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nmwf509 \|	Paper Clip Lock Picks? < on 7/29/2003 8:45 PM >

	Has anyone here opened a lock with a paper clip lock pick. I would think its possible to open a simple lock like a file cabinet or somthing of that manor, but a house lock or a pad lock im not sure.

Freak location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 1 on 7/29/2003 9:59 PM >

	I can sometimes open simple locks with two paperclips, I was just screwing around and got lucky the first time, but I haven't been able to do it consistently since then. I can open the same kind of lock easily with real/homemade picks though. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137

Mochi location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose. \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 2 on 7/29/2003 10:14 PM >

	I've near actually picked a lock with paperclips, but I have released the bolt locking the door with a paper clip on several occasions. This only works on the doors where the lock mechanism is fully viewable from the side of the door you're on, typically only older doors are built like this. Slip a clip behind the lock (big safety pins work too), yank up steadily, and the lock slips loose. Then just turn the handle and open the door. I gained access to a few rooms at my local community college in this manner. Anybody know of some good places I could get tutorials on lock picking techniques? I've found nothing but crap so far. >_< Mochi, add a lock-pick seminar to the list of things to do at UrbXcoN2k4. JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!)

Freak location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 3 on 7/29/2003 11:45 PM >

	I've been using the MIT guide (http://www.lysator.liu.se/mit-guide/mit-guide.html) and getting good results, I still need a lot of practice though and I'm too ADD to keep with it for long periods. There are a few other information files online, sometimes surplus or gun stores/catalogs have "official" manuals, try to avoid the ones written by obvious nutters and look for genuine law enforcement manuals. Basically the secret is a lot of practice, buy a couple practice locks and work your way up step by step from picking them with one pin installed, two, etc. Then when you can pick them with all the pins in, change the order of the pins and try again. It takes a while. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137

reduxzero location: Edmonton, AB Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 4 on 7/30/2003 1:52 AM >

	I've opened a couple locks with a paperclip, using some other tool for a torque wrench. They were just simple locks, with a couple pins or a few wafers, of the type used on filing cabinets. For more complex locks, why bother with paper clips? With some actual lockpicks, you can get the door open in no time with little effort. As far as tutorials go: read the MIT guide. Practice picking, and then re-read the guide. Then practice forever more. Buy a lock and practice on it. There are some better tips I could give, but it depends on how much experience you have. reduxzero - DrainsofmyCity

nmwf509 \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 5 on 7/30/2003 2:59 AM >

	I have none, i am just starting and was wondering.

Rockman Noble Donor \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 6 on 7/30/2003 5:04 AM >

	It's theoretically possible with a paper clip or a safety pin. Break one in half, bend half of it into a tension wrench (probably some variation on a "P") and then use the other as a pick. A much better option, however, is a bobby pin like the one below. They're cheap as FUCK and so common that you should be able to find one with no problem if you know any girls. A dollar store should have packs of more than you could use in a lifetime. Take one and bend it into a right angle then use the wavy side as a tension wrench (the waves get a good grip on the lock). Then bend the other pin more or less straight and use the straight side to rake/pick the pins. Since they're far more rigid than safety pins they'll make much better picks. And they're really easy to carry with you, either stashed in clothing or in your hair. Or as a Money clip or something in your wallet, there isn't many things more innocent than a hair pin.

Akamu location: Richmond, VA Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 7 on 8/14/2003 10:55 PM >

	I suppose i'll throw something in... I doubt you can use paper clips on anything harder than a wafer lock; with pin tumblers, they usually just bend out of shape after you rake the pins a few times. Aluminum (at least, the sort you see in paper clips) isn't hard enough to hold up against the spring tension and maintain its shape. To make life a little more difficult, the tension wrench is almost bound to bend out of shape. Wafer locks are only really locks in the sense that they stop someone from forcing the cylinder to turn (with, say, a screwdriver); you should be able to pick them with paper clips and a minimum of finesse.

Corporeal Punishment location: Lima Center, WI Gender: Male Welcome to your heart... \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 8 on 8/15/2003 4:47 AM >

	I have used bobby pins with some measure of success on a few very simple locks, but nothing as complex as a door lock--mostly just filing cabinets and one cheaply made lockbox I used to have. Still, in a UE situation, there's no good reason not to have one handy.... Suit by Armani...Balls by King Kong. "Please do not offer my god a peanut"

Caput_58 location: Virginia, USA Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 9 on 8/15/2003 5:13 AM >

	I've actually opened a 5 pin (not wafer) lock with two paper clips. I was frankly amazed, even though it was a cheap kwikset level lock. Its not near as precise in feel or manipulation as real picks, basically all you can do is scrub and pray. The MIT guide is highly recommended, it's the thinking man's guide to lock picking. Oh ya, and for the record, I broke no laws opening the lock in question. Caput_58

Swartz \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 10 on 8/31/2003 8:23 PM >

	Hi, I've been browsing the boards for a little while and came across this thread so I thought I'd reveal something. You know those small gray metal safes that are rectangular and have a filing cabinet type lock?\ Well my dad used to stash porn in one all the time and I found out that by using clothes repair/sewing kit scissors (they're very very small and the blades are thin) you can simply put it right into the lock, turn, and it's open. I would imagine you could open filing cabinet locks with sewing kit scissors as well.

MacGyver location: St Paul, Minnesota Gender: Male "Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater" \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 11 on 8/31/2003 8:28 PM >

	I've always wanted to infiltrate a filing cabinet... Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine "If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent."

Swartz \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 12 on 8/31/2003 9:01 PM >

	lol, who knows, maybe you're in a place where theres like....cool stuff in a filing cabinet. Um...err.. GO FUCK YOURSELF BUDDY

j0lt

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Kobe, Japan
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Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks?
<Reply # 13 on 9/3/2003 5:48 PM >

Posted by Swartz
lol, who knows, maybe you're in a place where theres like....cool stuff in a filing cabinet.

Um...err.. <snip>

What an intelligent post. Thank you for your help in driving this forum straight to hell.

j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly!

Mochi location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose. \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 14 on 9/10/2003 10:44 PM >

	Oh, be nice. His swartz is tangled. >_< Mochi, just, just lift your leg, no, here... JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!)

Mister Hobbs

Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks?
<Reply # 15 on 10/28/2003 12:46 AM >

Posted by Freak

I've been using the MIT guide and getting good results, I still need a lot of practice though and I'm too ADD to keep with it for long periods. There are a few other information files online, sometimes surplus or gun stores/catalogs have "official" manuals, try to avoid the ones written by obvious nutters and look for genuine law enforcement manuals.

MIT Guide is an excellent source. I have a question though. Who do you consider to be an "obvious nutter" when it comes to writing lockpicking books?

Also, do you know of a "genuine law enforcement manual" on the subject?

Freak location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite \| \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 16 on 10/28/2003 2:36 AM >

	I just meant to avoid stuff with titles like "lockipicking, bombmaking, and anarchist ninja skills to defeat the shadow government". I tend to see a lot of paranoid survivalist publications that make their way into gun stores and catalogs, their information could be perfectly valid but I personally don't feel like spending money on them. Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137

Mister Hobbs \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 17 on 10/28/2003 11:57 AM >

	Yes, much to the detriment of good people who own guns and are interested in self-reliance and survival without all of the hooplah and nonsense. As for lockpicking information in them being valid or invalid, I could not tell you. I would lean towards them being the latter and not the former, however. I was wondering about your comments because I have heard people refer to some of the more "mainstream" lockpicking books in that way. "The Complete Guide to Lockpicking" by "Eddie the Wire" is one such book. I have actually heard people say he is a crackpot but the MIT Guide is great. The problem with that is, the anonymous person or persons who actually compiled what we now know as "The MIT Guide to Lockpicking" borrowed heavily from that book by "Eddie the Wire." The "Flatlands" model the MIT Guide uses, and which makes the subject easily explained, was actually in that 1981 book first. As for "law enforcement manuals" on this particular subject, I don't think there really is one. There have been small book(lets) written that had that somewhere in the title, but they were hardly "official" and never "adopted" by the law enforcement community in the way that they sometimes "adopt" other books and media. The MIT Guide is very good as books go and it's free, you can't beat that... [last edit 10/28/2003 11:58 AM by Mister Hobbs - edited 1 times]

Basic Black location: Southern Ontario Gender: Male Jumps from perfectly good airplanes. \|	Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks? <Reply # 18 on 10/29/2003 8:53 PM >

	...I don't know about cops...but early afer SEAL Team 6's formation (although it may have only been those selected for Red Cell only), the operatives were said to have sought 'professional' help on the skill...i.e. learning from pro criminals...rumor had it that they could consistently bypass almost any lock in less than six seconds...not too shabby. Although, I'm not sure how many of us would seek this same curicculem. Yes, the internet and practice...provide more peace of mind. Join or Die

Mister Hobbs

Re: Paper Clip Lock Picks?
<Reply # 19 on 10/30/2003 10:09 AM >

Posted by Baisic Black

...I don't know about cops...but early afer SEAL Team 6's formation (although it may have only been those selected for Red Cell only), the operatives were said to have sought 'professional' help on the skill...i.e. learning from pro criminals...

SEAL Team 6 as well as Delta (CAG) get some of their instruction from private contractors that are not criminals. There are private companies that teach incredibly advanced lock bypassing/manipulation courses.

Did Marcinko go to the underworld for some instruction? Who knows? I do know there is a lot of hyperbole in his books and he has basically been discredited in some of what he says by other Navy SEALs, take it for what it is worth.

...rumor had it that they could consistently bypass almost any lock in less than six seconds...not too shabby.

Yeah, that would only be a rumor to, I assure you. These guys are professionals, but they're not supermen. If I set down 15 - 5 pin tumbler Master Padlocks and a like number of Kwikset deadbolts and I have a Lock-Aid Pick Gun or a good Electrical Vibration Pick, I could make the same claim. "Most locks?" That's the creation of legends, the guys are good, no one is that good to make the claim over the vast spectrum of locks they train to defeat if they encounter them.

One former Navy SEAL just convicted of murder picked a lock in a jail or detention center, he did not escape, but he did manage to obtain some sort of material(s) to fabricate some improvised picks... His name was Benjamin Sifrit.

"Sifrit, 25, sat at the defense table in a suit and no handcuffs, a stark contrast to a motions hearing earlier this month when sheriff's deputies refused to remove his shackles. A former Navy SEAL, Sifrit had once picked the lock of his cell, authorities said."

http://www.news8.net/news/stories/0303/81180.html

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