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 el nerdo
          
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
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<Reply # 40 on 2/20/2006 5:35 PM >
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What I see it as is more like your tax dollars, people have a right to know how much tax money is collected and how it's spent.
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Sorry, there's a big fallacy there: paying taxes is *not* optional.
Donating to the site is.
And the only reason charities must itemize is to receive tax benefits.
None of those apply here.
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Mike Dijital
 
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
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<Reply # 41 on 2/20/2006 5:38 PM >
| | | | Jester if im not mistaken I believe I sent your cam fund about 38 bucks, you can thank me later
=)
www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 42 on 2/20/2006 5:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
Sorry, there's a big fallacy there: paying taxes is *not* optional.
Donating to the site is.
And the only reason charities must itemize is to receive tax benefits.
None of those apply here.
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Nerdo, you are the KING of ignoring one part of a post while quoting another to try to make your basis of argument.
I also said charities being accountable for donations...
Jesus, this is like dealing with the government. Where'd the money go ? What money ? We didn't see any money...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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el nerdo
Chief UER Lackey
Gender: Male
What are you, from the Department of Know'm Sayin's? You takin' a Know'm census?
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<Reply # 43 on 2/20/2006 5:47 PM >
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Nerdo, you are the KING of ignoring one part of a post while quoting another to try to make your basis of argument.
I also said charities being accountable for donations...
Jesus, this is like dealing with the government. Where'd the money go ? What money ? We didn't see any money...
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You are SO dense when you want to be!
I told you: CHARITIES HAVE TO ITEMIZE (aka "being accountable") BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES.
They don't do it for the donators! They do it because they're required BY LAW for tax purposes.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 44 on 2/20/2006 5:49 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
Jester if im not mistaken I believe I sent your cam fund about 38 bucks, you can thank me later
=)
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Mike, Thank you very much. It was a very generous gesture, and really appreciated. It really turned a bad experience into a reaffirmation that there are good people out there.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 45 on 2/20/2006 5:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by el nerdo
You are SO dense when you want to be!
I told you: CHARITIES HAVE TO ITEMIZE (aka "being accountable") BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY TAXES.
They don't do it for the donators! They do it because they're required BY LAW for tax purposes.
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So instead of doing something in good faith, people will only ever do what they are legally bound to do ?
I'd like to think there are some people that would do more than that.
Like places I've been that ask for donations, and when you donate, put a little tag up on the wall or window with your name and amount donated (unless you ask for it not to be shown).
What's the rational argument against showing what comes in ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 46 on 2/20/2006 6:10 PM >
| | | | I think I put enough of my time and money into this site. Asking me to waste time updating a page of donors every time a new donation comes in is somewhat ridiculous.
What's the problem here? Do you not believe me when I say that hosting costs $150 US a month? Perhaps I need to scan in my personal financial records?
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 47 on 2/20/2006 6:16 PM >
| | | | For the record, I just donated $10 because you shouldn't have to put up with shit like this.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 48 on 2/20/2006 6:22 PM >
| | | | Thank you, Micro. It's very much appreciated.
I guess some people get it, and some people don't. A donation should be given out of the goodness of your heart, with no expectations of ANYTHING in return. If you don't feel like giving out of the goodness of your heart, you shouldn't be donating.
Jester doesn't seem to "get" this concept. As you can see, he has never donated -- based on the tone of his posts, I get the impression that he would expect something in return for donating.
I frequently donate money to websites that I like. For example, I sent $15 to the website that hosted "True Porn Clerk Stories", an excellent read chronicling the life of a video store clerk (go look it up). I donated $10 to the hosts of the website g15forums.com because I found them incredibly useful. In each instance, I was giving thanks for what had been provided to me. I was not "buying" something.
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 49 on 2/20/2006 6:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I guess some people get it, and some people don't. A donation should be given out of the goodness of your heart, with no expectations of ANYTHING in return. If you don't feel like giving out of the goodness of your heart, you shouldn't be donating.
Jester doesn't seem to "get" this concept. As you can see, he has never donated -- based on the tone of his posts, I get the impression that he would expect something in return for donating.
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Actually, you fail to understand what I said entirely.
When donating, it's nice to know how the money is allocated. Like if you reach your goal say 2/3 of the way through each month, and donations keep coming in, then what does the extra cash go towards ? Server upgrades ? Candy ? Porn ? New tail ? It'd just be nice to know how much overage occurs. I mean I'd expect donations to still come in throughout the month to some degree.
Someone else I mentioned this too said it would be really cool (if there were overages), for the overages to be used for things to reward the people that donated, when it was feasible to do so. Like buying a bunch of the 5100 Zine that Reduxzero has put out, and having them sent to the donators. Things like that if there's overages, a surprise gift like that would absolutely make the day of those donators. But that was just a random thought he had about extra donation moneys.
As for my donating, I'm sorry, I felt that guarding your sandbox for many hours a day (off and on constantly through 8 hours of work, then whenever I'm online at home, to make sure things were going fine) for the last 3+ years was more a more valuable donation than a few bucks would have been.
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 50 on 2/20/2006 6:53 PM >
| | | | Most of the donations come in during the monthly "Donation Tally" period. However, those that come in on other days simply sit in the paypal account, and go towards the next month's hosting. I try my best to keep a surplus, so I can still pay for the site if donations become sparse.
As nice as it would be to mail people stuff, I think you overestimate how much money this site takes in. Even the $150 that I ask for every month doesn't fully cover the cost of the server -- the difference comes out my own pocket.
If redux wishes to mail his zines to people, that's his perogative. But those who donate to UER should not expect any kind of "gift" as a reward -- that's not what donations are about.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 51 on 2/20/2006 7:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
But that was just a random thought he had about extra donation moneys.
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I didn't say it was my idea, because it wasn't. I just mentioned it for what it was, someone elses random idea.
I thought you've stated that $150 was the total monthly cost ? Now it's not ?
Why put up a message saying you need $150, if you really need $175 or something ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 52 on 2/20/2006 7:12 PM >
| | | | Because $150 is close enough. The actual cost is $150 converted to canadian dollars. Then I have to pay things like $35 a year to renew the UER.CA domain name. And that's also not including the little fees and whatnot that accumulate. Don't forget paypal's fee -- they take 3.5 %. So with $150, I'm really only getting $144.75. Plus I lose more money when I convert it to Canadian funds so I can use it to pay off my credit card.
But I do all of this out of my own pocket and with my own time because I love this site and it's my investment into it.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 53 on 2/20/2006 7:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
Then I have to pay things like $35 a year to renew the UER.CA domain name.
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Why do you pay $35 to renew a domain name ?
Isn't that almost 300% more than you can pay ? or at least double...
Cheapest I know of is around $9.95 a year for .CA
Lots are around $15 I think...
Who charges $35 ?
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Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 54 on 2/20/2006 7:48 PM >
| | | | The company I use charges $35. They are a great company.
I don't really feel the requirement to argue my hosting or domain purchasing decisions with you.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 55 on 2/20/2006 7:54 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
The company I use charges $35. They are a great company.
I don't really feel the requirement to argue my hosting or domain purchasing decisions with you.
-av
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It was a discussion, not an agrument.
That's a pretty steep charge, but it's your money. 
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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David E
Location: San Francisco, CA
Gender: Male
Do not believe everything you see on TV.
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<Reply # 56 on 2/20/2006 7:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I don't really feel the requirement to argue my hosting or domain purchasing decisions with you.
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True, you probably don't feel the requirement, but it would be nice to have an accounting of our (no, I have never donated) funds. And if there is more money needed, why state that a lower amount is needed? Plenty of people here make sure that your costs are met, if you need more, raise the boom. No one bases their trust/faith/whatthefuck of you on what you do with the money, it is what YOU DO WITH THE SITE that matters to most here. Yes, it is a bitch what you do. And yes, most here do not fully recognize what it takes to run such a site and have all the initial upkeep come from their pockets. But... They do understand that they would like a little bang for their buck (and yes, you do provide that). You do a good job here, Av, but you do need to be more receptive to your members' needs.
David
FREE THE UER 6! DOWN WITH UER LACKEYS! And to the mod that changed my sig, blow me! |
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Opheliaism
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
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<Reply # 57 on 2/20/2006 8:13 PM >
| | | | I look at the donations as a gratuity. Work as a bartender or a server and you will understand the concept. It shows appreciation for a job well done. They say the standard percentage for a "tip" is 10% - 15% although 20% is should be the norm. If you calculated the time spent on here and broke it down in to entertainment value, I am sure that the small amount requested would fall well below the 10% range. I am just saying that is the way "I" look at it, as thanks for the service. Even if I have a bad service or do not particularly care for the server's attitude, I will still tip the standard amount because they still provided service.
Show up at 9:30 with 15 dollars cash and your fingers crossed.
<Mandias> I think she's gonna slug that cop. -------------------------------------------------------- <Axle> "She's just not a farmer Owen, she has too much of her Father in her." <Axle> Death by Hut |
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
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<Reply # 58 on 2/20/2006 8:26 PM >
| | | | I actually don't earn anything for myself from UER, not even 10% or whatever number you had in mind. But that's fine -- I don't do this to make money.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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Opheliaism
Moderator
Location: Out on the border of everything and nothing, TN
Ophie
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<Reply # 59 on 2/20/2006 8:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I actually don't earn anything for myself from UER, not even 10% or whatever number you had in mind. But that's fine -- I don't do this to make money.
-av
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I wasn't implying that...I actually forgot to mention that servers only make $2.13 and bartending around $5 and compare that to the fact that you make nothing....just pointing out that it should be out of apprecation for service.
EDIT: Actually just stating my view of donation. You can't make some people tip no matter how good of service you give them! I know that more than anyone.
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Show up at 9:30 with 15 dollars cash and your fingers crossed.
<Mandias> I think she's gonna slug that cop. -------------------------------------------------------- <Axle> "She's just not a farmer Owen, she has too much of her Father in her." <Axle> Death by Hut |
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