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 ilduce
     
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
 |  |  | Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
< on 2/16/2007 6:51 PM >
|  | | | I live about 10 miles away from an active oil refinery. While I was out driving last night I found an ideal place to take some night pictures of it. The property I would be shooting from is on a public right-of-way, and is a fair distance away from the plant itself. Does anyone else have experience with doing this? I've read a few articles that lead me to believe I'm probably going to get hassled:
http://www.photoat...ography-crime.html
http://www.eastbay...-thousand-hassles/
Right now I'm leaning strongly towards not doing it at all, as it seems quite risky and likely that I'll run into trouble. However, I really like the location and view, and am eager to try out my new camera in a low-light situation. I'd appreciate your thoughts on this.
Edit: Also, I'm not using a telephoto lens. Just a simple wide-angle.
[last edit 2/16/2007 6:54 PM by ilduce - edited 2 times]
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T-mac
Location: Winnipeg, MB, Canada
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 1 on 2/16/2007 6:53 PM >
| | | | If its public property, then what can they do. If they really did not want you to take pictures of the building they would have it out of view right?
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Shawn W.
 
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| |  | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 2 on 2/16/2007 7:27 PM >
| | | | I say go ahead and do it. Regardless of whether or not you get hassled, it makes it no less legal.
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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Emor
Location: Crackpipe city.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 3 on 2/16/2007 7:34 PM >
| | | | Its active...not much point, hit google and find better images and articles if you want to read up on it. Perhaps see if they do tours, check with thier PR ofice or give them a call.
Best case here you get a few photos of tanks and whatnot.
Worse case you get interviewed and marked as a person of interest which can bite you in the future.
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 4 on 2/16/2007 7:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by Emor
Its active...not much point, hit google and find better images and articles if you want to read up on it. Perhaps see if they do tours, check with thier PR ofice or give them a call. |
I think that you missed this part...
Posted by ilduce
The property I would be shooting from is on a public right-of-way, and is a fair distance away from the plant itself. |
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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Emor
Location: Crackpipe city.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 5 on 2/16/2007 7:40 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shawn W.
I think that you missed this part...
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No, I didnt.
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 6 on 2/16/2007 8:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Emor
No, I didnt. |
Then why do you think that he should check with the company?
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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Bones
Location: st.paul, minnesota
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 7 on 2/16/2007 8:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shawn W.
Then why do you think that he should check with the company?
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so if they see someone taking pictures of their shit, they don't think someone is gonna pull a terrorist attack.
out and under the town |
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 8 on 2/16/2007 9:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Bones
so if they see someone taking pictures of their shit, they don't think someone is gonna pull a terrorist attack. |
Unless they have security personnel patrolling city streets or people looking out with binoculars to spot photographers, I don't see how that would even be a concern.
Edit: ilduce, just how far away ARE you going to be from the refinery?
[last edit 2/16/2007 9:03 PM by Shawn W. - edited 1 times]
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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JeepXJ
Location: San Jose, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 9 on 2/16/2007 9:02 PM >
| | | | Do it! If you are on public lands, a ways away from the plant, they can hassle you, but they have NO legal rights at that point. If security shows up, just refuse to say anything, not even your name and insist that your lawyer be present before any statements are made. Also, they may try to take your camera, memory card, film, etc. They MUST provide a warrant for such a seizure, and can't take your stuff otherwise. Now of course if you do contact the company, and they say "sure, take some pics! do you want a tour?" then not only will there be no trouble, you may get some better shots out of it. If you do get permission, be sure to request it in writing though. That way if someone else hassles you, you can bust out your paper and shove it in their faces!
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Glitch0010
Location: The Drive, Vancouver, BC
Gender: Male
Get Strange
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 10 on 2/16/2007 9:14 PM >
| | | | I would have to say go for it, I mean if the hassle you just say you doing an art project on:
Industrialized America, and The Down Fall of A Independent Nation.
Throw some real artsy sounding stuff at them and they should leave you alone.
I mean in the end even if they didn't bother you, You should still check to see if there are any laws prohibiting the photographing of private property. If only to cover your six.
We are going to inherit the earth . There is not the slightest doubt about that. The bourgeoisie may blast and burn its own world before it finally leaves the stage of history. We Are not afraid of ruins. We who ploughed the prairies and built the cities can build again, only better next time. We carry a new world, here in our hearts. That world is growing this minute. |
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ilduce
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 11 on 2/16/2007 9:24 PM >
| | | | Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm in touch with someone who used to work there, and while he says that I should be fine I'll get in touch with the city just to be safe. I have a student ID that has come in handy in the past as well.
I guess on the one hand I can understand their caution, but on the other hand its kind of sad that things have come to this.
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Reciprocity Failure
Location: Santa Barbara/Chicago
Gender: Male
See you on the dark side of the Moon
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 12 on 2/16/2007 9:31 PM >
| | | | Go ahead. Everything you would be doing is perfectly legal, and most likely nobody will harass you, seeing as it will be from a long distance. For them to detain you, confiscate your equipment, or put you on any watch list would be illegal on their part.
Just print this off and take it with you. I have a copy in my camera bag.
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
It may not be the actual laws, but it sums it up pretty well; and shows anyone hassling you that you know your rights. Just don't back down. They can as all they want, but you don't tell them anything. They just ask because most people are afraid of anyone with any authority (real or perceived), and just tell them. Don't let them pull that crap.
"It only takes one tree to make a thousand matches, it only takes one match to burn a thousand trees." |
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IrIsHmOm
Location: San Joaquin Valley, CA
Gender: Female
I'll kill your face...
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 13 on 2/16/2007 9:34 PM >
| | | | I've taken pictures of US Steel and have never gotten hassled... there should be no problem..
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 14 on 2/16/2007 9:40 PM >
| | | | The only question: Are you white?
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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ilduce
Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 15 on 2/16/2007 9:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Reciprocity Failure
Go ahead. Everything you would be doing is perfectly legal, and most likely nobody will harass you, seeing as it will be from a long distance. For them to detain you, confiscate your equipment, or put you on any watch list would be illegal on their part.
Just print this off and take it with you. I have a copy in my camera bag.
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
It may not be the actual laws, but it sums it up pretty well; and shows anyone hassling you that you know your rights. Just don't back down. They can as all they want, but you don't tell them anything. They just ask because most people are afraid of anyone with any authority (real or perceived), and just tell them. Don't let them pull that crap.
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Thanks for the heads-up. I got a copy of that earlier today when I was searching the internet, and put it into my bag. Very helpful - I'm going to send it along to a few of my friends.
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Bones
Location: st.paul, minnesota
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 16 on 2/16/2007 10:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shawn W.
Unless they have security personnel patrolling city streets or people looking out with binoculars to spot photographers, I don't see how that would even be a concern.
Edit: ilduce, just how far away ARE you going to be from the refinery?
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well there is still a chance that someone could spot him, but it's really not that big of a chance that , that would happen. but it could
out and under the town |
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Ride My Pony
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
Dreamer...
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 17 on 2/16/2007 11:04 PM >
| | | | Just Do It!
Cam, tripod, and lenses. Industrial Decay.
Loosing all my senses, spending my holiday.
Climbing over fences. To roam where no one may. |
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HillbillyHorus
 
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 18 on 2/16/2007 11:05 PM >
| | | | The worst that would happen is a security car drives up, sees you don't look sketchy, and makes you erase the photos.
You can't fall off a mountain. |
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Shawn W.
Location: Niagara Falls, NY
Gender: Male
Optimistic Pessimist
| | | | Re: Taking long-distance pictures of an oil refinery. How risky?
<Reply # 19 on 2/16/2007 11:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by HillbillyHorus
and makes you erase the photos. |
Which is, of course, beyond the scope of their authority, especially if they approach you while not on the refinery's property.
What is a rebel? A man who says no. - Albert Camus |
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