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 rooster
Location: titletown, wi,
Gender: Male
 |  |  | ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
< on 1/26/2007 9:56 PM >
|  | | | need some suggestions on what to say when confronted. I know the photographer bit (always carry a camera)! act confident-like you are supposed be there! & when all else fails run like a cat on fire!
God willin & the creeks don't rise |
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Axle
      
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 1 on 1/26/2007 10:09 PM >
| | | | It really depends on where you're going. Be prepared, know the terrain, and have your story planned in advanced and rehearsed, but also be willing to switch it up a little if it sounds rehearsed, they'll probably catch on and call you on it.
And above all else
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID
Celer at Audax
Para la Victoria Siempre Alemanes! |
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startedsmoking
Location: Edinburgh, UK
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 1/27/2007 1:59 AM >
| | | | Ah good old KISS, the best rule for everything in life.
My advice would just to be as straight forward as the situation will allow, and don't be an asshole, security guards have a job to do, so do cops, the easier you make their lives, often the more leeway they'll be prepared to give you. They have better things (hopefully) to be doing than crawling through 7 layers of BS with you or any other Urbexer unlucky enough to get caught out.
"take nothing but pictures, leaving nothing but footprints...unless it would be really fun" |
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cedew
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 3 on 1/27/2007 2:12 AM >
| | | | I have a plan if I get caught, I will mostly tell them what im doing. I can tell you firsthand that cops get pissed if they think youre lying. If you live by the UE COC, you wont damage anything, and you wont really give them much reason to lay down the hammer. Try to never get caught inside, and dont do any obvious damage to get in. If you ever get caught, hopefully you are outside the building/structure, and just tell them you wanted to look around. Apologize for trespassing, admit you know its wrong, and you wanted to get some UE type photos. Act passive and humble, answer questions quickly, and 9 out of 10 times, you will walk. Also, I would never run from a cop if spotted, unless I am 100% certain im home free.
Remember:
Trespassing = not so bad.
Breaking and entering = not so good.
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DevilC
Location: Washington, District of Corruption
Gender: Male
I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their views.
| |  | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 4 on 1/27/2007 2:19 AM >
| | | | Posted by rooster
On a Mission?
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I usually have an official cover. . . .
What kinda' mission are YOU talking about dude?
Science flies you to the Moon. Religion flies you into tall buildings. |
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secretdestroyers
Location: Baltimore
Gender: Male
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 5 on 1/27/2007 2:25 AM >
| | | | you can stretch the truth but don't lie to cops.
F this I"m going exploring! |
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rooster
Location: titletown, wi,
Gender: Male
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 6 on 1/27/2007 4:28 PM >
| | | | WOW!!! great advice!! I really like the keep it simple idea!!To many details & you might get lost in it! I have been confronted by cops in the past not on an ue but stupid kid shit! I have found out over the years to take on the YES SIR,NO SIR way of dealin with them! My mission is old waterfront warehousing from the mid to late 1800's !! As or the ue coc, my goal is to take only photos & leave only the essence of my conquest!! I'm a history buff not a thief!
God willin & the creeks don't rise |
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 7 on 1/27/2007 4:39 PM >
| | | | The simplest advice on getting caught always boils down to "Don't run from, or lie to, a cop. But it's okay to do either with rent-a-cop security guards. Cops are largely professional and understanding as long as they believe you. Even if a security guard believes you, he's still an insecure jerk who'll try to make your life miserable".
Of course, that's not to say you can't fudge details with a cop, claim that noticed an open gate, or a friend told you the abandonment was on federal land, or that you didn't realise it was a crime or you wouldn't have done it. I mean, cops are people too, and if they believe this was a stupid mistake and you weren't purposely flaunting the law, then they'll go easier on you.
"I know it's illegal but I don't believe the law applies to me, only to real criminals" won't win you any points in the eyes of a police officer - so fudge the truth a bit, you were "interested in taking photos, *but*..."
It's why I don't use the term "urban explorer" when explaining myself - I simply "drove by the place a million times and always wondered what it would be like inside" or "was walking along that road last week, and noticed this place and thought I'd come back with a camera".
Being an "urban explorer" is like being a "skateboarder", it's not illegal...but the fact is that they're going to assume you're a snotty-nosed kid with attitude who thinks the rules don't apply to them. Much better to get lumped in with the "Yeah, some idiot decided it'd be a good idea to climb in the window to get artsy photographs of pigeon poop on the rafters". One way they're tempted to "teach you a lesson", the other way they just to make sure you realise that you're an idiot.
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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Glass
Location: Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 8 on 1/27/2007 5:15 PM >
| | | | Lying to cops is fun and educational.
Oh, and it's perfectly legal.
[last edit 1/27/2007 5:17 PM by Glass - edited 1 times]
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cedew
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 9 on 1/27/2007 6:22 PM >
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Somewhat true, and terrible advice.
"Obstruction of justice: In a common law state, refers to the crime of offering interference of any sort to the work of police, investigators, regulatory agencies, prosecutors, or other (usually government) officials. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice."
Giving false information(also known as "lying"), can be considered Obstruction of Justice. Sure, most times there is no punishment for lying, but there easily could be.
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Glass
Location: Chicago
as one does
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 10 on 1/27/2007 7:31 PM >
| | | | I've had run-ins with the cops more than once, and I find that they'd rather believe a convenient lie and release me than the complicated truth and suspect worse.
You can all do what works best for you. The ideal answer to this thread is (as most threads) "It depends on where you are, who were are, what you're doing and how you're doing it."
But that seemed too simple of a response so I opted for the unconventional wisdom.
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Sentinel
Location: Lawrence, KS
Gender: Male
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 11 on 1/27/2007 11:15 PM >
| | | | Ive always found that not lying to the cops is the best thing to do. They are trained in reading people and are a lot smarter than most think.
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NAN
Location: rochester NY
bathroom expert
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 12 on 1/28/2007 12:14 AM >
| | | | I have always said. " I am leaving." and just start walking away. I don't turn back no matter what they say. So far it's worked.
Through the darkness of future's past
The magician longs to see
Once chants out between two worlds Fire, walk with me |
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 13 on 1/28/2007 5:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by Yehoshua
The simplest advice on getting caught always boils down to "Don't run from, or lie to, a cop. But it's okay to do either with rent-a-cop security guards. Cops are largely professional and understanding as long as they believe you. Even if a security guard believes you, he's still an insecure jerk who'll try to make your life miserable".
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Nice to see you like to paint all security guards with the same brush. Lying to or running from a security guard doesn't help your case. Most (myself included) will just call the cops in a situation like that and won't go easy on you. If you get caught and there was something found damaged or missing, charges will be laid.
And as for the 'insecure jerk' comment, security guards also have a job to do. Most guards are just trying to make a living and just can't justify wasting their time making your life miserable. If you don't believe me, try working as a guard sometime.
Just tell the truth, don't try running and most likely the guard will just ask you to leave.
[last edit 1/28/2007 5:17 AM by rainman8889 - edited 1 times]
Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. |
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blackhawk
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Location: Mission Control
UER newbie
| | | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 14 on 1/28/2007 7:16 AM >
| | | | There are different ways to achieve the same ends, but being disrespectful of a property owner, security guard, cop, ranger, fed, etc. is just asking for it.
Never lie when the truth would serve you better.
I take pictures of more than just old buildings so sometimes I'm taking pics of wildlife...
Just when I thought I was out... they pulled me back in.
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 15 on 1/28/2007 9:32 AM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
Lying to or running from a security guard doesn't help your case. Most (myself included) will just call the cops in a situation like that and won't go easy on you.
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No offence mate, but if I take *my* advice and run from you, as you said, you retreat to your office to phone the police...surprise, I'm out of there long before they arrive. Security guards obviously don't enter "dangerous pursuit" if there's a possibility of violence ensuing, so if they don't know who I am, they call police and let them handle it. If you decide to phone the police because I ran, I've already won.
Posted by rainman8889
If you don't believe me, try working as a guard sometime.
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I have. Thanks.
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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EXElent
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 16 on 1/28/2007 12:48 PM >
|  | | | I get nervous around cops because I start thinking "criminal record" and all that. I usually give out the impression that I'm a dangerous criminal even when I'm walking though the park and a cop says "hello".
With security guards and regular joes it's a whole different story. Usually guards are calm but when a joe starts yelling I tell him "good day, how are you?", the joe mumbles something about private property, I tell him I'm not breaking anything (except the law maybe) and ask him if he wants me to leave, he says something about private property again and I wish him a good day again and leave.
On avance toujours... |
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Draug
Location: Managua, Nicaragua
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 17 on 1/28/2007 4:01 PM >
| | | | Keep 10-20 dollars in your pocket. If the police bust you, just pay 'em off. The third world does have it's benefits. 
Downside is the police is very violent, and armed with automatic rifles...
EDIT:
Apparently, I should clarify: I'm not talking about Eastern Europe here. I'm talking about Nicaragua. Also, no, the police won't shoot you on sight, but I am positive they will assume any UE will be criminal activity, and they are tough on small crime here.
I have not seen or heard of any police officers shooting people, but I have seen them beating people with the butt of their guns for merely squirming.
As for the bribery, since I'm "gringo", they will be more inclined to be nice. As long as I pay. I already know people who have paid their way out of stuff for 10-20 dollars.
Sorry for any "noobishness". I guess I wasn't serious enough.
[last edit 1/28/2007 5:27 PM by Draug - edited 2 times]
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rainman8889
Location: H.T.S.F.C. Time to gain and a time to lose.
Bye for now.
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 18 on 1/28/2007 4:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Yehoshua
No offence mate, but if I take *my* advice and run from you, as you said, you retreat to your office to phone the police...surprise, I'm out of there long before they arrive. Security guards obviously don't enter "dangerous pursuit" if there's a possibility of violence ensuing, so if they don't know who I am, they call police and let them handle it. If you decide to phone the police because I ran, I've already won.
I have. Thanks.
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Fine there but what happens with cameras? And when the guard gets a good description of you? Or the guard gets lucky and gets your plate number? Your luck won't always be around for you.
And I still don't believe you worked security. Or at least stayed long enough to know what you're talking about.
But, hey, if you figure it's okay to be disrespectful to people, just don't bother whining when someone else is disrespectful to you. What comes around, goes around.
[last edit 1/28/2007 4:11 PM by rainman8889 - edited 1 times]
Gone for a while. Be back when I'm back. |
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Yehoshua
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
| | Re: ? to say if confronted on a mission?????
<Reply # 19 on 1/28/2007 4:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by rainman8889
Fine there but what happens with cameras? And when the guard gets a good description of you? Or the guard gets lucky and gets your plate number? Your luck won't always be around for you.
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"There was a guy here, he had brown hair, a green shirt and blue jeans! Go arrest people you know who own green shirts!" Face it, unless they are some small-town criminal well-known to police, it doesn't matter if you have a good description of me, or I appear on a surveillance camera. These aren't ATM/bank cameras, they're not capturing intricate details on the shape of my nose, pictures can't be printed in the local paper, they capture the fact there's somebody walking around. Video evidence is damning *if* they also catch you, it won't help them catch you unless as mentioned, it's a close-up camera like in a taxicab, behind a bank teller, or on an ATM. A camera in a warehouse is great evidence if they *catch* me at the scene, but once I'm away, it doesn't do shit.
Posted by rainman8889
And I still don't believe you worked security. Or at least stayed long enough to know what you're talking about.
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I probably didn't "stay long enough" as you put it, but so what? I didn't use the fact I'd worked security to bolster my argument, I only pointed it out after you tried to use the fact *you* worked security to bolster yours and claimed I was ignorant since I "hadn't".
Posted by rainman8889
But, hey, if you figure it's okay to be disrespectful to people, just don't bother whining when someone else is disrespectful to you. What comes around, goes around.
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If it comes down to a kid being disrespectful and running from me, or the kid spending a night in prison and paying $800 in court costs, I'm not going to begrudge him for running. Surprisingly, you don't have to be polite and respectful to every single person in the world - especially not if their purpose is going to make your existence more miserable. You know what, if the kid who made my Nikes ever comes to Toronto, I grant him full and complete license to kick me in the shin and call me a corporate bastard.
Our Citizen.
Our Justice.
Bring Omar Khadr back to Canada. |
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