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 swatdaddy33
Location: southern Indiana (vincennes)
Gender: Male
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< on 5/10/2011 1:01 AM >
|  | | | I used to think that carrying my glock was cool. but the older I got I realized that it was stupid. One Glocks are not cheap. And two I would hate to be disarmed and killed with my own pistol so it's not worth even carrying any more when doing missions. Any feedback?
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Captain_Slow
     
The infamous Buttram Manfist
Location: Dallas, Tx
Gender: Male
Obviously capable of mediocre things.
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<Reply # 1 on 5/10/2011 1:15 AM >
|  | | | The only thing I, or anyone I will willingly explore with, should carry is a small pocketknife and a can of wasp spray.
Wasp spray is awesome, it temporarily blinds a human, but won't cause permanent blindness, it's freaking painful, enough to stop someone, but it's not crippling like pepper spray. Plus, pepper spray shoots 10' and comes out finer that wasp spray, meaning if it's windy, it can blow back on you. Also, pepper spray tends to linger in a room irritating you, too. Wasp spray, however, shoots 15'-20', and won't blow back on you. Plus, it's nice to have for wasps and costs $3.
Small knives are all around a good thing to have, it's a great way to defend yourself if you don't have wasp spray, and they're useful for all sorts of crap like opening stuff, eh, you know, knife stuff.
Anyone who carries a gun into an abandonment is an idiot, in my opinion, because at least here in the states, whether or not you have a CHL, if you get caught and are about to give you a ticket, a gun will automatically bump it up to criminal trespass instead of simple trespass, a misdemeanor instead of a violation. Also, our best defense as explorers against the law is to just be as honest as possible and say you're a photographer interested in the building and not a crackhead/drugdealer... Lost, stupid photographers with poor taste in locations don't carry guns, but drug dealers and meth cooks do, eh? Plus, the idea of getting disarmed of my wasp spray and having turned against me sucks but I'll live. If someone takes my Beretta? See you in the afterlife.
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Rinzler
  
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
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<Reply # 2 on 5/10/2011 1:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by swatdaddy33
I used to think that carrying my glock was cool. but the older I got I realized that it was stupid. One Glocks are not cheap. And two I would hate to be disarmed and killed with my own pistol so it's not worth even carrying any more when doing missions. Any feedback?
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Missions?
Are you raiding a suspected drug dealers house or taking pictures of lonely chairs in hallway?
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NiiCKx3
Location: W.V.
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<Reply # 3 on 5/10/2011 2:20 AM >
| | | | I always have a pocket knife with me which ranges from a 3" blade to a 3.75" blade. For exploring I have a Ka Bar in my bag, but not really for protection, just because it's good to have a sturdy fixed blade especially if you're going into any wilderness. It's not where I could quickly access it to defend myself, and I know nothing about fighting with knives and would probably cut myself worse than the other person.
I don't really see any need for protection as the people you will likely encounter are either: homeless, but able to be reasoned with; homeless, crazy, but probably not hard to escape from or outsmart; junkies who are easily outsmarted and escaped; other explorers who would presumably be friendly, or at least neutral; meth/crack cookers who would probably outnumber and out arm you anyways unless you're a SWAT team. Plus, like mentioned above, a weapon makes things worse if you're ever caught and hard to explain away.
Less breaking, more entering -- *tells cop we're taking pictures* "OF WUUUUT?!" |
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jonrev
Location: Lake Wazzapamani
Gender: Male
Observer of obsolesence
| | ![[jonrevProjects]](forum/www.gif) | Re: Weapons
<Reply # 4 on 5/10/2011 3:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by Captain_Slow
The only thing I, or anyone I will willingly explore with, should carry is a small pocketknife and a can of wasp spray.
Wasp spray is awesome, it temporarily blinds a human, but won't cause permanent blindness, it's freaking painful, enough to stop someone, but it's not crippling like pepper spray. Plus, pepper spray shoots 10' and comes out finer that wasp spray, meaning if it's windy, it can blow back on you. Also, pepper spray tends to linger in a room irritating you, too. Wasp spray, however, shoots 15'-20', and won't blow back on you. Plus, it's nice to have for wasps and costs $3.
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THIS. Also good for run-ins with wild dogs.
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Weirdlig
Gender: Female
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<Reply # 5 on 5/10/2011 3:15 AM >
| | | | I always go in with a big flashlight and a pocketknife but only for practical use, not defense. If it comes to it, the right flashlight can take someone out.
A couple of times I've grabbed a pipe or something for no real reason other than I was new to urbex and it felt right. That works best.
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Captain_Slow
The infamous Buttram Manfist
Location: Dallas, Tx
Gender: Male
Obviously capable of mediocre things.
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<Reply # 6 on 5/10/2011 3:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by Weirdling
A couple of times I've grabbed a pipe or something
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Also yes.
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Opheliaism
  
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
| | | Re: Weapons
<Reply # 7 on 5/10/2011 4:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Captain_Slow
The only thing I, or anyone I will willingly explore with, should carry is a small pocketknife and a can of wasp spray.
Wasp spray is awesome, it temporarily blinds a human, but won't cause permanent blindness, it's freaking painful, enough to stop someone, but it's not crippling like pepper spray. Plus, pepper spray shoots 10' and comes out finer that wasp spray, meaning if it's windy, it can blow back on you. Also, pepper spray tends to linger in a room irritating you, too. Wasp spray, however, shoots 15'-20', and won't blow back on you. Plus, it's nice to have for wasps and costs $3.
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Plus it kills BEEZ!!!!! Which are probably the most dangerous thing to watch out for anyway.
Show up at 9:30 with 15 dollars cash and your fingers crossed.
<Mandias> I think she's gonna slug that cop. -------------------------------------------------------- <Axle> "She's just not a farmer Owen, she has too much of her Father in her." <Axle> Death by Hut |
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bonnie&clyde
Location: 510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
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<Reply # 8 on 5/10/2011 6:05 PM >
| | | | We carry pepper spray. Never needed it but feel safer with it. 100% legal in our state.
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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phractal
Location: freeland, WA
Gender: Male
I think therefore I'll tell you what I think.
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<Reply # 9 on 5/10/2011 6:35 PM >
| | | | Kershaw Ken Onion Blackout folder and my Mag XL100. The light will disorient and stop most people. That XL100 will burn their shadow into the wall.
[last edit 5/10/2011 6:36 PM by phractal - edited 2 times]
Where'd my oh there it is go?...damn.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
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<Reply # 10 on 5/10/2011 10:57 PM >
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"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
escensi omnis... |
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
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<Reply # 11 on 5/10/2011 11:08 PM >
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I didnt know Neo had an account on UER?
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TRAINS
Foaming at the Mouth
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
Ask me about my coupling equipment!
| | Re: Weapons
<Reply # 12 on 5/11/2011 12:35 AM >
| | | | Gotta be prepared.
Baby like the way I wake her up, 'Cause I'm a gangsta, I grab her by the butt, Pull her to my side, I'm in deep, Woke that ass up just to put her to sleep |
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DiscountNinja
Location: Thanksgivingstan Exile
Gender: Female
| | | | Re: Weapons
<Reply # 13 on 5/11/2011 12:35 AM >
| | | | Posted by Played
Missions?
Are you raiding a suspected drug dealers house or taking pictures of lonely chairs in hallway?
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hahaha, you are the best.
"Steve, I was going to bed, I'm going to be on, and I have to throw com dot. Manning and Sean, slash, Sandra come into my name is John thousand anytime doctor that it maybe she'll come. Maybe she want. I think this please. I will probably show up when you are going to be there and calling and they are people okay alright. Bye bye." |
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bonnie&clyde
Location: 510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
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<Reply # 14 on 5/11/2011 1:14 AM >
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But the S.A.W. won't fit in my pack 
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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iagox86
Location: Seattle, WA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 5/11/2011 5:43 PM >
| | | | My flashlight is kinda heavy... 
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Tom133t
| | Re: Weapons
<Reply # 16 on 5/20/2011 2:54 AM >
| | | | As much as I love firearms (and really, I do), carrying a gun with you on a UE is a VERY bad idea, even if you've got a concealed carry permit. Trespassing with a firearm is a felony and possibly jail time. Apart from the legal consequences, you're more likely to get laid flat on the ground and cuffed, as the cops will instantly see you as a threat. Also, any inhabitants of your site will regard a gun as an instant sign of hostility, as would anybody else.
If you're a twitchy type of person, you might even lose your cool and fire it off for no reason, or shoot somebody out of reckless fear. That'd be bad.
I always carry a decent pocket knife with me which, in addition to just being a knife, would also make a decent self-defense weapon. I once carried a US Navy Seals fixed knife with me (it's my favorite), but it's six inches long, mean looking, and clearly built to kill. I doubt the cops would consider it a normal pocket knife, so I've decided to leave it at home.
Walking sticks can make decent self-defense weapons, plus they have a practical use in a UE environment. I usually bring a broom handle with me when draining, in order to feel the water ahead of me for critters, and to rest on in cramped pipes. It would make an excellent weapon if need be. Of course, if you're really worried about your safety, it might help to take some martial arts / self-defense classes and learn how to use your fists. They're always with you, after all. If you're a guy, consider lifting weights to bulk up - not only will you become stronger and more able to defend yourself, but you will look bigger, especially at the shoulders, and seem more intimidating to potential assailants, thus discouraging conflicts before they happen.
Stay safe, but don't get paranoid.
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 5/21/2011 2:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by Tom133t
Trespassing with a firearm is a felony and possibly jail time. |
This is not true for Virginia (other states may be different). In VA, if you have your concealed handgun permit, and you're caught trespassing, the gun is perfectly legal. The only way a permitted concealed handgun could get you in trouble is if you're committing a crime WITH it (brandishing it, shooting things/people, etc...), or if you're drunk or have weed on you.
(I discussed this with a lawyer when I got my CHP.)
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Fl1k3r
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 18 on 5/21/2011 7:20 PM >
| | | | only thing i carry depending on where i go is a medium size fixed blade (when i'm coming off of work) or 2 small pocket knives just to cut me out if i get entangled, anything else is excessive and regardless of legality if you get caught, police are sure as hell more likely to arrest or ticket you than release you.
"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves."
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
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<Reply # 19 on 5/21/2011 7:27 PM >
|  | | | Another old school potential implosion thread.....2 in one week! I carry a pistol 99% of the time, but in New Mexico it doesn't affect a trespassing charge. Also, everything I do is rural. Personal call there, but you most certainly better know the law in your state.
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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