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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 20 on 7/20/2007 12:58 PM >
|  | | | All of the TTC's budget problems can be traced to the overpaid unionized drivers and other workers. The drivers make, what, like 25-30 bucks an hour to start?
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yokes
  
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| |  | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 21 on 7/20/2007 1:02 PM >
| | | | All? I wouldn't go that far.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
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| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 22 on 7/20/2007 4:53 PM >
| | | | Well, maybe not all, but most.
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yokes
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 23 on 7/20/2007 5:15 PM >
| | | | Care to elaborate?
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 24 on 7/20/2007 5:34 PM >
| | | | I love how every.single.thread that has anything to do with the TTC eventually turns into this.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 25 on 7/20/2007 6:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
Care to elaborate?
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Every time there is a fare hike, the union strikes (or threatens to strike) until they get more money. Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous that bus drivers earn $35/hr on average?
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KONG
Sus scrofa domestica
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 26 on 7/20/2007 8:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Every time there is a fare hike, the union strikes (or threatens to strike) until they get more money. Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous that bus drivers earn $35/hr on average?
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Yeah $35/hour is a little high but I doubt that any TTC operator makes that much unless he's on overtime.
[last edit 7/20/2007 8:31 PM by KONG - edited 1 times]
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 27 on 7/20/2007 9:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by El Diablo
Yeah $35/hour is a little high but I doubt that any TTC operator makes that much unless he's on overtime. |
90% of [the total TTC] budget is salaries. (source)
Holy crap!
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 28 on 7/20/2007 11:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by yokes
Not only would it generate a lot of revenue for the TTC
I would be surprised if the operating costs would cover the number of users at, say, 3 or 4am. Busses would be sufficient I suspect.
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I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was just a few more on route. It really sucks when you miss a bus and have to wait for another 30minutes at 3am.
I particularly like this quote: "Oh no, said Giambrone, "very few" actual layoffs are expected because they need to hire 700 people to replace those who are retiring. The Sheppard subway staff will "bump" into other TTC positions, he added.
Now I'm not at all surprised given the incestuous relationship between the socialists and the city's unions.
Staff cuts at the bloated, over-managed TTC would never be an option even though Giambrone himself admitted 90% of their budget is salaries.
"The TTC is the most efficient in the Western world, benchmarked by independent studies," he said. "
Incestuous indeed!
All this bitching and yet no one has bothered to ask why someone with no experience what-so-ever on the matter (or even education wise) is running the TTC.
Hush Hush. I feel as if I'm the only one who takes notice of this guy and his lack of expereince in the matter.
[last edit 7/20/2007 11:31 PM by Air - edited 2 times]
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Air
Location: Canada
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 29 on 7/20/2007 11:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Every time there is a fare hike, the union strikes (or threatens to strike) until they get more money. Don't you think it's a bit ridiculous that bus drivers earn $35/hr on average?
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I do. Considering lots of the older guys didn't even need a high school diploma to join on. Not that university education is needed for the job, but seriously $15 would be ok I think.
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KONG
Sus scrofa domestica
Location: Kingston, Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 30 on 7/20/2007 11:55 PM >
| | | | This is for the "Transit Operator" position.
"The TTC offers competitive wages and benefits including: Healthcare and Dental plans, Group Life Insurance and a Pension Plan. As per the Local 113 ATU Collective Agreement, the hourly wage rate for this opportunity is $19.43 (rate after training) to $25.74 (rate after 30 months)." -- TTC Web site
$25.74 is good pay for an uneducated worker, but nowhere near postal workers, assembly line workers at the big 3 automakers, and probably not much (if any) higher than trash collectors. It's a pretty fair union wage.
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  | | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 31 on 7/21/2007 1:17 AM >
| | | | Posted by fedge
90% of [the total TTC] budget is salaries. (source)
Holy crap!
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Holy crap indeed. I just took a look at the 2005 TTC Annual Report (latest found on the TTC's website) and here's what it says.
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Left Column is for FY 05, Right is for FY 04 and of course, add 3 0's to each number.
773,191,000 of 1,021,308,000 = 75% of operating costs for the TTC in 2005 is wages. And of course that goes up a bit every year so that 90% figure is believable.
Geez, even the infamous NYC MTA which has the weirdest books out there doesn't even have that!
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Hlywud
Location: Lethbridge, AB
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 32 on 7/21/2007 1:28 AM >
| | | | Posted by fedge
90% of [the total TTC] budget is salaries. (source)
Holy crap!
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Yes Holy Crap! Especially if the maintenance and upkeep of the buses, street cars, trains and tunnels are included in the budget 
Ambivalent? Well yes and no |
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NoSuchPerson
Stop, or I'll ask you again!
| | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 33 on 7/21/2007 5:38 AM >
| | | | Well, I don't want to take sides but personally I believe TTC operators are worth every penny they are paid. Have you seen some of the bullshit they have to put up with? Getting paid $25/hour to be called every name in the book, spit upon, threatened, assaulted and god knows what? Not my cup of tea. I have a number of friends who are TTC operatives and I can tell you from the stories they've told me - it's money well deserved. You might not realize how difficult of a job it is, but imagine being the driver of the Yonge Night Bus when somebody boards your bus and starts waving around a knife - and you know it's at least 5 minutes until anybody can get there to help you.
All that for $25/hour and yet people still have the gall to critisize their pay.
Sorry to get defensive, but I've spent a couple of shifts with some operator and supervisory friends I have, and I can tell you that until you see first hand some of the scum and bullshit they deal with - you really cannot imagine what it's like.
Unit calling radio say again? |
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Stewie
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Gender: Male
kill your idols
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 34 on 7/21/2007 6:37 AM >
| | | | I completely agree with you. I've never had a problem with driver salaries. People don't realize there's more to it than just driving.
> The hierarchy of power dictates that the person with the most power does the least amount of work and retains the highest benefit. |
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Air
Location: Canada
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<Reply # 36 on 7/21/2007 11:41 AM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
Well, I don't want to take sides but personally I believe TTC operators are worth every penny they are paid. Have you seen some of the bullshit they have to put up with? Getting paid $25/hour to be called every name in the book, spit upon, threatened, assaulted and god knows what? Not my cup of tea. I have a number of friends who are TTC operatives and I can tell you from the stories they've told me - it's money well deserved. You might not realize how difficult of a job it is, but imagine being the driver of the Yonge Night Bus when somebody boards your bus and starts waving around a knife - and you know it's at least 5 minutes until anybody can get there to help you.
All that for $25/hour and yet people still have the gall to critisize their pay.
Sorry to get defensive, but I've spent a couple of shifts with some operator and supervisory friends I have, and I can tell you that until you see first hand some of the scum and bullshit they deal with - you really cannot imagine what it's like.
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I'd like to agree with you, but a few of them are assholes as well. And a difficult job is no excuse to coping attitude all the time. I've been on night buses with drunk drivers, and probably the rudest people in the system are the bus drivers. There are other difficult jobs as well, but you should remember its a service industry and that doesn't excuse them from having advanced social graces.
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Hlywud
Location: Lethbridge, AB
Gender: Female
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 37 on 7/21/2007 12:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by ExKa|iBuR
Well, I don't want to take sides but personally I believe TTC operators are worth every penny they are paid. Have you seen some of the bullshit they have to put up with? Getting paid $25/hour to be called every name in the book, spit upon, threatened, assaulted and god knows what? Not my cup of tea. I have a number of friends who are TTC operatives and I can tell you from the stories they've told me - it's money well deserved. You might not realize how difficult of a job it is, but imagine being the driver of the Yonge Night Bus when somebody boards your bus and starts waving around a knife - and you know it's at least 5 minutes until anybody can get there to help you.
All that for $25/hour and yet people still have the gall to critisize their pay.
Sorry to get defensive, but I've spent a couple of shifts with some operator and supervisory friends I have, and I can tell you that until you see first hand some of the scum and bullshit they deal with - you really cannot imagine what it's like.
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I don't disagree with you that it can be a rough job but do find it shocking that 90% of the budget goes to wages.
A little off topic but out of curiosity I did some searching and found that school bus drivers in Ontario make $10 - $12 per hour on average and I can't help but wonder why public transit employees are paid so much more than the people we entrust to get our kids back and forth to school safely.
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fedge
Location: Gaud Corners, Ontario, Canada
Gender: Male
you blight up my life™®
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 38 on 7/21/2007 1:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by Hlywud
A little off topic but out of curiosity I did some searching and found that school bus drivers in Ontario make $10 - $12 per hour on average and I can't help but wonder why public transit employees are paid so much more than the people we entrust to get our kids back and forth to school safely. |
You should send that to The Sun, I know they'd print it too.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: Sheppard subway line might get mothballed
<Reply # 39 on 7/21/2007 4:40 PM >
| | | | I don't think TTC drivers deal with people who are assholes any more than waiters and waitresses, clerks, tellers, telephone survey people, and any other profession where the employee has to deal with the general public.
I've been riding the TTC my whole life, and I think I've only seen a person who was rude to the driver once. I've seen rude drivers a whole lot more. Obviously, the incident rate is higher on things like the night bus on the yonge line, but that's an extreme example -- there are thousands of bus trips a day on other routes, and most of the passengers simply want to get from point A to point B.
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