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matr0x location: Ottawa, ON Gender: Male \|	Police Scanners < on 5/24/2003 11:35 PM >

	Im just wondering, where can you buy police scanners, and do they still work now a days? I find it hard to believe that you can just go to a store such as Radio Shack, and buy something that will pick up everything the police hear and say on their radios. Wouldn't they now have some new radios that are encrypted or something?

Pyrodesiac location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun! \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 1 on 5/25/2003 12:18 AM >

	I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is illegal. You'd have to DIY. Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

ya t7911 location: Athens, Georgia, US of A Gender: Male \| \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 2 on 5/25/2003 1:44 AM >

	from what i've heard... police scanners don't listen to the frequencies like you would tune in your am/fm radio... they monitor a group of frequenices for activity. if there is activity with a strong signal, the scanner beeps at you. it tells you police are nearby and using their radios, but thats it. thats just what i've heard though. i think its accurate, but i'm not positive. t7911. there are many paths to the mountain. http://www.yellowalbert.net urban exploration of georgia and the southeast US

NoSuchPerson Stop, or I'll ask you again! \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 3 on 5/25/2003 2:31 AM >

	It depends. There's 2 basic flavours of radio technologies - conventional and trunked. Conventional is the traditional radio to radio style, like a CB, of sorts. Trunked works semi-like a cellphone system, where it hopps frequencies every so often, making it hard to follow. This is a super-dumbed down explanation of it, but none the less. Encrypted transmissions...forget it. I'm too lazy to type more -Ex Unit calling radio say again?

CMH Gender: Male \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 4 on 5/25/2003 7:30 PM >

	Beat me to it Ex.. "I'm pretty sure what you're talking about is illegal. You'd have to DIY." No it's not illegal, not at all. Go to radio shack and get a trunk tracking scanner. I'm pretty sure trunking scanners also track non-trunking systems. Or go to the pawn shop and get one for cheaper. Most larger cities used trunked systems, but many smaller cities in the US still have the standart 1-frequency system. http://www.cityfreq.com:81/ Go there and get scanner frequencies. "It's funnier that way."

NoSuchPerson Stop, or I'll ask you again! \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 5 on 5/26/2003 7:14 PM >

	Negative. In Canada, if you are using a scanner to avoid getting caught, you WILL get in massive shit. It's a criminal offence. -Ex Unit calling radio say again?

Chud Try a 211, you'll just get 187'd... \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 6 on 5/26/2003 9:31 PM >

	Only if your scanner failed to do what it was supposed to... Nobody will not agree with the Russians, ever on anything. -Kimmo

Shane Moderator location: Bronx, NY Gender: Male \| \| \| \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 7 on 5/27/2003 1:39 AM >

	Well, it would be pretty neat if you had some people in like a van outside of the site with a scanner, and had them relay info to you via FRS or GMRS radios. They could also just keep visual tabs on the site or security guards and let you know of stuff. Then when the first team is done, you can switch and then the team that was inside monitors and the other team explores. I've been trying to put something like this together for a bit, and I think it would be pretty cool. "Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk

came location: mtl \| \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 8 on 5/28/2003 6:54 PM >

	when i was living in Moscow, me and my friend, we bought 2 soviet army-made walkie-talkies... every time we were catching police frequences %) ---

konk

location:
Toronto ON
Gender: Male

Re: Police Scanners
<Reply # 9 on 5/30/2003 5:31 PM >

Negative.

In Canada, if you are using a scanner to avoid getting caught, you WILL get in massive shit. It's a criminal offence.

It is not a criminal offence to use a scanner. So, they basically have to prove that your intent to use the scanner was to avoid being caught. Some people like me just like to listen in and hear whats going on around town.

Any ham radio scanner can pick up police frequencies.
It is a criminal offense to broadcast on those frequencies however.
As I posted elsewhere though, my local cops no longer use these freqs, they went digital =( now I can only listen to the Mounties.

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Caput_58 location: Virginia, USA Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 10 on 5/31/2003 5:29 AM >

	Keep in mind that the burden of proving intent doesn't always lie with the prosecution. If you are found in a building at night, in many localities, the intent to burglarize is automatically implied, just as the intent to use that crow bar as a burglary tool is implied. It may not be fair, but in any case, I would not want to be caught with a scanner. I like the outside monitoring team idea though. Caput_58

konk location: Toronto ON Gender: Male \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 11 on 5/31/2003 8:35 PM >

	I'm sure if you were a member of your local ham radio club, and they found out you were being charged for using a scanner, there would be a large outcry.

Pyrodesiac location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun! \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 12 on 6/1/2003 5:35 PM >

	No, I was right the first time. Under Canada's new terrorism laws it's "espionage", along with just about everything else you can think of... Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

konk location: Toronto ON Gender: Male \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 13 on 6/1/2003 8:34 PM >

	Back it up with a link at least. I listen to police on scanners all the f**king time, as do many amatuer radio enthusiasts.

Pyrodesiac location: NL, Canada Gender: Male TNT can make a dull day fun! \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 14 on 6/1/2003 11:10 PM >

	Lots of people do it. just because it's illegal dosen't mean it's impossible. Only turkies have left wings. Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

The Dark One

location:
Montreal, Quebec
Gender: Male

Twist

Re: Police Scanners
<Reply # 15 on 6/2/2003 2:53 AM >

Posted by Caput_58
Keep in mind that the burden of proving intent doesn't always lie with the prosecution.

A little off topic, but I was reading about this guy the CSIS wants to deport.

They used a 'security certificate' which means that he hasn't been charged with anything, but both sides have to go into court to try to state their case as to why they think the guy in custody should stay/leave.

The only hitch is that because National Security is involved, the government doesn't have to show the guy the evidence that they feel should be kept secret... he just has to prove as best he can that he sould stay.

Now, it makes sense if the guy really IS a terrorist, but how can anyone know if the evidence isn't being shown to anyone but the judge?
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Noah Vale location: Portland, Or It's nobler to never get paid, than to bank on shit and dismay \| \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 16 on 6/2/2003 4:27 PM >

	check on your local newspapers website, the one here in town has a link to listen to the police dispatch. and i guess if you had someone who was willing to stay at home and listen to the scanner and call you on the cell while you are out exploring if anything came up. "Dallas is a magnificent and wide open city, and I'm deeply envious of any urban explorers who have the good fortune to live there." -Ninj.

konk

location:
Toronto ON
Gender: Male

Re: Police Scanners
<Reply # 17 on 6/3/2003 12:09 AM >

Lots of people do it. just because it's illegal dosen't mean it's impossible.

I guess, technically thats true. I mean, it is illegal to jaywalk.
I'm going to talk to a Ham'er I know about it though, because I cannot believe it. Scanners do not need to be modified to listen to police frequencies, and while scanning amateur frequencies, can come across police freqs.

I know that is *IS* illegal to listen in to radio-based (analog) cell phone frequencies though.
CCC, section 184.5
and, even then if a HAM license has anything to do with the solicitor general, then 191.2.d clears them.

So, again, unless you have something to back it up (specifically, a part of the Canadian criminal code), then I'll tend NOT to believe you.

Alison_ca location: Kamloops, BC Gender: Female \| \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 18 on 6/3/2003 5:39 AM >

	I have a scanner at home, I listen to the police, ambulance, and fire stations all the time... all I have to do is press a button, it scans the channels and it picks their frequencys up

matr0x location: Ottawa, ON Gender: Male \|	Re: Police Scanners <Reply # 19 on 6/14/2003 5:50 AM >

	What is the make and model of your scanner?

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