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North County San Diego
Gender: Male
We were playing flashlight tag, officer!
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<Reply # 20 on 6/14/2005 4:46 AM >
|  | | | Last night, as we were getting our gear together in the woods of a national park outside an abandoned power plant, we heard a car pull up and doors slam. We all huddled down into the foliage with our camo and waited in silence. After a minute or so, flashlight beams began to scan to ground around us...the beam must have passed over me four or five times, but I wasn't noticed (yay for camo!). I thought at first that it was just curious neighbors, but then I heard radio chatter. Shortly after, one cop located my friend (who had been standing behind a tree for lack of better cover) and said, "Do you want to get fucking shot? What are you doing?" We all proceeded to crawl out, but only after dropping our gear in the woods....we had P-100s, lockpicks, a crowbar, flashlights, etc. That done, we all walked to the cops who in turn demanded an explanation. I offered that we were playing flashlight tag and had lost track of time, as we're all 17 and it was past curfew. The cop told us that he had eight charges total against us (four guys, curfew and trespassing on federal property) but that meant a lot of paperwork for him. The other guy said that normally he wouldn't believe that bullshit, but looking at us and our camo BDUs he actually believed us. In the end, they simply let us go and told us to get home. We returned this morning to pick up our dropped gear, which was exactly where we had left it before.
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atomx
    
location:
Brighton, ON
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 6/14/2005 11:13 AM >
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as we're all 17 and it was past curfew. The cop told us that he had eight charges total against us (four guys, curfew and trespassing on federal property) |
Curfew? Where are you where they still have curfews?
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Richard Cook |
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trip
location:
montreal
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 6/14/2005 12:49 PM >
| | | | well for exploring i was busted once, i was at grain silo 5, here in montreal and we were just leaving the building i walked up and saw a security car so i walked out of his sight beside the building hoping he didnt see me i told my friends just run so we did crawled under a fence and were off the property i thought we were safe then i see the car stop at the fence to unlock it and come after us if we ran i figure there would have been an 80% chance of escape but one of the people i was with didnt want to run and im not the type to leave someone behind. he pulls over takes our id's then tells us to get into the back of the car for "his" protection,the funny part is that on either side of the glass in the car there's a 8" gap and im wondering how will that protect him if i had a weapon and he didnt even search us,
he then drives us to the back of the building looks at our entrance point and starts saying we made a b&e which we didn't. he calls two other security cars over. while we waited for them to arrive he keeps telling us how its federal property and bla blah blah.they arrive he leaves us 3 in the car alone big mistake,this gives us time to delete the photos from inside the building and for me to say okay the story goes we never went in only looked around the outside,they agree,
they open the door and ask why we were in there, i pulled a story out of my ass and said we say it in the news paper and read that loto quebec may turn it into a casino (that part is true) so we wanted to come see it in person because if they tear it down we wont get to see such an amazing piece of architecture and history,after that they took us out of the car and questioned us separately, since we were able too keep our stories together we got off the hook with a next time your here we will charge you this is federal property, and after i left i found out the said to my friend you know we can make up stories and say you made the entrance and broke in.
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Random
location:
Richmond, Virginia
Gender: Male
Partially Retired
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<Reply # 23 on 6/14/2005 2:16 PM >
| | | | I got busted last night. We'd been exploring a nice system of drains under the fringes of a local mall. As we we were resting, we heard a nearby manhole cover move and voices. So, we moved pretty quickly up a few junctions, apparently, not far enough. We climbed out and were ten steps from the car when a cop rolled up. Followed by two more cops, a sheriff, mall security and the fire department. So, since there's no way to deny it, we opt for honesty. We dump our bags and pockets on the street, and tell them everything they want to know. Told them about all the cool animals and mineral formations we'd found, etc... Of course, the thing would have made it most believeable, my camera and tripod, I had left in the car this run. We managed to yap about how cool drains were long enough for them to believe we weren't terrorists or anything like that and they let us go with a major amount of don't do it again. We were let off with a warning. My two buddies say they'll never do it again. Me, I'll do it again, but I'm going to lay low for a little while, considering one officer said, "I'll be looking for YOU." The other officers were nice, I don't know what this guy's problem was.
You know what really gets me is the injustice around here. My neighbor was having a drunken bash, everyone at the party underage, with the music turned all the way and setting off fireworks, and the cops walked up to the front door, wagged their fingers and said, "Bad person, don't do it again." But we get hassled for over an hour for walking around in a tunnel that is WIDE OPEN at both ends, both of them in very public places.
EDIT: I forgot to mention that they confiscated my Leatherman knock-off even though I had long-ago sawed off both of the knife blades.
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InsertNameHere
location:
North County San Diego
Gender: Male
We were playing flashlight tag, officer!
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<Reply # 24 on 6/14/2005 4:52 PM >
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| Curfew? Where are you where they still have curfews? |
We live in Ohio, a suburb of Kent and Akron. Curfew is midnight for anyone under 18; when we were caught it was probably a bit after one in the morning.
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Random
location:
Richmond, Virginia
Gender: Male
Partially Retired
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<Reply # 25 on 6/14/2005 11:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by InsertNameHere
We live in Ohio, a suburb of Kent and Akron. Curfew is midnight for anyone under 18; when we were caught it was probably a bit after one in the morning.
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We have something similar here. I believe ours eleven though.
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drainpunk
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<Reply # 26 on 6/14/2005 11:37 PM >
| | | | | You know what really gets me is the injustice around here. My neighbor was having a drunken bash, everyone at the party underage, with the music turned all the way and setting off fireworks, and the cops walked up to the front door, wagged their fingers and said, "Bad person, don't do it again." But we get hassled for over an hour for walking around in a tunnel that is WIDE OPEN at both ends, both of them in very public places. |
Yeah. But I guess they tend to think everything unusual (I mean in the way that draining isn't that known sport) is somehow plots of terrorists or something. But that kind of parties they just think are normal. :\
Anyways, interesting stories. 
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mrtea
location:
Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 6/20/2005 9:32 PM >
| | | | Reading a few of these posts some people say they were held by security/ questioned by etc. I'm not sure if it's common knowledge, but in Canada security guards have the same amount of rights as you do. Not sure how it is in the States or other parts of the world but some quick facts applicable to Canada:
WHO HAS THE POWER TO ARREST?
The authority to arrest is given to all private persons. A security guard arrests with the same power as any other private person. However, because the security officer wears a uniform and badge, that can lead to misunderstanding and abuse.
FALSE ARREST: MISDEMEANOR ARREST
a private person making a misdemeanor arrest may be found criminally liable for a false arrest if the arrest is made and the arresting party did not actually observe the suspect commit the misdemeanor in his presence.
I hope people already know this but hopefully it will educate a few people
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InsertNameHere
location:
North County San Diego
Gender: Male
We were playing flashlight tag, officer!
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<Reply # 28 on 6/21/2005 1:15 AM >
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Hm...so what you're saying is that security guards can arrest you, but with the conditions and requirements of a citizen's arrest? I'm of the understanding that, here in the States at least, if you are stopped by a guard with no badge or uniform you are not legally obligated to stay until real police arrive. Can anyone confirm/deny this?
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bikepunk
location:
Vancouver
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 29 on 6/22/2005 1:04 AM >
| | | | It varies place to place, so the best is to do a little research on Trespass laws and legalities pertaining to private security forces. I just found this article, something I didn't know about the use of force during a citizen's arrest (in Canada):
http://www.cle.bc..../03-scc-asante.htm
Basically, the Supreme Court ruled that use of force is allowable during a citizen's arrest for trespass. I would interpret that to mean that a security guard in Canada could try to physically detain you while waiting for the police, but there'd be limits to what all they could do to keep you in their custody. I think it's also really easy to mess up a citizen's arrest, so knowing the relevant laws in your area would be useful if you ever did end up getting charged. I always figure that I can talk my way out of something, if not with the security guard (who may be reasonable or may be one of those cop-wannabee jerks who'll call the real cops just to exert a little authority over someone), then with the cops if they show up. The main thing is passing the 30 second attitude test. Piss off a cop, expect to deal with consequences. I've been able to politely argue my way out of tickets by just being forthright, relatively honest and confident in what I'm saying.
That said, I've only been caught on a UE-related thing once, years ago. Before my most recent exploration of an abandonment on a very active property/busy street, I made sure to double check the relevant laws. I found at least two ways to beat a charge if caught (lots of security, but simple observation allowed us to avoid them). The first would have been to leave when asked to do so. If we had been caught and actually ended up in court (which I would highly doubt would happen, but good to know anyways), we could have gotten off on the basis that the site wasn't posted "No Trespassing". You can't be charged with trespass on land/buildings that aren't posted (at least in BC).
Best thing is to just use observation and caution and not get caught in the first place.
(BC Trespass Act: http://www.qp.gov....62_01.htm#section7)
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EvilNick
location:
rochester new york
Gender: Male
It's only evil if they do it
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<Reply # 30 on 6/29/2005 6:27 AM >
| | | | And now for the obvious question... why did you park on their land?
Posted by GreyDeath
I've been caught twice now. Both times I got off the hook by just telling the truth.
First time I was up at a rock quarry with a friend of mine. We went there to take pictures of the area and check it out. Unfortunately, my camera died after the first picture... Damn... So we start checking the place out. Started climbing on the different elevators and crushers. Then out of no where we hear a screen door slam shut. We drop to the ground and start looking around. We spot a guy getting into his truck. Apparently there was an explosives team from Quebec doing tests or something like that at this particular quarry. So he gets in his truck, drives around the place a bit, finds my car, checks it out, and leaves. We lay low for about 10-15 min and get back in my car and take off. Just as we're approaching the gate to the place we see the truck parked on the road blocking us in. Damn... We sit for a few minutes until my friend decides to get out to talk to the guy. She explains to him that we were just exploring and that we weren't there to steal anything. Even offered to show the guy our pictures! Being the nice guy he was he called the cops to try and cancel his request for officers. No dice... Once a request has been filed they have to dispatch them... Damn... So the police get there and try and scare us by screaming down the road at us and hitting the brakes at the last minute. They get out, check out my car (which I'm surprised they didn't tow due to it's incredibly unsafe state), as us what we were doing, and all the standard stuff. We explain that we were just there taking pictures and that we weren't stealing anything. Apparently the guy was worried that we were stealing the explosives since they were experimental or classified or something like that. And I doubt this part, but the french dude claimed that they were conducting unmaned blasts during the night. We the cop tells us this and asks again what we were doing. We tell him we were just taking pictures and looking around. The officer didn't belive us. He though we were parking it... Fuckers... Ohh well, we got off with no problems at all.
-Me!
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<seicer> damn :(
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GreyDeath
location:
Ontario
Gender: Male
The Darkness is coming...
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<Reply # 31 on 6/29/2005 1:10 PM >
| | | | Cause it's a long walk to get there, I didn't think anyone was around, it was in a fairly good hiding spot, and I've never had a problem with security or strange people appearing from trailers before... =]
-Me!
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Shiv The Planet
Gender: Male
too little, much too late
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<Reply # 32 on 6/29/2005 5:59 PM >
| | | | I got caught today just as I was making a fool of myself. I was poking around in an area I wasn't supposed to be in and I saw a water fountain. Exploring had left me with a bit of a dry mouth, so I went to take a sip. As I pushed the little lever to make the water come out, a powerful stream shot up about 2 feet and hit me in the eye. At the same time, a worker from that place walked around the corner as I was being blinded by the stream. She got a laugh out of it and I left, pouting.
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Finn
location:
Plano, TX
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 33 on 6/29/2005 9:17 PM >
| | | | My first night of UE, we were up at SMU trying to find an entrance to some steam tunnels at 2 in the morning. We got stopped by the Campus Cops who asked what we were doing. We told them we were just looking around the campus for some interesting pictures. That's why I always say bring a camera. It's saved my neck at least twice. Another tip I can give is UE in the daytime if at all possible. You're much less likely suspected of being a burglar or some nonsense. If you're found in a drain, just tell them the truth. The cops never know if it's illegal or not, they just tell you not to do it again. Ha.
Rest in Peace, Ninjalicious. I know that wherever you are, you're finding the best sites for us already. |
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function
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 34 on 9/6/2005 5:36 PM >
| | | | Posted by Flagg
I had just gotten out of a building on a scouting mission ... [snip] ... just so happened that I also had a few knives on me ... [snip] |
Never, ever, ever, bring *any* kind of knife on a mission, nevermind "a few" of them.
Stuff like that exponentially decreases any odds of walking away from being busted and may land friends (who know not to bring knives along) in serious s--t.
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Krenta
location:
Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
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<Reply # 35 on 9/6/2005 8:21 PM >
| | | | As others have pointed out, honesty works wonders. Photography will frequently excuse a great deal of things, if you're really there to take pictures. Whomever has stopped you may be skeptical, but I've found that non-photographers tend to get blinding headaches the moment you start answering their questions with technical answers. If you know what chiarusco is, describing your quest to capture it on film should produce a migraine or two, and convince everyone present that you're harmless. Nutty, maybe, but harmless.
But, seriously, above all else, honesty works far better than anything except not getting caught in the first place to get you out of trouble. You needn't tell the whole truth; if you're caught leaving the property an old mill sits on, for instance, with a camera and tripod, it's probably better to just say "we were taking pictures of the mill..." and not mention "...from inside, and on the roof, and in the basement, and everywhere else we could get into, officer." Or, for example, the time I and some others were in a parking lot next to an old railroad structure, and a Sheriff's deputy showed up. She mainly wanted to make sure we weren't drinkin' and neckin', and with all the cameras and stuff, was more than happy to accept our explanation that we were taking pictures of the big trestle thingy, which we were; we were also waiting for the two crazy people who'd decided to climb the thing to return...
Being lied to pisses security guards, landowners, and police officers off far more than anything other than having to chase someone.
Edit: Also, if there are just two of you, you aren't taking pictures, and you're in a part of the world where such an explanation won't get you beaten or killed, the whole "we were just looking for some place to spend a little quiet time together, officer... our parents don't really approve of our relationship..." should work really well, if you can pull it off convincingly.
Things not to say: "You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant; walk right in, it's around the back, just a half a mile from the railroad track; you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant" - this only works on draft boards, not security guards or police officers. Also, "Red Rover, Red Rover, send the rookie on over!" probably won't go over well...
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Pravus
location:
Chicago Area
Gender: Male
Now the two key words for tonight - "caution" and "flammable"...
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<Reply # 36 on 9/6/2005 10:15 PM >
| | | | I could be wrong but isn't it unlawful for some security guard to hold you against your will.. you 'could' sue then with kidnapping and whatnot, pretty much it's the same as finding someone cutting across my lawn and tying them up and throwing them in my basement.. I know for a fact this is true for people like store security and the such which is why they don't detain people that steal untill cops get there, they can only 'ask' you to stay, not sure about any "actual" security though.. 90% sure that only a cop can hold you against your will (if anyone knows otherwise please say so, as I would be interested to know the actual laws on this) if true things like them putting you in the back of thier car and the such would be illegal for them to do and you get a one up on them be letting them know you will be charging them.. (although most security guards I have run across have MASSIVE god complexes)
mrtea brought this up too I just noticed, but does anyone know the laws in the states?
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JavaDog
location:
Buffalo, NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 37 on 9/6/2005 10:34 PM >
| | | | | Posted by KrentaThings not to say: "You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant; walk right in, it's around the back, just a half a mile from the railroad track; you can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant" - this only works on draft boards, not security guards or police officers. |
Yeah, but if two of you sing it - in harmony - they might think you're both faggots and not arrest either one of you...
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Krenta
location:
Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
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<Reply # 38 on 9/6/2005 11:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by JavaDog
Yeah, but if two of you sing it - in harmony - they might think you're both faggots and not arrest either one of you...
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I had that ("If two people sing it - in harmony - they'll think they're both faggots and not take either one of 'em") going thru my head when reading this thread, which is why I posted the Alice's Restaurant bit. Nice to see someone else is a fan of Alice's Restaurant. 
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HillbillyHorus
location:
Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
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<Reply # 39 on 9/7/2005 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by atomx
Curfew? Where are you where they still have curfews?
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We still have curfews insert annoying smiley here.
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