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Maverick
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< on 7/12/2003 11:51 AM >
|  | | | .... I have been on this site for about 2 days constantly reading many posts. The things that are said are damn near rediculious at times. Others are very good opinions. I'm gonna try to lay the smack down with clothing. When it comes right down to it wear clothers that are loose fitting (not baggy) and work for you. For you I'm gonna call hippy guys with the long hair and the converse loveing goodness, dont get roped into the idea you got to look like some combat specialest. I'll address the guys/gals who like the military stuff in a bit.
Clothing is protection and there are a few basic things we have to think about.
1. My biggest pet pieve that no one talks about on here. DONT WEAR ANYTHING FLAMIABLE. That goes for shirts and balaclava's (IE ski masks). If you need a mask your probably not just infiltarting safe places, which means if there is a accident with heat then you turn out with horrible scars. NOMEX hoods are what you need. That or cotton etc. Also the fabric itself makes a differnece. Tightly woven fabric burns a lot less fast then your grandma's cotton knitted pull over.
2. Foot apparel. Most of you guys by now know how crucial it is. You want light semi flexible leather style shoes or boots. Now I have done some freaky daring things in my life and mostly with combat boots. However my combat boots have been redone for water infiltration, silent movement, and no foot print tricks. This may not be necessary as I know a few of you guys arent military inclined which is cool. Go get yourself some nice shoes that fit. For the rest of you guys if your gonna go boot, go steel toe. Maybe a pair of bates etc.
3. Head gear vs painted face. Look I wont go into details lets say I have done things that isnt infiltartion, and no time did I NEED to paint my face. Let's face it face painting is a serious waste of time and energy. If you truely need to black your face throw Mask on and paint in around eyes etc. I'm sure a few of you nuckle heads have gone out with the photo face I call it. They paint the front like a 2D screen. THey forget the ears the neck, behind the ears. Also what hurts my feelings is these guys do that but dont paint there bare hands. Thats just lazy and stupid if your gonna go the face paint do it right and all the way. Am I saying put down the camo paint.... NO I am saying you better damn well justify it because its only for truely necesary things.
4. Your belt. OHH man can I go on about this and tangent off to proper gear. I have probably done more harrowing things then 95% of the people that have seen this site. I also am not always a true infiltrator. This means two things. One I carry more stuff for more reasons then to look cool. Two I got a damn good idea of what you really need when your trapped in confied space, or being chased by a K9 unit.... Yes you can get away, thats another story. See tangents I appoligize. I rarely ever go out with out my black safety belt. For all you guys who climb and the real repelers that love going ausie off a 5-10 story building you know what they are. Safety belts are designed for a rescue off a rope. Say your figure 8 loops or you get all tangled up then its nice to be able to cut your harness free and come down on your belt. It isnt fun but works. (NOTE if you do this shit learn knots if your dealing with elevation. That and some basic phsyics like the 3to1 Z drag.) Now say a guy in your party falls in a whole and cant get up you and your trusty 3 strings of paracord can atempt a successful recscue. Go buy a safety belt people.
to be continued after some sleep....
READERS NOTE. No Im not a picture taking infiltrator. However I like what you guys do and respect what you do as I started off doing it for fun. I post this info not to inflaim but to help you guys out. Also note that this is not a post at anyone person. Also the people who gave the kids shit about the infiltration suit... that wasnt cool he was asking a lagtiment question, he just fraised it improperly. I know I asked the same dumb question to a x Navy Seal friend. He gave me the right answer and exsplained what I should have asked.
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MacGyver
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<Reply # 1 on 7/12/2003 1:03 PM >
| | | | Thanks for the info, and welcome to the boards. You explain that you are not the same kind of enthusiast that a lot of us are. You leave me curious; what exactly do you do? I'm not goona bitch you out or anything (maybe have a nice discussion) but I'm just wondering.
Krazy
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
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Pyrodesiac
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TNT can make a dull day fun!
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<Reply # 2 on 7/12/2003 2:21 PM >
| | | | Why would you need a fireproof mask?
Only turkies have left wings.
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Chud
Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...
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<Reply # 3 on 7/12/2003 2:40 PM >
| | | | What, pray tell, are your qualifications for telling us this? You are an admitted non-Explorer, and your spelling is horrid. While spelling and qualification should have nothing to do with each other, having a well-written post lends worlds of credibility to your message. Just as no politicians speak in ebonics or hick accents, no one who is writing a message should use "teh funnay tlak," which you are bordering on at times.
Why would you tell us not to wear anything flammable? Rarely if ever will an explorer find his way into a place with ambient temperatures high enough to cause spontaneous-balaclava-combustion. Even if he does find a machine or pipe hot enough to ignite clothing, he will generally be smart enough not to touch it (Agent.Smith excluded).
When it comes to shoes, there is no shoe or boot that will be perfect for every situation. Your precious combat boots may be great for an abandoned prison or mill, but when you try to go into a live infiltration, you're going to look like a rare type of idiot. Same as if you took your dress shoes into a drain, or your hip-waders to an abandonment.
Show me the Explorer who thinks face-painting is a good idea, and I'll show you Agent.Smith.
I'm not sure what sort of badass urban comando fantasy you're living, but Explorers don't usually jump out of airplanes, run around and kill all the security guards, then go in and snag the diamonds, then escape in a large explosion with rock music playing in the background. A safety belt may be nice for times when rope climbing is required, but that's not too common, and when it does occur you can just go back home for your gear. You say you never go out without your belt. Does that mean you wear it to get groceries or go to church? You must get a lot of funny looks...
Let me just end by saying that we at these boards in general will argue about whether or not taking a few trinkets is permissable, but a jewel theif/t*rr*r*st/assassin will most likely be eaten alive. Just something to think about, before you start making fun of us kids and our little games.
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Cave
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<Reply # 4 on 7/12/2003 2:46 PM >
| | | | I've been considering thinking of either buy a regular ski-mask or a nomex one and this post made the choice for me.
Thanks for this great post dude 
EDIT:
@chud-bait: Rather be prepared for unlikely situations than to stand there unprepared when the situation arises. And is that the way to greet a newcomer to the forum? :/
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Chud
Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd...
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<Reply # 5 on 7/12/2003 3:24 PM >
| | | | A newcomer who practically admits to being a hardcore criminal (ie, worse stuff than trespassing or even B&E) while giving no explaination as to what he was hinting at? I think it is.
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Allva
 
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Gender: Male
I have my moments.
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<Reply # 6 on 7/12/2003 4:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by Maverick
.... I have been on this site for about 2 days constantly reading many posts. The things that are said are damn near rediculious at times. Others are very good opinions. I'm gonna try to lay the smack down with clothing. When it comes right down to it wear clothers that are loose fitting (not baggy) and work for you. For you I'm gonna call hippy guys with the long hair and the converse loveing goodness, dont get roped into the idea you got to look like some combat specialest. I'll address the guys/gals who like the military stuff in a bit.
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I get disturbed by this person's disregard for English language...How old are you? Sorry, but I just don't see you "exploring" anything....except maybe a couch and a TV guide.Actually if I did not know better, I would say that this character is not who they say they are...Re-read his message carefully....and that's all I'm going to say about it.
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Jester
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Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 7 on 7/12/2003 4:56 PM >
| | | | Ok, Maverick, lets see here...
1. Infiltrating a place that "isn't safe" automatically means fire hazard ? In all my explorations, not once have I been anywhere that would be a risk for myself or anything I was wearing to spontaneously combust...
2. Footwear is so mission specific. If your boots do exist, then they are a great piece of gear, but will still lose to a Tabi in a thin rope climb with no harness or other gear. Other than that, they sound very multi-purpose for a lot of missions, but not all. Sometimes you need to blend in, whether thats sandals if you're infiltrating a theme party in a hotel, or dress shoes for appearing like eberyone else in an office building.
3. I don't see a need for face paint, a mask will cover well and block the vast majority of light reflection from your skin. When I've been under close scrutiny, I just keep my hands up near my eyes so I have a view, but from a distance of 6' or more you won't see any bit of a skin reflection.
4. Since I haven't been going 5-10 stories up or down, the belt's not necessary. In all of my climbs, my gear is at most grappling hook, rope, tabi, gloves. Thats it. If I was going to rappel any actual distance, I would use proper gear though, but I'm not going to wear it all the time just to feel cool.
As for harrowing things you've done, maybe you've done more than anyone else here, I don't know. I've swam in a swamp with alligators in view around me, caught poisonous snakes (water mocasins) with my bare hands and no protection, put down my motorcycle at 60 and slid under a railway guard rail coming down across the tracks just before the train blew through, made tough climbs with very minimal gear, etc,etc. Doing harrowing things does not mean that any one piece of gear is perfect for every situation, or even needed in a lot of them.
In certain situations, yes, you've made great points, but in others, it's like asking a guy in the desert to make sure he took his life jacket with him...
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NoSuchPerson
  
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
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<Reply # 8 on 7/12/2003 5:59 PM >
| | | | Well, so you people know where I'm coming from:
I've taken several survival courses through several Search and Rescue groups, wildlife extrication courses through Emergency Prepardness Canada, as well as 5 years as a scout leader, volunteer with various police/fire services' Land/Sea/Air Search and Rescue Units, as well as the Canadian Coast Guard Auxiliary SAR groups.
Here's my response to this guy's post:
1) If you're doing the kind of infiltration that presents a fire risk,
you're probably way above the "amateur infiltrator" level. Nomex,
while very good, is probably over-kill, both in price and capability
for most infiltrators. Personally, I don't use masks of any type,
not because I'm worried about being seen, but if a police officer
stops you and sees a mask on you, he/she will get very curious, unless
it happens to be 20 below out.
2) For foot apparel, I generally stick to a pair of Terra Wild-Siders,
which are a black boot, with a nice steel toe, as well as a steel
shank protecting the bottom of your feet, so if you step on a nail
or some such, it won't do anything to you. These boots are also very
popular with law enforcement, fire services and EMS, because they are
very light-weight, but give you a high level of protection. Tabi boots
are great for climbing fences and such, but, step on a nail and you'll
wish you had something else.
3) Head gear / Painted Face. Come on, what is this, Rambo? I mean, do
you REALLY need a painted face? Part of the fun for infiltrating is the
"not get caught" (or... "not get dead") part. If you DO get caught with
a painted face, chances are, the police/security will nail your arse to
the wall, plus you will give the police reasonable grounds to search
you and/or your vehicle, and possibly arrest you. I'd just cover your
face with your hands.
4) The Belt. Well, when I "inf", I usually wear black jeans and a dark
colour t-shirt, so just a regular belt works fine for me. I don't
carry much equipment on it - a radio, pager, gloves/bandagages, but thats
about it. I do have a heavy-duty 2 inch nylon belt I COULD wear, but
I tend to go for the "if I get seen, I won't stand out" look.
5) Gloves. This wasn't mentioned, but I think it's really important.
If I'm doing an inf. on a building I know nothing about, I usually
wear my thick leather work gloves. I also try to carry a few others
in my backpack - rubber chemical-proof gloves, latex surgical gloves,
fishing gloves (amazing grip), as well as my thick work gloves.
6) Respirators - again, not mentioned. I ALWAYS carry my NIOSH Purple
respirator. This protects against, umong other things, Asbestos. That
is about the biggest risk in an old building. Other things, like
sulphur dioxide, hydrogen sulfate, etc... you can smell with your
own senses, so you should know when to get out.
Any comments?
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Maverick
location:
South Carolina
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<Reply # 9 on 7/12/2003 6:55 PM >
| | | | yes I am not your average died in the wool exsplorer I use to exsplore every day of my life. I started when I was twelve and really havent stopped now. As for the criminal no ones dead I dont steal shit and if you think an assassin is going to tell you tips your sadly mistaken. Infact I the reason I say Im not a exsplorer is becuase I dont go in for pictures, I go in for training. I started off wanting to do special forces, and infiltration was a way to go out sneak around and see if I got cuaght. Then a few friends and I practed room clearing techniques, as we dont have a swat house handy. Then we started infiltrating live buildings with security, and worked are way up to daylight infiltration. I have been known to scare the hell out of people. I also did bug planting for a private investagator (who was damn good at it I might add). Yeah Im not a polished holly person but the first person who says I'm unlawful should shut there mouth your tresspassing. No if ands or buts about it your a criminal, now I aggree with you I think its not a bad thing I respect what you do and I like the pictures. A few of you need not be so stuck up, the rest of you that are nice I appreciate your welcome and I hope I can pass on info and learn info from all of you.
I can't spell well because I just can't also I am auditory learner and my english verbally probably surpasses many of you. I am sorry that you think my education is low because you lack the ability to see spelling isnt everything. YES my english is bad and yes thats effected a few college papers. If you think I havent done the stuff I say I have look at the proof. Obviously I know some stuff because most of the things I say follow suit with good advice on here. Grammer can be a sign of intelligence, however coming off a 12 hour shift of hard work and posting isnt bright eather.
For the people who go down in tunnels you better wear fireproof crap. I would love to show you a picture of the one kid who got one of those walmart brand face maskes burned to his face because he wanted a smoke. (HMMM maybe thats why I said dont wear it) Not to mention the grease and oils and chemicals left at wherehouses. My parents were firefighters thats why I am fire aware. Also you havent been at the top of a two story house when some punk kid tried to burn it down. Many of you will never have that happen, even less of you will here about it in the news. IT COULD happen please be safe is all I am saying.
As for the face paint if you read your forum you would see the post and discussion about and I so I suggest ya back off abit because I am saying its dumb as well. You obviously aggree.
Like I was trying to say many of you know what your doing. Others post and are plain ignorent. I brought up the face paint becuase it was stated in another spot. I also stated the extreme end of things because I use to enter buildings that colapsed. YES you dont need all this. NO its not all worth it all the time. However if you go in a building and dont know the roof is going to cave in your SOL.
There are many good people on here, but you know what when a dumb question is asked. Or someone like me who cant articulate as well for verious reasons come on you shun them. Or the people that are kinda a little more unlawful then you you shun them. Maybe if your were curtious and exsplained they may do less damage to your buildings there for allow infiltration to continue without massive police intervention.
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Maverick
location:
South Carolina
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<Reply # 10 on 7/12/2003 7:02 PM >
| | | | You know what I'm not going to get all angrey at a few people here who cant be nice. Thank you for many interested replys and own takes on things. I'm glad to help if I can and I know are interests wont always conside, but I hope to better help people from my exsperince which may not be as large as some of you guys. I also hope to learn and enjoy from your photos. You guys have a nice day.
Personally I dont care if you wear tabi's but heres what a friend of mine said that reads these but doesnt care to post. this was from a IM conversation.
Tabi were used in japan as SOCKS not footwear so they could tie there sandals on properly. The jikka tabi which is what they are talking about with the sole came about during the ninja boom and is something that ninja's never even wore. The split toe has nothing to do with extra stealth only to tie on those thong sandals they used to wear. Plus having on "ninja shoes" and a cop sees you is really going to raise questions
Since I had to defend myself which I am sorry about for those of you seeking knowledge or want a friendly debate about my ideas. I'll add some more later but I really need to go shoot some qualification rounds for a competition.
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konk
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Toronto ON
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 11 on 7/12/2003 7:08 PM >
| | | | ^ Welcome to the boards, hope to see some of your input.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 12 on 7/12/2003 7:46 PM >
| | | | Posted by Maverick
Personally I dont care if you wear tabi's but heres what a friend of mine said that reads these but doesnt care to post. this was from a IM conversation.
Tabi were used in japan as SOCKS not footwear so they could tie there sandals on properly. The jikka tabi which is what they are talking about with the sole came about during the ninja boom and is something that ninja's never even wore. The split toe has nothing to do with extra stealth only to tie on those thong sandals they used to wear. Plus having on "ninja shoes" and a cop sees you is really going to raise questions
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Maverick
Well, personally I don't care if you wear your combat boots or snowshoes. You posted your opinion, I posted mine.
Well, I don't seem to recall myself saying anything like "oohhh, ninjas wear these uber stealth tabi" when talking about Tabi. Nor have I said anything about them being the best multi-purpose footwear.Nor did I say anything about them being more stealthy because of the split toe. They are stealthy because they are thin fit, nice flexible soles that move as you do. The split toe and flexible sole gives you excellent climbing benefits. A narrow rope that would be a bitch to climb, even with it knotted for grip, becomes far easier as your split toes can now go around the thin rope. If you or your friend doubt this, then go buy a pair, try it out, and then come back to me... I have climbed in all manner of footwear and gear, and nothing has been more effective on am essentially unaided climb (no harness etc.).
And you "wanted to be special forces" ? so you run around playing at it ?
Exkalibur
I am well aware, and have made it pretty clear in any Tabi discussion, that they don't protect the feet. Yes, if I step on a nail, it'll be my fault for wearing them. But if I'm wearing combat boots, and get stuck inside a place and can't climb out because of the boots, I will probably be even sorrier. I'll take a nail in the foot over being stuck inside a secure place waiting for the authorities to come take me out of there...
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Maverick
location:
South Carolina
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<Reply # 13 on 7/12/2003 10:17 PM >
| | | | Naaa I am not giving you shit I was just passing info on man. I was just passing the info on no offense I actually think there kinda cool. I just have been around a lot of people who are in "ninjitsu" trained but they
arent trained by the real guys. I'm kinda condesending against them, but I have met some real guys who got real ninjitsu training. Sorry about that.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 14 on 7/12/2003 10:25 PM >
| | | | To me it really doesn't matter if ninja's wore Tabi or circus clowns wore them. I wear them, when appropriate, for the benefits they provide.
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Maverick
location:
South Carolina
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<Reply # 15 on 7/13/2003 3:42 AM >
| | | | Exkaliber (SP) I liked the boots you have wish I had a pair. As for climbing with boots you can rough up the soles with rough sandpaper/cetian files. I have chimnied at table rock NC in them and also have climbed with them. I own a pair of climbing shoes and prefer them for climbing but dont like nails in my feet.
heres my second instalation of what I have learned through years of exsperince. Some of this wont pertain to you guys because of what you do or dont do.
Clothing color is another big issue. Or at least can be exspecially if your off doing the things I do. I first started of first started of with standard military camo, as they were rugged and covered my body well. After about a year of that though I started needing more civilian clothes. I also started talking to my navy seal buddy, a spetsnaz guy, and some rangers marines and the like. Each had a different outake on things. I'll give you a little break down of what each group told me and my exsperince it may help you choose the right clothes for the more... hazardous/public ops.
The rangers and marines were all about the camo, for my purposes I generally reserve thoughs for overgrown areas etc obviously. Here's a little trick delta did. Most of you probably dont know solid black is about the worst color to have at night.... I'll exsplain in a bit. Delta during there x few years of exsitance took there woodland BDU uniforms and died them black. Generally black and night is much darker then the starlight abimant light you will be in. This makes you more obvious to the causaly observer. However with the underlieing colors of the BDU's it broke the black up into shades making it highly effective. Neat trick huh. Please take the time to learn about dieing clothes or ask me before you do this. It will absolutely ruin your next load of clothes..... I exsperinced that with my military BDU's I washed after by accident, luckly the darkening is only noticeble in close inspection.
My buddy we will call SEAL has been out for 20 odd years. I wont go into his past because half of you wouldnt believe him. Infact I damn near said bulshit untill I got proof. Lets just say he ran with some top notch people. I was asking him about stealth stalking etc and of cource what they wore. I had purchased a black ranger tac vest for all the amenities I carried. He said generally on the more urbanesque ops they wore black shirts (somtimes a black BDU top) and jeans. Then again with what he did it made sense. I started using that hevely. It cost less then BDU's at the time and worked suprisinly well. Also it ment I could ditch my gear and walk on the street for the most part.
The spetsnaz guy or MVD who I havent known for more then about two years got the same battery of questions except this time I knew what to ask. He went roughly through russian cammo. Such as the urban stuff etc. Personally I think theres breaks up better in the US. Then again we made ares for the german forests they made theres for the US forests. (That dosent always hold true) Now heres why both sides have the blue colored BDU's you thought were only around for the thug fashion. Blue at night turns black.... It does this very well because of the cones in are eyes etc. I wont go into detail if you dont belive me test the it out. So I dont want to here the logical thought that black is darker there for it must work better crap.
friend called will modify later.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 16 on 7/13/2003 3:58 AM >
| | | | Maverick....
Believe it or not, quite a few of us do know a good deal about what colors work for concealment. If you were to look waaayyyyyy back in the forum somewhere, months ago, I explained to some people about my own camo. I found that one of the prototype color patterns the US army was testing for use in the Vietnam war is quite good, for my area. A slight variation that's easy to make is by taking the typical green/brown/black camo and dying it with a Navy blue dye. This comes out with this...
I've been feet away from security searching for me, and remained hidden with this shade of camo. But at different times of year, variations on your colors would be optimal.
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Maverick
location:
South Carolina
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<Reply # 17 on 7/13/2003 6:20 AM >
| | | | Yeah I saw the pictures on your site. I figured some of that had been gone over. THere has been a few threads recently (I guess in the last few weeks) about clothes thats why I have been defining things I know. I also figured I could get some feed back. By the way where did you pic up your camo?
Back in my golf ball stealing days on golf cources I had a guy looking straight into my eyes and never see me due to the camo and the improvized limbs I cracked over. My best friend and I sat there for about 2 minutes as they looked right at us are backs against the fence are feet covered by pinestraw. I also have had cops step on me. I think some of it is camo and some of it is luck to.
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Mochi
location:
West Jordan, Utah
Gender: Male
Stare deep into a kitty's nose.
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<Reply # 18 on 7/13/2003 9:42 AM >
| | | | Welcome to the boards, Mav. Nice to see someone who seems to know what they're talking about here. We can always use more of them to make up for some of the shit-brained ones we get here... (Made-Up Example: Wher are teh c00l abndoned plac3s, y0?!! Fi77 m3 in oor suffeR!! LOL OMG WTF!!!)
I can't see the people in those pictures, Jester. Is that the point or is it just a bad image? Or maybe my eyes just hurt from starring at a computer screen for the last 5 hours.
>_< Mochi, there's too much panic in this town.
PS - Thumbs up to the earlier Agent.Smith jokes. We're too harsh to him, IMO.
JESUS SAVES!!!
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Pyrodesiac
location:
NL, Canada
Gender: Male
TNT can make a dull day fun!
| | | Re: Dealing with clothes concealment and protection of the body
<Reply # 19 on 7/13/2003 3:48 PM >
| | | | The temperatures that cotton burns at are about the same as hair. Should we all shave ourselves completely bald? Everywhere? Sorry. As for arousing suspicion by wearing ninja/combat boots, I'd have to disagree. Cops don't look for people wearing boots to arrest, I always wear combats, pretty much everywhere. Wearing other things could help with a costume, but combats look almost just like work boots, except for the tops, which are covered by pants anyway. I've always thought ninja boots looked almost like water socks, except not a colorful...
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