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1 2 3 4   UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Moral question-american flag (Viewed 2158 times) Johnny Mnemonic  Location: Houston, TX (Previously Dallas) Gender: Male I don't know, either.  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 20 on 12/3/2008 5:03 PM >   I'm with SoNaive and El Gordo, personally I have little concern for all the pomp and circumstance surrounding things like flags. But then again, I've got things that matter more to me than they ever would to anybody else. So yeah, definitely conscience over rules. Good luck with it! "You can't let the little pricks generation-gap you." MutantMandias  Perverse and Often Baffling Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 21 on 12/3/2008 5:23 PM >   You know what? God is in there too. The Holy Ghost is floating around in that abandoned gymnasium, and by taking the American Flag away from Him, you are depriving Him of His One True Love, The American Flag and The Glory It Represents of His Holy Nation, the One True Nation Under The One And Only God Almighty. Or, maybe it's just some old moldy fabric in an empty room, and you guys are fucking nutcakes. mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being blacksunshine  Location: The Midwest Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 22 on 12/3/2008 5:31 PM >   Posted by MutantMandias You know what? God is in there too. The Holy Ghost is floating around in that abandoned gymnasium, and by taking the American Flag away from Him, you are depriving Him of His One True Love, The American Flag and The Glory It Represents of His Holy Nation, the One True Nation Under The One And Only God Almighty. Or, maybe it's just some old moldy fabric in an empty room, and you guys are fucking nutcakes. Or maybe you should just learn to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs, even when they do not coincide with your own. “Try not to become a man of success rather try to become a man of value.” –Albert Einstein micro  Gender: Male Slowly I turned  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 23 on 12/3/2008 5:37 PM >   Given all the tacky/tasteless things that people do with American flags, I think you owe it to this one to let it remain in a quiet old building. It's probably happy knowing that it will never end up being waved around by some mouth-breather at a Lee Greenwood show or turned into a makeshift tube top. MutantMandias  Perverse and Often Baffling Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 24 on 12/3/2008 5:49 PM >   Posted by blacksunshine Or maybe you should just learn to be tolerant of other peoples beliefs, even when they do not coincide with your own. And maybe you need to understand that nothing I said was intolerant. mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being josh_truant  Location: MA Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 25 on 12/3/2008 6:38 PM >   I agree with the notion that it should be left there, if nothing else than for the feeling it would give the next person to explore that site. And I imagine a demo team will notice it and would remove it; they don't just toss dynamite through windows and pull plungers like Wile. E. Coyote, so it's not in any immediate danger. This entire post can be invalidated depending on whether you mean it is literally in the books for demolition, and what the time frame is, though. DarkForce  Location: Nashville, TN Gender: Male  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 26 on 12/3/2008 9:44 PM >   I would leave it there for others to find while exploring. But if you feel it is your duty and you know how to properly retire the flag I wouldn’t see a moral issue in doing so. Somebody set up us the bomb BennyBear  Location: My zombie fort, plinking away. Ach Hans, run! Its the lhurgoyf!!!!  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 27 on 12/3/2008 10:27 PM >   Posted by Tetrodotoxin plus, i hate to slippery slope, but it starts with this flag and then... This is what I was worried about. As much as I respect my flag, I see a potential future involving justification on slightly lesser accounts. Obviously people rarely see themselves slipping into evil and crime, but when I was removing the staples that's all I could think about. Also, I will burn it. The camp i work at has flag retirement ceremonies, and I shall be sure to have the director include this one in the ceremony. The flag retirement thing is more sensitive than you might think. As far as I know, there's three agencies allowed to perform a flag retirement ceremony; The Boy Scouts of America, the Police Force, and the U.S. Military. Any other burning, no matter how reverently done, is considered vandalizing a national symbol. [last edit 12/3/2008 10:32 PM by BennyBear - edited 1 times] My last girlfriend was lesbian... "If you're not part of the solution, you aren't dissolved in the solvent" Emma Peel  Location: Ahowah Gender: Female Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 28 on 12/3/2008 10:46 PM >   Posted by Tetrodotoxin i mean, i've never come across logs or documents, but if i did and found them relative or interesting...i might want to keep them. archive them. but where does it end? i don't know. Are you serious? NEVER? Jesus. If I wasn't at the library right now, procrastinating my research paper for a few more hours, I'd post one of the literally HUNDREDS of photos that I have of this crap. Wait, who am I kidding? I've posted some on UER: http://www.uer.ca/...al.asp?picid=45581 http://www.uer.ca/...al.asp?picid=45579 (make sure you read the captions, I guess) Seriously, though... Regardless of whether it is a flag or not, it is still burglary if you take something from a site (in Iowa). And hell -- if they catch you, they'll probably blame you for the large accumulation of dust, warped floorboards, tags, and other things associated with being abandoned. I mean... I have my Girl Scout Gold Award (does that make me a Shegle Scout?), but I don't necessarily feel that I need to take it upon myself to steal and properly dispose of every American flag I see in disarray. I see flags out all night without lights shining on them; that doesn't mean I'm going to knock on the owner's door and tell them they're doing it wrong, or steal their flag, or buy them a light. Thanks, but I'd prefer to leave my sense of civic duty to more important things than a moldy old piece of fabric (thank you, Mandias, for describing it so accurately). [last edit 12/3/2008 10:49 PM by Emma Peel - edited 2 times] Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. Tetrodotoxin  Location: NNJ  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 29 on 12/3/2008 10:52 PM >   i think i'd have left it. but then again, i've never been tested. i keep thinking about what if i come across some really cool papers...i'd want them to survive the demo. but i don't want to take things off site. it's a moral struggle. the first place i ever explored was an abandoned factory and i took a fire exit chart. thought nothing of it. later in life when i was moving my uncle saw it and i told him where i got it. he told me it was the wrong thing to do and "what if other people where exploring or working there and a fire broke out? that sign could have come in handy." i felt like the biggest jerk in the work. of course a flag isn't a posted emergency exit plan, but i'd just rather leave things the way they are. Tetrodotoxin  Location: NNJ  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 30 on 12/3/2008 10:55 PM >   Posted by Emma Peel Seriously, though... Regardless of whether it is a flag or not, it is still burglary if you take something from a site (in Iowa). And hell -- if they catch you, they'll probably blame you for the large accumulation of dust, warped floorboards, tags, and other things associated with being abandoned. that's true. i'm in jersey. as far as i know, theft is still a crime here. plus, i'm not a thief. MutantMandias  Perverse and Often Baffling Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 31 on 12/3/2008 10:57 PM >   Well, gee, how can it be theft if you feel strongly about it? mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being metawaffle  King of Puns Location: Brisbane! Gender: Male Purveyor of Fine Lampshades  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 32 on 12/3/2008 11:02 PM >   Posted by Emma Peel I see flags out all night without lights shining on them; that doesn't mean I'm going to knock on the owner's door and tell them they're doing it wrong, or steal their flag, or buy them a light. That's a good point - if you're going to make yourself the flag police, you do really have to be consistent... http://www.longexposure.net Tetrodotoxin  Location: NNJ  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 33 on 12/3/2008 11:10 PM >   hmmmm... can i copyright or trademark the term "flag nazi"? MutantMandias  Perverse and Often Baffling Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Male Are you a reporter? Contact me for a UE interview! Also not averse to the the idea of group/anal.  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 34 on 12/3/2008 11:11 PM >   Posted by Tetrodotoxin hmmmm... can i copyright or trademark the term "flag nazi"? Nazi is already trademarked. edit: Damn, I just found out that was an urban myth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TSR,_Inc. [last edit 12/3/2008 11:13 PM by MutantMandias - edited 1 times] mutantMandias may cause dizziness, sexual nightmares, and sleep crime. ++++ mutantMandias has to return some videotapes ++++ Do not taunt mutantMandias mutantMandias is something more than human, more than a computer. mutantMandias is a murderously intelligent, sensually self-programmed, non-being DevilC  Location: Washington, District of Corruption Gender: Male I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.  |  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 35 on 12/4/2008 4:16 AM >   Well, you're Canadian. . . . You guys are super chilled-out and mellow about everything. That's why we love you so much. Eh. Posted by SoNaive I say burn ActionSatisfaction. anyways, to me, it's just a flag. it would be the same as taking someone's underwear out of an abandonment. just a piece of cloth. I never understood the obsession with flags. Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings. walbot  Location: Victoria, B.C. Gender: Male  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 36 on 12/4/2008 8:01 AM >   Another option might be to anonymously contact the school district office, and let them know of your concern. It may result in the school being closed up a little more tightly, but I imagine they would have the flag removed if they knew it was left behind. That way you don't have to worry about taking something from the site. "Insert witty/deep/insightful comment here" Emma Peel  Location: Ahowah Gender: Female Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 37 on 12/4/2008 8:04 AM >   Posted by walbot Another option might be to anonymously contact the school district office, and let them know of your concern. It may result in the school being closed up a little more tightly, but I imagine they would have the flag removed if they knew it was left behind. That way you don't have to worry about taking something from the site. That's assuming they would care at all about the flag, and not care about the fact that you were trespassing onto and possibly destroying their property, costing untold amounts in tax dollars... Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. walbot  Location: Victoria, B.C. Gender: Male  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 38 on 12/4/2008 8:14 AM >   If they didn't act on the tip, and the fact became public knowledge, It could cause them a lot of grief. I'm sure there would be a few groups that would happily take up the cause of the flag forgotten by the school district. "Insert witty/deep/insightful comment here" Emma Peel  Location: Ahowah Gender: Female Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.  |  Re: Moral question-american flag <Reply # 39 on 12/4/2008 8:19 AM >   Posted by walbot If they didn't act on the tip, and the fact became public knowledge, It could cause them a lot of grief. I'm sure there would be a few groups that would happily take up the cause of the flag forgotten by the school district. Hm. Well, I just think that maybe they should first try to take up the cause of the quality education forgotten by most school districts*. *Because of the federal government Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > Moral question-american flag (Viewed 2158 times)  1 2 3 4   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. Graphical Design by Crossfire. To contact webmaster, or click to email with problems or other questions about this site: UER CONTACT View Terms of Service | View Privacy Policy | Server colocation provided by Beanfield This page was generated for you in 187 milliseconds. Since June 23, 2002, a total of 741321386 pages have been generated.