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Jester
  
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 20 on 4/8/2005 3:29 PM >
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Just locate the main phone line that exits the building and cut it.
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The idea is great except for the whole "cutting the phone line" part. That goes completely against the ethics of most explorers as it's damaging another person's property...
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TheRev
 
location:
Ohio
Gender: Male
We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson...
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<Reply # 21 on 4/8/2005 6:15 PM >
| | | | And a lot of systems now are cellular, at least around here, so cutting the phone wire will do nothing at best and set off the alarm at worst. On top, of course, of the aforementioned damaging of the property.
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Elshar
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MN/NY
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 22 on 4/8/2005 6:49 PM >
| | | | If the building is abandoned, and the power off, then most likely no one is paying for phone service, or any other type of service anymore, so who's paying for the motion detector service?
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 23 on 4/8/2005 7:37 PM >
|  | | | As I've said before, an *abanadoned* building is almost never truly abandoned. There is still an owner somewhere, and he still pays the taxes on the property and still may want to keep it from being ransacked by vandals even if he has no plans for the property at this time.
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nacho
location:
St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 24 on 4/8/2005 8:10 PM >
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Say, how long does a motion detector battery last?
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In my experience I have not seen a motion detector that uses a battery as a power supply. But I do not doubt that they exist.
The majority of motion detector's use 24 VAC power supply directly wired into the buildings main power loop.
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ofberenonehand
 
location:
Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
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<Reply # 25 on 4/8/2005 8:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by nacho
The majority of motion detector's use 24 VAC power supply
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Do you mean 240 volt? That seems....strange. Maybe you mean 24 volt DC? That would also be a bit strange.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 26 on 4/8/2005 8:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by nacho
In my experience I have not seen a motion detector that uses a battery as a power supply. But I do not doubt that they exist.
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I've run into quite a few battery powered detectors...
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sephatista
location:
Colorado
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<Reply # 27 on 4/9/2005 9:47 PM >
| | | | any decent security system has a battery backup, usally capable of working anywhere from 6 48 hours.
the only real way to disable motion detectors without setting off the alarm itself is to get to the control panel(not the keypad) and either disarm the entire system or cut the trigger connection for the motion detectors. niether of which is a good idea.
i would suggest finding a decent hiding place in the woods nearby, don't take any wussy friends of friends, walk in and set off as many detectors as you can as fast as you can, then split and wait. if nobody shows up then most likely nobody cares.
motion detectors can be set for varying sensitivities, whether ultrasonic or infrared. they can be set to accept a certain % of change in what they monitor untill they trigger an alarm. this works well in filtering out small animals like birds, pests, cats etc. you can bet that if someone has a large animal such as a big dog on the premeses thier detectors don't work, are fake, or the zones the dog can access are turned off.
if someone has gone to the trouble of keeping a monitored alarm system active in an old building you probably shouldn't be there anyway as it's not really abandoned.
P.S. a mylar or other insulating suit will not make you undetectable.
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Louie
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<Reply # 28 on 4/11/2005 12:35 AM >
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Thats what we figured, but a couple of our group members (read: NEVER ue with friends' friends..) thought we were going to get arrested and refused to go back in. Thanks for the info, next trip is planned for 2 weeks from now.
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Thats good. So stand outside so the cops that won't come can arrest you.
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OttoL
location:
Pacific Northwest
Gender: Male
Renob
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<Reply # 29 on 4/11/2005 6:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
The idea is great except for the whole "cutting the phone line" part. That goes completely against the ethics of most explorers as it's damaging another person's property...
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Ethics? What ethics?... most explorers I know usually alway leave something behind to prove they where inside. Like Writing something in chalk or pen on the wall in an inconspicious area where other explorers will find it. Personally I dont care if I am damaging a large corporations property to tresspass, they have the dough to take care of it. I mean how do you explain people pulling off boards from boarded up doorways, and cutting chain link fences an all that? I guess they have no ethics as well... Whatever. I guess I live in another world from you.
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TheRev
location:
Ohio
Gender: Male
We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson...
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<Reply # 30 on 4/11/2005 7:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by OttoL
Ethics? What ethics?... most explorers I know usually alway leave something behind to prove they where inside. Like Writing something in chalk or pen on the wall in an inconspicious area where other explorers will find it. Personally I dont care if I am damaging a large corporations property to tresspass, they have the dough to take care of it. I mean how do you explain people pulling off boards from boarded up doorways, and cutting chain link fences an all that? I guess they have no ethics as well... Whatever. I guess I live in another world from you.
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Jeeba careeba, not this again.
back on topic, does anyone have experience with the cell-based security systems? They're used pretty frequently around here. Are they as reliable as landline-based systems?
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 31 on 4/11/2005 3:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by OttoL
Ethics? What ethics?... most explorers I know usually alway leave something behind to prove they where inside. Like Writing something in chalk or pen on the wall in an inconspicious area where other explorers will find it. Personally I dont care if I am damaging a large corporations property to tresspass, they have the dough to take care of it.
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There is no excuse for defacing property. You think just because it belongs to a company, that it's fine ? Do you not realize that companies with "the dough to take care of it" as you say, will also have the dough to step up security to protect the places better if they see that people are fucking them up ?
Posted by OttoL
I mean how do you explain people pulling off boards from boarded up doorways, and cutting chain link fences an all that? I guess they have no ethics as well... Whatever. I guess I live in another world from you.
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The *explorers* you're talking about are actually called vandals. People that cut fences are vandalizing, not exploring. If you think that is what it takes to explore, then yes, you do live in another world from me. Pulling off a board is fine if the board gets put back in place, leaving it as it was before you arrived. Simply tearing it down or cutting fences isn't ethical, and I can't see how you could even remotely confuse it with something that is.
On topic, how to get around detectors has been gone over before in quite some depth, and I'm pretty sure there was no real reliable solution brought up...
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nacho
location:
St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
| | Re: Motion Detectors in sites
<Reply # 32 on 4/11/2005 10:16 PM >
| | | | To get back on Subject:
Jester thanks for the pictures.
This is the product, I normally see specified by the design Engineers. 24VAC is considerably cheaper to install than 120V or 240V
http://www.wattsto...ml?id=20&catindx=1
But I am not a security expert, far from it. I just wanted to point out the motion detectors are installed for other purposes throughout new construction and retrofit projects. And just because there is a motion detector doesn't mean it is connected to a security system.
Hopefully someone is out there that will answer the questions that all of us (specifically "TheRev") are looking for
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EvilNick
location:
rochester new york
Gender: Male
It's only evil if they do it
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<Reply # 33 on 4/11/2005 11:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
I would try setting them off, then hiding. Wait a while, if no one shows up don't worry about them.
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Right and depending on the circumstances you could be waiting anywhere from 5 minutes till an hour for someone to show up.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 34 on 4/12/2005 12:08 AM >
| | | | I've observed targets for a few hours at a time on many occasions. If it's a place you want to see, it's worth it. Especially to know if you're going to get a visit from security or police while you're looking around...
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Servo
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<Reply # 35 on 4/12/2005 1:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by EvilNick
Right and depending on the circumstances you could be waiting anywhere from 5 minutes till an hour for someone to show up.
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Patience is a virtue...
But by all means, if you've got another idea let's have it.
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OttoL
location:
Pacific Northwest
Gender: Male
Renob
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<Reply # 36 on 4/12/2005 2:05 AM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
Patience is a virtue...
But by all means, if you've got another idea let's have it.
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You could also carry a scanner tuned to local police frqs. to see if anyone get dispatched. It would help to also have some of the alarm response frqs as well and moitor them too to see if a security patrol get sent out. Most Alarm companies usually call the "reponsible party" first when getting an alarm signal to make sure that it is not a false alarm, if no one answers or state that no one shold be in the premesis, the alarm company calls the police. Now in what amount of time it takes for the police to arrive all depends on where it is and how busy the police are with things of higher priority (you get thepicture)...
I still say cut the phone wire, and to be "ethical" you could splice the wire back when you leave. You could even bring a test rig to make sure that you have done it right. Just read up on some phreaking sites, they tell you all about how to do that one.
You ethics maniacs happier with that one?
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Servo
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<Reply # 37 on 4/12/2005 2:15 AM >
| | | | Posted by OttoL
I still say cut the phone wire, and to be "ethical" you could splice the wire back when you leave. You could even bring a test rig to make sure that you have done it right. Just read up on some phreaking sites, they tell you all about how to do that one.
You ethics maniacs happier with that one?
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For one thing, it's not even a matter of ethics if the system is cellular...
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HairyTheTaco
location:
The Hammer, Ontario
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 38 on 4/12/2005 2:22 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Not really true.These houses I explored were alarmed, and the alarms were monitored (which I know from watching the security arrive after setting the motion detector off), and all of the houses had at least one open or broken window on the upper levels.
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Now that is an eye opener!
Thanks for the info, now I know not to assume that.
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TheRev
location:
Ohio
Gender: Male
We go in like professionals, like Charles Bronson...
| | | Re: Motion Detectors in sites
<Reply # 39 on 4/12/2005 3:23 AM >
| | | | I found a company that made Cell Signal blockers (real name slips my mind at the moment) on the internet once, but I think they only sold to "diplomats" and "the military" and "people with legitimate purposes." That and knocking out cell service in a 4 block radius might get you in a bit more trouble that a trespass or B&E. Out of curiosity I sent them an email playing the "interested college student" line, but they never responded.
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