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 |  | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 40 on 2/20/2007 6:47 PM >
|  | | | I'd just suggest shooting it and playing it cool if someone shows up. If your off a road, in the dark nobody can really see you.
And for those of you who say they cant harass you on public property, think again. They might own the road your on (you wouldn't know), and even if its public they can still harass you.
We got harassed at Dofasco in Hamilton on a public road. Security showed a good 2 minutes after we set up and they hounded us about being journalists and disgruntled environmentalists. We reassured them that we weren't -- but they weren't going anywhere. Don't ask me where they came from or how the saw us, we did not look out of place, driving a truck, etc. apparently they got a got a call almost immediately as we went down the street.
They had unmarked vehicles -- make no mistake about refineries and mills, they have $$$ for better security, not hiring some jack-off security guard.
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| |  | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 41 on 2/20/2007 9:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by wilkinshire
DHS doesn't have those pesky yearly AG reviews like other law enforcement agencies. They could, in theory, lock your ass up and forget about you for quite a while.
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Yeap.
If the DHS thinks your a threat, a terrorist, a spy (you fit a profile of their's perhaps), they can and will put your ass in the hurt locker, maybe literally. They're have a lot of leeway to do so if they choose.
Any nearby place that has a good view of the refinery has prolly already been noticed; photographers aren't the only thing the LEOs are worried about.
Your making the sorry ass mistake of choosing something that's at the top of the most probable terrorist's targets. Especially if it's near a populated urban area...if you post the pics, a terrorist might make use of them.
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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TDK1000
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 42 on 2/22/2007 12:52 AM >
| | | | For everyone saying 'fuck the police' I hope you get your ass beat down by some dirty security guards. It's one thing to know your rights and stand up for yourself but something completely different to go looking for trouble and act like some dumbass kid.
What someone can legally do and what they actually WILL do at the end of a dark dirt rode are two very different things.
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Jannx
 
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| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 43 on 2/22/2007 4:49 AM >
| | | | Go take some pictures of all sorts of stuff including the refinery. If someone asks just say you're an outdoors photographer and have been shooting lots of stuff . If they have a problem ask them to provide a way to resolve the issue. Be passive and go along if you're stopped. How are you supposed to know that taking a shot from a long way off was an issue?
Alternatively they may not even care. I've shot refineries and seen surveillance cameras in plain sight. No one came forward and asked me to stop. So you never really know how things will unfold. Besides I think the security people have figured out that blatant photography is just photographers and not 'ter.rori.sts'. They don't do stuff like letting their faces be filmed on a security camera.
Who really cares about a bunch of film. I'd flip them my film if they asked , just ask for the stuff back less what they want to 'censor'
You've got a lot of advice in this thread sift thru it and figure out the pros and cons so you can figure out if you want to really take these photos.
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Timothy R. Pendergast
Location: Columbia, SC
Gender: Male
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 44 on 2/22/2007 5:41 AM >
| | | | Mkay, kiddo. I'll say it.. "Fuck the (non-sworn) police". I love when rentas exceed their authority and try to jack me or just fuck with me to feel tough. I usually get to just make them feel stupid, but if they are stupid and try to get physical, I get to have fun. If old boy tries to go hands on, or brandishes a weapon, or just attempts to detain me against my will, I'm more than willing to teach him not to ASS-U-ME. Rights are rights, but no one is going to fucking respect your rights if you're not prepared to stand up for them in whatever situation, be it a dark dirt road or a courtroom.
The worst mistake anyone can make today is to assume that some 22 year old "kid" on the street is just a kid, fresh out of college or whatever. There are 19 year olds out there who have been in combat two and three times, and got med'ed out of the military. The active US Army regularly assigns "kids" to DHS, and they spend their time training or just standing around places that are likely targets, looking/waiting/hoping for shit to happen.
It's not real hard to pick a fight and find yourself really outclassed and underarmed these days. That's how it should be, too.
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dogyeaars
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 45 on 2/22/2007 7:20 AM >
| | | | I have been stopped by the police taking pictures of an active refinery before. Having said that, I doubt I will stop anytime soon.
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