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 Gatsby
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.
 |  | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 20 on 7/16/2009 4:08 PM >
|  | | | OK.
I fucking LOVE Detroit.
I've explored there, possibly even with you D'Void. I can't remember.
I'm with you guys on every point you bring up.
When I said, "Well said",
I simply meant that the way I shallowly understood Detroit's explorer's mindset was that they defend a "ghost town".
FYI, the id
Again, I fucking LOVE Detroit.
PLEASE steer me in the correct direction, Detroit locals.
I love you and am sorry for amplifying a sore, inexistant subject.
I actually understand.
Subjects here in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area have educated me on the idea.
I apologize.
-Gatsby
I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. |
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Gatsby
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 21 on 7/16/2009 4:12 PM >
| | | | FYI, "the id"ea blah blah blah.
I can't remember what I was going to say, but it was good.
Damn poor internet disruptions.
-Gatsby
I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. |
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femaledragonx
    
Location: Detroit & Everywhere Else I can dream up to go to
The singularity is near
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 22 on 7/16/2009 4:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gatsby
I fucking LOVE Detroit.
I've explored there, possibly even with you D'Void. I can't remember.
I'm with you guys on every point you bring up.
PLEASE steer me in the correct direction, Detroit locals.
I love you and am sorry for amplifying a sore, inexistant subject.
I apologize. |
you'd remember if you'd explored with d'void. he's an awesome person and a die hard detroit-lover. he has a very good heart and one of the best people to explore with ever.
as for your apology, don't worry about it. your clarification is noted. the emotional response on this thread is more because ignorant people, whose lives are empty, feel the need to write inflammatory nonsense (on a regular basis.)
i think part of the reason detroit lovers feel so strongly about this city is that they have struggled here and watched in horror the swift decline. i remember the way we all felt in nyc the few weeks surrounding 9-11. we changed as a group of people, and love for nyc and comraderie amplified after the cleanup. people in detroit have suffered. detroit is in a very unique position looking at it from both political and philsophical positions. on a regular basis i find myself telling dvoid that "detroit is very ironic" and that it's like the movie "mad max beyond the thunderdome." it's a very good study on human behavior. i love learning about the people there. i love seeing the ornate buildings in total decline and thinking philosophically about humans and development and time. it's poetry. you have to be on your toes there, because detroit does bite, but it's worth it to experience this unique place at a unique time in human development.
"Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd." -Bertrand Russell
"How we spend our days is, of course, how we spend our lives." ~Annie Dillard |
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D'void
Location: The Wild Mid-West
Gender: Male
Give me your $oul
| |  | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 23 on 7/16/2009 5:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by Gatsby
OK.
I fucking LOVE Detroit.
I've explored there, possibly even with you D'Void. I can't remember.
Subjects here in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area have educated me on the idea.
I apologize.
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First to Gatsby;
Don't worry homie, I ain't mad at'cha. We cool, but I can say for sure I have never explored with you. I can count on my two hands (w/ digits left over) non-Detroiters I have explored with. And Femdragon is correct, if you explored with me you would remember, no doubt.
Nick;
Thanks bro, us fellow Michiganders understand the pain that comes with seeing your hometown fall to shit in front of your very eyes, it's REALLY HARD.
Femdragon;
I <3 U! If only Detroit was full of people like you.
To the Board;
Sorry if I seem a bit emotional about the subject, I try to be objectionable but living here, growing up here and having a lifetime of memories in this city/state makes the situation extremely hard to deal with. On a daily basis Detroiters (not just me) have to endure a ridiculous amount of negativity from other locals, the media, and assholes on the Internets. It's really easy to loose control and fly off the hinge when people you don't know, who obviously have a stereotypical view of your city just keep pushing the negativity in your face. I can't even log-on to any of my favorite forums anymore with out seeing a thread about "how much Detroit sucks" or "why Detroit continues to fail" or something to that effect.
Listen...I grew up as a little kid in this area and when I was 6 none of this was happening. Detroit was bad, yes...but the economy was still intact and people still lived here, started families, and made a living here. Since I was 15 (ten years ago) I have seen the world beneath my feet collapse one job at a time. First my Fathers' business (manufacturing) of 60 years went out of business. Then my mom's boyfriends, same situation. Then my mom, then my friends. Now, everyone I know is looking to abandon ship with a quickness. All I can say is at least I have a steady job, thank GOD!
Living in Detroit sometimes feels like being a butterfly in a hurricane. You just got to keep flapping your wings and never stop moving.
Butterfly = Me
Hurricane = Detroit
[last edit 7/16/2009 8:12 PM by D'void - edited 3 times]
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/-/ooligan
  
Location: Las Vegas area
Gender: Male
When in danger, when in doubt, RUN IN CIRCLES, SCREAM AND SHOUT!
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 24 on 7/17/2009 2:27 AM >
| | | | There's no argument that Detroit is cool in it's own way -- that's why I lived there & had fun exploring the city.
I saw & did a lot while I lived there. Lots of senior public safety officials, judges, municipal workers, drug dealers, rap artists, Red Wings/Tigers players, and wealthy Detroiters lived where I did. Rosa Parks lived about 250' away from me (moving there after some dumb brutha mugged her in her house), Coleman Young lived about 400' away from me until he died. I talked with a lot of people, explored a lot, and I'm pretty observant & intelligent. I understand Detroit's issues not only because they fascinated me in their severity but also their relative uniqueness. As a resident, they certainly impacted me, but I had the luxury of living in a very nice, high-security place with excellent public-safety response times thanks to so many prominent Detroit officials living there. I also knew I could flee the city if I ever wanted to.
As for your daddy, I'm sorry, I don't know who he is. It's probably not me. I agree that single-parent households is a big problem with Detroit that has direct implications on the crime-rate & culture. Detroit isn't your daddy, though it might be your mentor.
Any UE'er should enjoy Detroit, just like any fly is going to enjoy a rotting corpse or some people like to gawk at some bloody accident scene. Just because something benefits some organisms, it doesn't mean that it's a nice or pleasant thing to be around.
But if you can drop the UE perspective & think about the city from a more normal, rational perspective, like someone wanting to raise a family & live the American Dream, or an old retiree, Detroit is a morally, culturally, and yes, financially, bankrupt community. Unfortunately, it's been this way for decades, and a lot of the denizens are rather clueless that their Detroit way of life is not the norm, even in most other large cities. With that mindset, they don't understand why others critique Detroit, and because of their *ignorance* they end up responding using emotions instead of facts & figures.
Once I started to develop that same stupid 'circle the wagons!' mentality some of you Detroiters are showing here, I decided to move. Someone's feeble mindsets you suggested that maybe I moved because I wasn't 'strong enough' to survive in Detroit. The reality is that after getting my thrilling fill of the physical blight & intellectual/cultural depravity, I was ready to move on to better things. If you think Detroit is a good fit for you in terms of a long-term home to share with a spouse & perhaps eventually children & you're satisfied with the level of development there, then by all means, stay there -- you fit in quite well. I've said for a long time that the biggest problem with Detroit is Detroiters, and I don't really care what happens to the city now, good or bad. If you want to challenge me about things, do so on an intellectual level, not an emotional one. If Detroiters had the ability to think more & react emotionally less, the city would be in much better shape.
Michigan Central Station, which I could see about 2 or 3 miles away looking out my living room window is a great representation of Detroit -- what was, and what is.
/-/oolie
There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. |
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DJ Craig
  
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| |  | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 25 on 7/17/2009 5:49 PM >
| | | | This is so awesome, what they are doing to Michigan Central Station. That place is a symbol of Detroit. To demolish it would be almost like demolishing the arch in St Louis, or the Eiffel Tower in Paris. But to leave it how it is...well...as cool as it is for us explorers, having the symbol of your city be an abandonment certainly doesn't help the stereotype that D'void was referring to.
But, like D'void said, there ARE Detroiters who really care, and who hate to see the city in the state that it's in today, and I really hope that these people can muster up enough Detroit spirit to save this once beautiful, famous old building and turn it into something beautiful and useful again. You know whichever company ended up buying the building and using it once this volunteer effort is complete would get TONS of positive publicity just for being the company that saved the place.
Yes, Detroit is a MESS, but D'void and FDX hit on some really good points that might be Detroit's best hope! 
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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D'void
Location: The Wild Mid-West
Gender: Male
Give me your $oul
| | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 26 on 7/17/2009 7:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by DJ Craig
You know whichever company ended up buying the building and using it once this volunteer effort is complete would get TONS of positive publicity
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thanks Craig, but as far as the company that owns it...well its this sorry sack of shit, billionaire bastard who also owns the Detroit Ambassador Bridge.
This is the cover of a newspaper here recently depicting this crazy money man.
Nothing can save this dudes reputation with Detroiters. For years he has acquired land illegally and strong armed business and residents into giving up their homes for his constant expansion of the bridge. He has so much money the city can't afford to take him to court to stop. Seriously, and he does it in the name of "Homeland Security" all the way to the foot of the Train Station.
article to support said unbelievable acts:
http://metrotimes....story.asp?id=14056
[last edit 7/18/2009 7:46 AM by D'void - edited 1 times]
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JohnInMi
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 27 on 7/18/2009 3:14 AM >
| | | | The TRULY sick aspect of this story is that the money it would have taken to restore the depot for a man of his wealth would have been roughly the equivalent of 30 - 50 dollars for someone in my situation (if that much !!)
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D'void
Location: The Wild Mid-West
Gender: Male
Give me your $oul
| | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 28 on 7/20/2009 5:32 PM >
| | | | UPDATE:
Over the weekend (Saturday night) 10 or so urban explorers were taken out of the train station in hand cuffs and arrested by the Royal Canadian Rail Police and US Border and Customs agents.
I was working on a feature film that was shooting at the Depot Saturday night when this all happened. From what I gather from talking to the police and broader agents was that the kids were spotted inside and on the roof. When they left they were arrested and charged with trespassing on government property and would be held until this morning. Because the explorers were inside the tunnels that are actually owned by Canada they were fucked in the butt, BAD.
This is simply a warning to all, stay out of the tunnels behind the station.
[last edit 7/20/2009 5:41 PM by D'void - edited 1 times]
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DJ Craig
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| | | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 29 on 7/20/2009 7:06 PM >
| | | | Posted by D'void
UPDATE:
Over the weekend (Saturday night) 10 or so urban explorers were taken out of the train station in hand cuffs and arrested by the Royal Canadian Rail Police and US Border and Customs agents.
I was working on a feature film that was shooting at the Depot Saturday night when this all happened. From what I gather from talking to the police and broader agents was that the kids were spotted inside and on the roof. When they left they were arrested and charged with trespassing on government property and would be held until this morning. Because the explorers were inside the tunnels that are actually owned by Canada they were fucked in the butt, BAD.
This is simply a warning to all, stay out of the tunnels behind the station.
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That place is so not worth the risk...
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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Gatsby
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 30 on 7/21/2009 3:02 PM >
| | | | OK, so many of you Detroit explorers kick ass (much like explorers in my Minneapolis/St. Paul area)!
I want to say that I was drunk on my other posting, and that I'm usually drunk when I post. (I'm an alcoholic 3rd shifter). Crappy.
I explored Detroit for one entire weekend (with Devnull, fuck yeah!), and I met 5 or 6 locals. They were reserved but cordial (I don't know who they were).
Thank you Detroit for being nice to me and letting me explore your amazing repertoire!
-Gatsby
I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. |
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ConvenientlyMisplaced
Location: Detroit, MI
Gender: Male
| |  |  | | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 31 on 7/28/2009 7:10 PM >
| | | | Hey everyone. I'm John, the guy who runs Conveniently Misplaced, the website that was originally the topic of convo for this thread. Thanks for all the traffic 
But anyways, if anyone has any questions about what's up with the station I can answer them directly instead of dealing with speculation and whatnot.
--John Cruz
Conveniently Misplaced :: www.cruzweb.net
313 799 CRUZ |
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bsw102101
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 32 on 8/6/2009 11:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by D'void
UPDATE:
Over the weekend (Saturday night) 10 or so urban explorers were taken out of the train station in hand cuffs and arrested by the Royal Canadian Rail Police and US Border and Customs agents.
I was working on a feature film that was shooting at the Depot Saturday night when this all happened. From what I gather from talking to the police and broader agents was that the kids were spotted inside and on the roof. When they left they were arrested and charged with trespassing on government property and would be held until this morning. Because the explorers were inside the tunnels that are actually owned by Canada they were fucked in the butt, BAD.
This is simply a warning to all, stay out of the tunnels behind the station.
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It is my understanding that Canadian Railway is also owned by our wonderful Matty Moroun so that is why canadian rail police were involved.
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Ogre Battle
Location: Chicago IL
Gender: Male
| | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 33 on 8/8/2009 12:07 PM >
| | | | Posted by bsw102101
It is my understanding that Canadian Railway is also owned by our wonderful Matty Moroun so that is why canadian rail police were involved.
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Matty doesn't own the railroad. However, I do find it puzzling that all the signs on the perimeter fence are marked "Canadian Pacific Railway".... My thinking is that perhaps the railroad still owns the former shed/platform area between the station and the still-active mainline (and the international tunnel) and accordingly they wind up patrolling not only their property but Matty's since its within the same fenced area.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 34 on 8/8/2009 1:08 PM >
| | | | That's correct
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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D'void
Location: The Wild Mid-West
Gender: Male
Give me your $oul
| | | Re: Michigan Central Station Update
<Reply # 35 on 8/8/2009 6:53 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
That's correct
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Yup, exactly. The RCRP (Royal Canadian Rail Police) that I spoke with said that Canada still owns the lines and the tunnel about 200 yards away.
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