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 EatsTooMuchJam
  
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Squirty "Stickybuns" von Cherrypants
 |  |  |  |  |  | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 1 on 2/18/2009 6:19 PM >
|  | | | I hate when I have to break into places in self defense.
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
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blacklines
  
Location: the red stick.
Gender: Male
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 2 on 2/18/2009 8:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by EatsTooMuchJam
I hate when I have to break into places in self defense.
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are you kidding? all of my UE experience with trespassing has been in self-defense :p
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bash
  
Location: Wisconsin/ Milwaukee/ Menomonie
Gender: Male
light up the darkness
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 3 on 2/18/2009 8:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by blacklines
are you kidding? all of my UE experience with trespassing has been in self-defense :p
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I wasn't aware there was any other reason...
You cannot begin to live until you cease to just exist. |
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Glass
 
Location: Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 4 on 2/18/2009 11:09 PM >
| | | | Ah yes, we in the Twin Cities just love to live life in the fast lane.
*Sits and waits for Snax.*
[last edit 2/18/2009 11:25 PM by Glass - edited 1 times]
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GreyKat
Location: Minneapolis/St Paul MN
Gender: Male
I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks.
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 5 on 2/18/2009 11:33 PM >
| | | | What a tangled web! A crook, a strong arm, a snitch? Crazy.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 6 on 2/19/2009 12:21 AM >
| | | | http://i2.democrac...rg/2009/2/18/rnc_8
AMY GOODMAN: Jordan Kushner, there has already been a case that’s gone to trial that we covered, because it involved an FBI informant. That case went to mistral. What is the significance of the two men who were charged in that case? In that case, what was it? A hung jury? And what it means for the RNC 8?
JORDAN KUSHNER: That’s right. It was a hung jury, and technically it doesn’t mean anything for the RNC 8, because there’s no connection whatsoever between the RNC 8 and those people, even though the prosecutor in that case was trying to tie them to the Welcoming Committee.
But the fact that you had people who indisputably had Molotov cocktails and the jury couldn’t agree on convicting them, I don’t think that bodes well at all for the state in this case, where you have people who were locked up in jail while the convention protests were going on, aren’t accused of having or doing anything that could cause any harm to other people, and yet they’re being charged with felony terrorist charges.
AMY GOODMAN: And, Jordan Kushner, the latest information about an FBI informant within the RNC Welcoming Committee that has just come out? According to the paper this morning, Andrew Darst, thirty years old, spied on anarchists planning disruptions at the RNC.
JORDAN KUSHNER: That’s right. He was an FBI informant and actually was an FBI informant in that Molotov cocktail case, too, although he wasn’t called because of the criminal charges of his own that he’s facing. He was arrested for some violent burglary charges in January, where he broke into someone’s house, assaulted two people. And so, he’s facing felony charges right now in Hennepin County over that. He was the most—he’s the principal informant in the RNC 8 case, the main person they’re relying on to accuse them of planning the destruction of property.
AMY GOODMAN: What will it mean for your case, given that he was just charged in a criminal case? I mean, could charges against him be lessened depending on what he said in the RNC 8 case?
JORDAN KUSHNER: Well, we don’t know right now, because his prosecution is at the beginning stages. And, of course, it shouldn’t have any affect. This is something he did on his own, and it’s actually much more violent than anyone that’s involved in the protest is accused of doing. So I think it would be scandalous if they lessened his charges in that case and let him out of committing violent felonies because he’s cooperating against—in a political prosecution against political protesters. And so, we’ll have to see how this dynamic plays out.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
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EatsTooMuchJam
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Squirty "Stickybuns" von Cherrypants
| | | | | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 7 on 2/19/2009 7:09 AM >
| | | | So Andy Panda has graduated from being the guy who pointed a finger at a guy who made molotov cocktails to being the key witness in a trial against a group of would-be protesters (who didn't even get to protest since they were in ail) after he infiltrated their groups for months claiming to be their friend.
And yet, there are still a number of people in the local UE community who feel that he is trustworthy and a good friend? Do the same people who defended his actions as agent provocateur with Mr. Molotov cocktail feel that acting as an agent for the government in this instance was similarly defensible?
Way to keep us safe from hippies recycling grey water, Mr. Panda. I will sleep better at night knowing that nobody in my city is going to be using shower water to flush their toilets or keep an axe or machete in their house. Whew.
"Searches conducted in connection with the raids failed to turn up any
physical evidence to support the allegations of organized attacks on law
enforcement. Although claiming probable cause to believe that gunpowder,
acids, and assembled incendiary devices would be found, no such items were
seized by police. As a result, police sought to claim that the seizure of
common household items such as glass bottles, charcoal lighter, nails, a
rusty machete, and two hatchets, supported the allegations of the
confidential informants. "Police found what they claim was a single
plastic shield, a rusty machete, and two hatchets used in Minnesota to
split wood. This doesn't amount to evidence of an organized insurrection,
particularly when over 3,500 police are present in the Twin Cities, armed
with assault rifles, concussion grenades, chemical weapons and full riot
gear," said Nestor. In addition, the National Lawyers Guild has previously
pointed out how law enforcement has fabricated evidence such as the claims
that urine was seized which demonstrators intended to throw at police."
(http://www.nlgminnesota.org/node/66)
http://bullsheet.w...%98rnc-8%E2%80%99/
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
-Tom Waits |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 8 on 2/19/2009 4:23 PM >
| | | | I personally think these scumbags may have secretly been anarchists posing as normal citizens. He ferreted them out and without waiting for backup, heroicly swooped in and saved the day by taking them out single handedly. They could have been armed with some sort of turds or feces, and in the face of great danger and against all odds he bravely smashed in their door and in true Caped Crusader style, *POW* *BAM* *SOCKO* He laid out all the villans. You can tell they were villans too by the way their floor was all slanted. His bravery shows and he did the right thing for the good of all. Gotham, I mean Minneapolis, can sleep sound yet one more night.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Curious_George
Location: Cambridge
Gender: Male
Straight outta New Bedlam
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 9 on 2/20/2009 5:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by EatsTooMuchJam
"Police found what they claim was a single
plastic shield, a rusty machete, and two hatchets used in Minnesota to
split wood.
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LIES...everyone knows there are no forests or wildlife in the frozen tundra of Minnesota. Anarchists indeed.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 10 on 2/21/2009 6:06 AM >
| | | | | Posted by EatsTooMuchJamAnd yet, there are still a number of people in the local UE community who feel that he is trustworthy and a good friend? Do the same people who defended his actions as agent provocateur with Mr. Molotov cocktail feel that acting as an agent for the government in this instance was similarly defensible? |
"In this case the informants/undercovers were all rather blatantly obvious (even just on petty aesthetic levels: the women had fake tans, bleached hair and manicured nails, the men were thick squarejawed and thuggish looking). Nevertheless we were an open group and didn't want to discriminate against folks, especially those of working class background. Andy ultimately managed to use a harmless, submissive personality to disarm folks and slide himself into some people's confidences.
Tell tale signs for all were a flat emotional commitment to nebulous anti-authoritarian activism/action, without ever expressing or being able to engage in discussions of the reason behind their "politics" or positions. They clearly did not understand any rationale for anarchism, nor were they particularly interested in why we thought what we did, they were only interested in actions, actions, actions. No critique of gender roles, and no interest in any of those things either. They simply got by by playing submissive whenever questioned." |
Sounds familiar.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 11 on 2/21/2009 6:10 AM >
| | | | I didn't initially expect Andy, but a couple days ago when people started talking about snitches he was the first possibility that came to mind. Something about his demeanor, it didnt really seem like dude cared that much about radical politics yet he was heavily involved in organizing.
I guess the fact that he is so huge and out of place kind of made me think it would be unlikely for him to be an informant, dude is like a big ass refrigerator and a bit awkward. |
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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EatsTooMuchJam
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Squirty "Stickybuns" von Cherrypants
| | | | | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 12 on 3/19/2009 6:05 AM >
| | | | Has anybody seen news coverage of the new trial? I think it was set to start on the 16th.
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
-Tom Waits |
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rlx
      
Location: Minneapolis
Gender: Male
forget regret.
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 13 on 3/20/2009 2:03 AM >
| | | | He has plead guilty...
David Guy McKay, 23, of Austin, Texas, pleaded guilty to three counts, including one count of possession of an unregistered firearm, one count of illegal manufacture of a firearm and one count of possession of a firearm with no serial number.
Previously he had fought the charges, claiming he was entrapped by a government informant, but on Tuesday he told a federal judge that he and Bradley Neal Crowder would have made the bombs with or without the informant.
Source: http://wcco.com/rn...ails.2.961349.html
forget regret. |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 14 on 3/20/2009 3:44 AM >
| | | | Yeah, the other guy that they got to roll over was set top testify against him, and the feds had him in their pocket. He was screwed and he knew it, poor bastard.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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EatsTooMuchJam
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Squirty "Stickybuns" von Cherrypants
| | | | | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 15 on 3/20/2009 7:10 AM >
| | | | Oh sure. There's that one. But then there's also the trial of our friendly local confidential reliable informant who also happens to be a full member on this forum. That's the one I was more curious about. I think his trial was also set to begin on the 16th according to the last article I saw.
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away."
-Tom Waits |
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 16 on 3/20/2009 11:29 PM >
| | | | But that court date was changed, it conflicted with him stealing more construction equipment on that day. But that was all so they could bust yet another guy, so that was OK too.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 18 on 3/23/2009 8:17 PM >
| | | | Convicted on three charges just today; sentencing in May.
But that court date was changed, it conflicted with him stealing more construction equipment on that day.
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LOL.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: FBI informants who did it for the right reasons for $200, Alex
<Reply # 19 on 3/23/2009 8:43 PM >
| | | | The phrase "sexual harassment panda" comes to mind.
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