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1 2   UER Forum > Archived US: Great Lakes > 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down (Viewed 1008 times) andrwm  Gender: Male  |  6 schools in Minneapolis closing down < on 4/13/2007 10:17 PM >   Hey guys, I was just watching the television news and it sounds like six rather large schools in the Minneapolis area are closing down. I'm not sure how soon they're closing, but I think it's safe to assume that this school year will probably be the last for all six of them. Here's a link to the news article. Keep your eye on this, as long as they don't demolish or re-use the schools, these buildings might make for some kickass UE'ing sometime in the near future. Gatsby  Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 1 on 4/13/2007 10:23 PM >   Yeah, they've been talking about this for years now, and I keep getting let down. It's sad that kids are being forced out, but c'mon! More explory explory! I'd be surprised if even one of these buildings actually becomes an explorable option, but it's always good to keep an eye out. I've been stupid before. I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. Curious_George  Location: Cambridge Gender: Male Straight outta New Bedlam  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 2 on 4/13/2007 10:40 PM >   Condoification would be swift. nostra-YOUPPI!  Umpire Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 3 on 4/13/2007 11:15 PM >   i know here in montreal due to changing demographics the lester pearson board has closed a few schools, one near my place has been closed for a year now but they still clear the snow, clean and tidy. THey say they are 'banking' the real estate. So i dont know about down there but here school close and dont become abandonned Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive [23]  Location: Anoka, Minnesota / West Midlands, UK Gender: Female  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 4 on 4/14/2007 1:21 AM >   My fire fox really does not like fox. . . Anyways, aren't most of these schools on the north side? I'd pee my pants if any of my old schools became explorable . . . Im in ur [noun] [verb]ing ur [noun] Gatsby  Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 5 on 4/14/2007 1:46 PM >   Well, that's part of what I'm sayin'. The schools that close around Mpls are usually "poor" schools. I really doubt that any of these will actually become "explorer hot spots"... ...and the schools that actually close are few and far between anyhow. What do y'all think??? I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. god_of_fear  Location: Osceola, Wisconsin Gender: Male  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 6 on 4/14/2007 6:18 PM >   Schools? I'm waiting for the Ford Plant! Fear is the mind-killer. ofberenonehand  Location: Minn-e-snow-ta "Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 7 on 4/14/2007 9:31 PM >   Another one locally will be closing and I'm positive will be explorable, but c'mon, we all spent years in them. Why go back? "That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal Snax  Location: TC Gender: Female It’s always darkest before the dawn  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 8 on 4/14/2007 9:56 PM >   Actually, they have closed about 15 schools in the past two years. There are a few that are bring "remodeled" to be community centers or county help centers. I know of two that were pretty old and weird inside. Those would be worth exploring. The other ones- not so much. Bones  Location: st.paul, minnesota Gender: Male  |  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 9 on 4/14/2007 10:25 PM >   sweet, ford is going out soo, and there are rumors of some fire station closing down. out and under the town Gatsby  Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Like all UER people, I've only explored your mom.  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 10 on 4/15/2007 8:37 AM >   I was drunk in that last post. Yeah, I agree that going back to school is a generally lame idea. I'd rather be exploring something underground - like Ford, yes - but some buildings turn out to be pretty cool. Mitsuko: Really? I didn't know that they actually closed any of them. Hmm, interesting. I remember reading in the Star Tribune years ago about the possible closings of a number of schools. They had a list that I intended on keeping an eye on but nothing ever happened that I could tell. I lost interest. We might have to dig more into this situation... Oh, and I'm kinda drunk now, too. I only listen to 104.7 Poop. I'm always in deep shit, so I may as well listen to poop. Glass  Location: Chicago as one does  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 11 on 4/15/2007 10:05 PM >   Posted by Gatsby We might have to dig more into this situation... Situation = Ford Mines... Snax  Location: TC Gender: Female It’s always darkest before the dawn  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 12 on 4/16/2007 12:33 AM >   Posted by Gatsby Really? I didn't know that they actually closed any of them. Hmm, interesting. I remember reading in the Star Tribune years ago about the possible closings of a number of schools. They had a list that I intended on keeping an eye on but nothing ever happened that I could tell. I lost interest. "Due to fiscal pressures created by reduced state aid payments and declining enrollment, the district has cut expenditures drastically through staff reductions and less administrative spending. Since Jan. 1, 2002, the district has instituted and maintained a hiring freeze on all non-classroom-related employees, further restraining salary expenditure growth, and implemented tighter purchasing practices. Fifteen schools are scheduled to close in fiscal years 2006 and 2007." (http://www.findart...ept_8/ai_n16714673) Before a disappointed standing-room-only crowd, a badly fractured Minneapolis school board voted Thursday night to close six more schools, but that's not the end of the job.The closings will deal with barely one-third of the district's classroom surplus, and more school closings loom. (http://www.startri...story/1116756.html) Curious_George  Location: Cambridge Gender: Male Straight outta New Bedlam  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 13 on 4/16/2007 1:51 AM >   Damn, suddenly the Canadian public school system is not looking so shabby. wackodood  Location: Twin Cities Gender: Male  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 14 on 4/16/2007 5:47 AM >   Max was lying. There are no mines under Ford. But back on the topic, it is a little bittersweet about the schools being closed. On one hand, obviously we want them to close so that we can put a few more tick marks on our personal location lists, but if you had a conscience you'd think about the current status of the public school system and how this certainly won't alleviate the troubles it's having. Wabbit  Location: Twin cities, Minnesota Gender: Male Go Silly Rabbit!  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 15 on 4/16/2007 6:18 PM >   Of course they are closing, schools are not getting the tax dollars they need to stay open. After all they do have more important things to spend our money on. -wabs Snax  Location: TC Gender: Female It’s always darkest before the dawn  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 16 on 4/16/2007 6:50 PM >   I know a thing or two about it and I agree with you. This will definitely not help the state of the schools. However, budget and spending are accrued on a child by child basis. That means that regardless where they go to school, whatever school they go to gets a set amount of money per child enrolled. Without looking, my memory says that it is around $573 dollars a child (fiscal year 2006). I know what they are thinking when they do this. Less buildings= less bills. They can save on teachers salaries, energy cost, food costs, transportation costs, normal student costs, special ed cost, maintenance of the buildings, etc. Which is true, they will. Even though this seems like an outrageous amount of money- the cost for these things can round out at about a million dollars a year (per school). And even though this seems like maybe it will balance out and be a great idea in the future- they are really screwing everyone over. They want to close schools to help end the building maintenance fees. Well- the school that gets more kids then it can hold- will have lots of wear and tear. It will actually cause more building cost in the long run. Teachers will lose jobs but the turn over rate will increase because of the higher work load placed of the good teachers they do have. The energy costs, food costs and normal student costs will just be transferred to the school the student moves to. Special ed cost will rise because each building can only handle a certain amount of students needing this kind of help- so they will actually have to extend areas in the schools they are sending these kids too. Not having to have their own fleet of buses to maintain, fuel and have daily routes for will help lower transportation fees some degree. But remember that these kids are being bused somewhere else. So another school will just be picking up these kids and adding the costs to their transportation expenses. Another main thing that they aren't discussing with the public is what will happen to the quality of education. A normal classroom has 23-31 kids per teacher. If they push kids into less schools- this number goes up. They will end up by having around 40-45 kids per room. To be able to get away with this amount of kids in one room- they will add an aide to help the teacher out. Not a licensed teacher but a person that is willing to help out with classroom activities. The teacher cannot handle and teach effectively this many children. The new requirements for school is something called a five-star-rating system. 5 = Excellence in reading, writing and math 4 = Better than average in reading, writing and math 3 = Average school in reding, writing, math 2 = Not reaching the adequate scores to advance children through the grades 1 = Not achieving scores needed to graduate students So- if you are teaching kids below this level of learning- the levels of drop-outs, failing and not being able to graduate high school increase. Not to mention the fact that the accountability of teachers has increased in the past few years. Due to the No Child Left Behind Act- teachers are held personally accountable for children not reaching the needed potential for graduation. In some situations they can be given pay cuts, denied bonuses and terminated for not reaching these goals. Normally- I would fully back this type of program. That means that the teachers need to be making sure that they are teaching effectively and appropriately. (which falls back on the school as a whole as well) But in this situation- there are giving the teachers to many students to teach and they punishing them for not being able to do it. What a joke.... Warchyld  Location: Minneapolis, MN Gender: Male Personal Text  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 17 on 4/16/2007 6:53 PM >   Posted by Wacko but if you had a conscience... I quit reading at that point [last edit 4/16/2007 6:57 PM by Warchyld - edited 1 times] "If you are not cheating, you are not trying" wackodood  Location: Twin Cities Gender: Male  |  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 18 on 4/16/2007 7:33 PM >   I would have stopped after the exorbitant usage of commas, (there I go again) but mitsuko is right. Now teachers conform to this god awful regime of a curriculum in an attempt at covering all pertinent areas for the standardized tests students now take in order to receive passing marks. On the brighter side, some states (namely Massachusetts with MCAS) offer scholarships to students who excel the requirements set by No Child Left Behind. Darlinclem  Location: Twin Cities Gender: Female  |  Re: 6 schools in Minneapolis closing down <Reply # 19 on 4/17/2007 6:27 PM >   One of the schools that they were thinking about closing is right near the U of M. I'm sure it served it's purpose once upon a time, but now it's neighborhood is mainly inhabited by College students. I'm sure there aren't enough kids in that small neighborhood to fill classrooms, they'd have to bus kids in... either way they'll be busing going on. In that case I don't think it is so horrible that the board would vote to close this particular school and put the money elsewhere. 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