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<Reply # 20 on 4/29/2006 11:00 PM >
|  | | | This place looks amazing. Thanks for the pictures.
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<Reply # 21 on 5/1/2006 4:07 PM >
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I would assume that the showers are in case of a nuclear whatever, in order to "shower off" the radiation???
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Prolly more along the lines of putting yourself out if your on fire or for nasty chemicals like rocket fuel.
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<Reply # 22 on 5/1/2006 11:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by SpookyDan
Prolly more along the lines of putting yourself out if your on fire or for nasty chemicals like rocket fuel.
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Putting yourself out when you are on fire, that would suck.
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<Reply # 23 on 5/2/2006 12:35 AM >
| | | | Those look like chemical showers. In some facilities they did indeed have decom showers for radiation to be used by people entering from the outside. There would be multijet nozzles at different heights on both sides. This would be found near an entrance with an adjoining shower area for futher clean-up. Thoughtful bastards.
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Corporal_Clegg
Location: Baltimore, MD
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<Reply # 24 on 5/2/2006 9:43 PM >
| | | | There is an abandoned Nike base around my area also, the kids here say people will try to lock you in the place since an apartment building is right around the corner of it. I thought about riding my bike up to it, but it is 8 miles away and I have no idea where to put my bike so it doesnt get stolen. The place looks wicked cool.
I used to live in Maryland but I moved to Pendleton, New York; quite the boring place....
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KCSILO60
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<Reply # 25 on 8/24/2006 8:28 PM >
| | | | I ACTUALLY OWN A NIKE MISSILE LAUNCH FACILITY IN KANSAS AND IT IS PRETTY FREAKING COOL. THE ONLY PART THAT SUCKS IS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PUMPING THE WATER OUT OF THE SILOS TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS STILL OPERATIONAL. I COULD GIVE SOME INFO IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED..
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<Reply # 26 on 8/24/2006 10:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by KCSILO60
I ACTUALLY OWN A NIKE MISSILE LAUNCH FACILITY IN KANSAS AND IT IS PRETTY FREAKING COOL. THE ONLY PART THAT SUCKS IS I AM IN THE PROCESS OF PUMPING THE WATER OUT OF THE SILOS TO SEE IF ANYTHING IS STILL OPERATIONAL. I COULD GIVE SOME INFO IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED..
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There are not silos found at Nike sites, just underground storage magazines if they were present at that site. All Nike missiles were launch above ground. Maybe you own an ICBM launch facility...
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<Reply # 27 on 8/25/2006 12:25 AM >
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Lock it up in the woods or at the nearest street sign.
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KCSILO60
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<Reply # 28 on 11/28/2006 4:52 PM >
|  | | | Sorry i called them silo's they were missile batteries storing 5,10,20 and 40 killaton missiles of wich some were nuclear. Kansas city was considered the number 3 target because of Bendix-King at the time was building all of the nuclear triggers at that time in the US
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olivia
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<Reply # 29 on 12/9/2006 8:36 PM >
| | | | This seems pretty cool... but your images appear to be broken. 
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TDK1000
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<Reply # 30 on 12/10/2006 5:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by KCSILO60
Sorry i called them silo's they were missile batteries storing 5,10,20 and 40 killaton missiles of wich some were nuclear. Kansas city was considered the number 3 target because of Bendix-King at the time was building all of the nuclear triggers at that time in the US
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You don't own shit.
Anyone who has the money to buy such a place would also have enough intelligence to spell basic words correctly.
It’s kiloton by the way.
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<Reply # 31 on 12/13/2006 8:47 AM >
| | | | The showers there were to wash off any hazardous materials in an emergency. Of course they could be used to remove radioactive fallout too, but alas, there weren't provisions built-into the Nike system to protect crews from such things.
There were a couple emergency showers above-ground, and then numerous ones in the underground storage magazines.
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<Reply # 32 on 12/13/2006 3:08 PM >
| | | | Posted by /-/ooligan
The showers there were to wash off any hazardous materials in an emergency. Of course they could be used to remove radioactive fallout too, but alas, there weren't provisions built-into the Nike system to protect crews from such things.
There were a couple emergency showers above-ground, and then numerous ones in the underground storage magazines.
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Not so. I've seen one missile Master complete with a full decontamination room with a walk through multi- nozzle shower to start. Harden, with a complete filter positive pressure air ventilation system with a massive HVAC unit(s) circa 1957.
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<Reply # 33 on 12/14/2006 7:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Not so. I've seen one missile Master complete with a full decontamination room with a walk through multi- nozzle shower to start. Harden, with a complete filter positive pressure air ventilation system with a massive HVAC unit(s) circa 1957.
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I should have been clearer about it, but I was referring to the Nike launch battery & IFC sites, specifically the couple of above-ground showers & numerous emergency showers inside each Nike underground storage magazine site.
I totally agree with you that the MISSILE MASTER sites at the Army Air Defense Command Post for each Nike protection area would've had decon chambers.
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<Reply # 34 on 12/14/2006 8:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by /-/ooligan
I should have been clearer about it, but I was referring to the Nike launch battery & IFC sites, specifically the couple of above-ground showers & numerous emergency showers inside each Nike underground storage magazine site.
I totally agree with you that the MISSILE MASTER sites at the Army Air Defense Command Post for each Nike protection area would've had decon chambers.
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That seems to be the case, but even the Missile Masters would have been unable to withstand a near strike. It's still great fun to see all the thought that went into those systems.
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<Reply # 35 on 12/15/2006 4:45 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
That seems to be the case, but even the Missile Masters would have been unable to withstand a near strike. It's still great fun to see all the thought that went into those systems.
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Back then (guidance system accuracy), most places that weren't going to be covert or clandestine were designed to just be hardened up as best they could for a near miss -- Missile Masters, SAGE buildings, Cheyenne Mountain, Site-R, AT&T L-3 Main Stations, etc.
But then with some other places (Greek Island/Casper at the Greenbrier Resort) they made some feeble efforts to make the place 'black' so that theoretically, the Soviets wouldn't have even known it existed, and thus not targeted it.
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| | | Re: Maryland Nike Launch Site
<Reply # 36 on 12/15/2006 5:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by /-/ooligan
Back then (guidance system accuracy), most places that weren't going to be covert or clandestine were designed to just be hardened up as best they could for a near miss -- Missile Masters, SAGE buildings, Cheyenne Mountain, Site-R, AT&T L-3 Main Stations, etc.
But then with some other places (Greek Island/Casper at the Greenbrier Resort) they made some feeble efforts to make the place 'black' so that theoretically, the Soviets wouldn't have even known it existed, and thus not targeted it.
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I don't think the Nike system was designed with the intention the it would survive direct targeting should the enemy missiles slip through the Nike umbrella. Armed with nuclear warheads, the Nike missiles were formidable. Rather the Nike bases were designed to survive their own missiles exploding in the skies and space above.
The AT$T bunkers were a lot tougher, design to survive a direct or near direct hit. communications is the most vital asset in an attack.
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<Reply # 37 on 12/15/2006 6:42 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
The AT$T bunkers were a lot tougher, design to survive a direct or near direct hit. communications is the most vital asset in an attack.
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Can you name some that you think were designed to survive a direct hit??
I've been to a variety of current/former hardened AT&T sites == Hillsboro, Fairview, Lamar, Lyons L-3/4 Main Station & ABNCP Ground Entry Points, and even several of the very special 'Potomac' mountaintop sites & all are hardened, but none were ever designed to survive a direct hit. "Near direct hit" of course depends on the yield, airburst vs. groundburst, & distance.
The L-3/L-4 cables that handled gov't telecommunications traffic were just buried a couple feet below grade, so while obviously communications are necessary in order to provide command, control & intelligence, the main thing about communications was redundancy.
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<Reply # 38 on 12/15/2006 3:55 PM >
| | | | Posted by /-/ooligan
Can you name some that you think were designed to survive a direct hit??
I've been to a variety of current/former hardened AT&T sites == Hillsboro, Fairview, Lamar, Lyons L-3/4 Main Station & ABNCP Ground Entry Points, and even several of the very special 'Potomac' mountaintop sites & all are hardened, but none were ever designed to survive a direct hit. "Near direct hit" of course depends on the yield, airburst vs. groundburst, & distance.
The L-3/L-4 cables that handled gov't telecommunications traffic were just buried a couple feet below grade, so while obviously communications are necessary in order to provide command, control & intelligence, the main thing about communications was redundancy.
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Any of the ones that that spring loaded shocks on equipment where intended to survive direct targeting, I believe. At least in that era. The thick underground blast doors are another feature as well as retracting underground antenna and harden solid block concrete microwave antenna.
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<Reply # 39 on 12/16/2006 5:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by blackhawk
Any of the ones that that spring loaded shocks on equipment where intended to survive direct targeting, I believe. At least in that era. The thick underground blast doors are another feature as well as retracting underground antenna and harden solid block concrete microwave antenna.
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Well, we totally disagree that shock mounts were an attempt to survive a direct hit. Shock mounts aren't going to help out too much if the entire structure is incinerated, or the roof collapses, or the overpressure causes the site to implode.
There's a decent amount od old AT&T/Bell Labs/Western Electric literature from the 1950s - 1970s out there which discusses the protection factors for various telco sites that have critical government comm circuits passing thru them. Albert LaFrance has assembled many on his web page. I seem to recall 100psi overpressure being the max. blast protection factor for most of them, and 100psi is impressive (pun intended) but I think it's a wee-bit below what would have been expected at ground zero of a nuclear blast.
I've been all thru the FEMA bunker in Olney, MD & it had the double set of blast doors, pop-up antennas, floor & ceiling-mounted shock isolators, etc. plus I've been in a Titan & a couple Minuteman launch control centers that had all that stuff, and they had no confusion that the site wouldn't survive a direct hit.
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