff will usually keep people from questioning you.
Bringing exploration to Clarksville.
Journal: http://www.uer.ca/...id=4&catid=2000173 | RUAUER!?!?!?111ONE??QUESTIONMARK | FoxTwoFoxTwo - "I just ordered a large. I have a relatively huge head so yeah..." |
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J Peterman
     
location:
Victoria B.C.
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.
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<Reply # 74 on 2/18/2006 3:59 AM >
| | | | When I get caught I just offer them some of the snack I'm eating. Usually trail mix or peanut-butter sam-whiches.
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. |
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CherryLunar
location:
Miami, FL
Gender: Female
| | | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 75 on 2/22/2006 3:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by FoxTwoFoxTwo
That story was good but made my head hurt.
To get into places in broad daylight, bring some of these things:
Hard hat
Bright Reflector vest (should go with hard hat and working gloves)
a clipboard and clicky pen
radios
working boots
tripod
surveying equipment
lots of cameras
Just using that stuff will usually keep people from questioning you.
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But what to do if they ask you what you're doing, what company you work for, etc.?
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true_infinity
location:
Rockford, IL.
Gender: Male
Jerk of the Year
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<Reply # 76 on 2/22/2006 4:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by CherryLunar
But what to do if they ask you what you're doing, what company you work for, etc.?
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Why, you're an independent contractor surveying sites for possible development of reasonably priced condos, of course!
-or-
Drop the contractor paraphernalia and go with ol' reliable, you're a student at Local University doing a photo shoot for your thesis on urban architectural dereliction.
either one will usually get you off the hook, provided you haven't obviously committed a foolish offence such as B&E.
~b
Leo1: You cant just wander around Gary going into old buildings! Theres plenty of crackheads that will bust you in the mouth for that camera, then run a train your ladyfriends.
Me: I like Gary, I think its nice, aside from the lack of eats on a Sunday afternoon.
Leo2: Yeah, its really nice...until we find three dead strangers in an...abandoned...thing. |
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ToastProphet
Gender: Male
Tea! That's all I needed. Good cup of tea.
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<Reply # 77 on 2/22/2006 3:27 PM >
|  | | | while running away, don't forget where your feet are. last night i was clearing out of a mill and tripped over a gigantic sheet of aluminum and did that trippy run over it trying to regain my balance creating a sound like someone shooting a gun.
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scaaary muffins |
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J Peterman
location:
Victoria B.C.
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me.
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<Reply # 78 on 2/22/2006 7:55 PM >
| | | | Agreed. I was sneak-running on my way out of a construction site. By the time I saw the bundle of re-bar I had tripped over I was already in mid-air headed for some prickly-bushes...
ouch
I'm going hunting for mysteries, cover me. |
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mrshapeman
location:
Berkeley, CA, USA
Gender: Male
| | Re: getting busted and getting out of trouble
<Reply # 79 on 2/23/2006 4:56 AM >
| | | | Either have (or look like you have) a purpose for whatever you are doing. If you are in an active site and you come around a corner or something and see someone in a uniform, don't change course, don't hesitate, just keep walking straight.
This, of course, doesn't work for construction sites and the like. For that, scope the site extensively, and have at least two escape routes in mind. Watch out for late-night guards sleeping in the driver's seat of parked cars.
If you're peering down a storm drain with a maglite, it's helpful to get good at turning it off with one hand so that you can palm the light and pretend to be tying a shoe.
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