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 Ludichris106
  
Location: Melbourne, FL
Gender: Male
 |  |  | NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
< on 11/3/2005 1:31 AM >
|  | | | THE FOLLOWING IS BASICALLY AN E-MAIL I SENT TO SOME FRIENDS OF MINE WHO ARE GOING TO GO URBAN EXPLORING WITH ME. IT HAS ALOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION. SOME OF THE INFO I HAVE TAKEN FROM THIS WEBSITE AND OTHER SITES BUT IM SORRY I FORGOT TO LIST WHICH ONES. I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR ANYTHING I HAVE TYPED HERE:
start e-mail
Here are some things you will NEED to start safely (as safe as we have the power to make it I mean) going Urban Exploring
RULES
Please go check out this site
<http://bellsouthpw...niac/uef/rules.htm > as those are the generally rules we will be following so none of us fucking die.
It's exploring, lets be curious but lets be smart about it at the same time.
As the group from Miami says:
"These are the rules and guidelines that we follow when we explore. We generally follow the motto "Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints." These rules serve several purposes, first and foremost to ensure our safety while exploring. We also do not wish to damage or deface any of the property, even if it is derelict, so that other's in the future may enjoy it. The rules also serve to minimize legal consequences if we are found at a site."
++++++++++ ASBESTOS MASK ***MANDATORY ON EVERY MISSION***
IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD AN ASBESTOS MASK/RESPIRATOR:
TO FUCKING BAD, YOU ARE NOT COMING ON THE TRIP
- DON’T TRY AND SAVE SOME MONEY BY GETTING A 5 DOLLAR HOSPITAL MASK. This is your health were talking about. Most masks/respirators cost at least $20 or more.
- you can find a good mask at your local Hardware store.
- *****Don’t buy it unless the filter is rated P100 or N100 and it says so on the box and the box is unopened.***** P95 and N95 will still allow for asbestos poisoning to occur
- make sure the mask/respirator fits properly and that you are comfortable wearing it. ---------- I suggest you jump up and down a few times with the mask on (in the store BEFORE you buy it) to see if the seal on your face breaks (making the mask ineffective)
- make sure it’s not too heavy and wont fall off when you are running from possible occupants of exploration sites (bums and authority figures alike)
- make sure you can wear it comfortably with your goggles (see below) and your head lamp/head light (see below)
A P100 mask removes 99.97% of particulate matter 0.3 um (micrometers) or greater, and can remove oil-based aerosols. An N100 mask cannot be used with oil-based aerosols.
SOME THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW:
- P100 and N100 masks are suitable for removing asbestos.
- P95 and N95 masks are not suitable for removing asbestos.
- If it is equipped with an organic vapor cartridge, it can also remove such vapors as gasoline, benzene, etc., but it is NOT usable against hydrogen sulfide, or low oxygen concentrations.
-OV cartridges are also ineffective against certain compounds (e.g. butane) due to short service life.
According to OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Adm.) standards workers need to be fit tested for these before actually using them.
TO SEE IF YOUR MASK/RESPIRATOR FITS, PERFORM THE FOLLOWING STEPS:
1) Put it on (duh)
2) Put your hand over the cartridges (two purple filters) and try to breathe in. If the mask fits securely on your face, you SHOULD NOT be able to breathe at all.
3) Put your hand over the black vent in the bottom middle and try to breathe out. If the mask fist securely on your face, you SHOULD NOT be able to push any air out.
IF YOU CAN BREATH IN OR OUT AT ALL WHILE PERFORMING THESE STEPS, THE MASK IS NOT FITTING RIGHT.
DON’T GET A MASK THAT’S LETTING ON ONLY A LITTLE BIT OF AIR IN OR OUT WHEN YOU PERFORM THESE STEPS.
++++++++++ RIPSTOP CLOTHING *HIGHLY RECCOMENDED and PRACTICALLY MANDATORY*
IF YOU CANT AFFOR RIPSTOP CLOTHING:
MAKE SURE YOUR CLOTHING HAS THE FOLLOWING PROPERTIES
-it won’t hinder your movement or range of motion
-its comfortable
-it is not baggy, you don’t want loose clothing to be caught on a nail or something similar
(if you can fit a small can of soup in your shirt/pant leg and have it not be noticeable, its baggy clothing)
-don’t go for heavy clothing that absorbs and retains water/moisture. Synthetics like mixes of polyester and cotton or nylon and cotton dry faster.
-clothing you don’t particularly care for or will worry about if they get completely ruined. (ripstop clothing is likely to last the longest, that way you wont have to keep going back to Goodwill or Salvation Army and buying pants and shirts for 2 bucks a pop)
Get the "NEW! NAVY BLUE RIPSTOP TACTICAL 2 PKT BDU SHIRT"
And the "NAVY BLUE RIPSTOP BDU PANTS" (none of the other selections say ripstop)
From this site:
<http://www.outinst...sletter/BDUSPECIAL > pants and shirt cost a total of 30 bucks and shipping
++++++++++ SHOES
IF U CAN’T AFFORD A NEW PAIR OF SHOES:
MAKE SURE YOU SHOES HAVE THE FOLLOWING PROPERTIES
-thick RUBBER sole (about and inch or so will do fine)
-make sure you can climb fences with them
-make sure they are comfortable and won’t give you blisters
-make sure the laces, when tied the way you like tied, won’t get caught on anything such as nails or random crap on the floor/wall
-shoes you don’t particularly care for or will worry about if they get completely ruined. (steel toe shoes will protect your toe, and if you get nice thick hard rubber soles they will last longer, that way your not searching all over the city of Miami at Payless Shoes to buy cheap/uncomfortable wanna-be-caterpillar boots that still wont last as long)
Pick a shoe from this site that has a steel toe, and what you feel appears to be rugged tread.
<http://www.bizrate...s__att259--258283-,cat_id--10150000,sort--5.html >
********** [remember your might be climbing fences with these shoes] **********
The shoe I picked:
< http://www.bargain.../cb/cb.asp?a=76237> for about 35 bucks and shipping – it has a steel toe and looks like a high top sneaker, very indiscrete
Another good pick if you want to look better than I do is this caterpillar boot:
< http://www.oversto...me&prod_id=1502785 >
++++++++++ GOGGLES
- get a pair that form some kind of seal around your eyes so dust and crap doesn’t get into them.
- make sure they are comfortable and you can wear them with your head lamp/head light (see below) and your asbestos mask/respirator (see above)
- make sure you still have some peripheral vision (the opposite of tunnel vision)
- examples: swimming goggles (the kind with the loose foam that professional swimmers use) they are like 5 bucks
++++++++++ HEAD LAMP/HEAD LIGHT
IF U CAN’T AFFORD A NEW HEAD LAMP/HEAD LIGHT:
MAKE SURE YOU HEAD LAMP/HEAD LIGHT HAS THE FOLLOWING PROPERTIES
- make sure they are comfortable and you can wear them with your goggles (see above) and your asbestos mask/respirator (see above)
- make sure it doesn’t weight to much and it has a good battery life and more than one bulb/light incase one burns out while in use
Buy a Rayovac Sportsman 3-in-1 Headlight/Flashlight (NOT NECESSARILY FROM THIS WEBSITE)
(buy that specific model cause it has red-light/"night-vision" so you can see but you don't make the room your in glow white with regular light)
<http://www.healthy...o&products_id=3143 >
for about 12 bucks and shipping
++++++++++ MINI FIRST-AID KIT (MANDATORY ON EVERY MISSION)
Should have things like: ointment for cleaning and disinfecting cuts / gauze / band-aids / duct tape / anti-itch cream / bug repellant (OFF-Brand “Deepwoods” Max formula) / etc
- ROPE
Get this at the hardware store
- GLOVES
Optional but I suggest you bring gloves that fit snugly at the fingertips and don't interfere with grip.
- KNEE AND ELBOW PADS
Buy these Knee pads (for the same reasons)
<http://www.profess...363/qx/default.htm > for about 10 bucks and shipping
Buy these elbow pads (cause they are cheap and actually fucking work, skating elbow pads and that bullshit won't work) <http://www.profess...363/qx/default.htm > for about 15 bucks and shipping
You will need the following in addition:
*Glowstick $1
*Wistle $1
*Lighter $1
*Regular Flashlight $5
*Additional batteries $5
*Mini First-Aid kit (Prices Vary)
So we have a total in $ of the following ESSENTIALS:
Asbestos Mask/Respirator $25
Ripstop Shirts and Pants $40  that’s including shipping and handling on the BDU SPECIAL pant/shirt
(I’m not including this in the total, go buy some crappy clothes at Goodwill or Salvation Army or a Thrift store for less than 10 bucks, SAVE SOME MONEY)
Boots $35 (I'm not including this in the total, I just didn’t have a pair of sneakers that had any rugged treading on it, unless you count skate shoes as rugged treading)
Goggles $5-10
Head Lamp/Light $13
Glowstick $1
Wistle $1
Lighter $1
Regular Flashlight $5
Additional batteries $5
ESTIMATED SUB-TOTAL $130
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MINUS THE NEW BOOTS -$35
MINUS THE NEW RIPSTOP SHIRT AND PANTS -$40
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EXTIMATED TOTAL OVERALL = $55 to start going Urban Exploring
[STUFF WE WILL BE BRINGING WITH US]
EXPIDITION CHECK-OFF LIST *M* = Mandatory
*M* MASK FOR ASBESTOS _____
*M* RIPSTOP PANTS AND SHIRT (basically clothing that can be ruined) _____
*M* SHOES _____
*M* GOGGLES _____
*M* HEAD LIGHT/LAMP _____
*M* MINI FIRST-AID KIT ? (***MANDATORY ON EVERY EXPIDITION***) _____
*M* ROPE _____
KNEE PADS _____
GLOVES _____
*M* ADDITIONAL BATTERIES _____
*M* WISTLE _____
*M* GLOWSTICK _____
*M* LIGHTER _____
*M* FOOD (GOOD ENERGY FOOD, NOT SNICKERS) _____
*M* DRINKS (WATER WORKS BUT GATORADE HELPS MORE) _____
PEN AND PAPER (FOR TAKING NOTES ON LOCATION) _____
end e-mail
I hope this message helped people. Please respond and add whatever you feel i left out so that people just starting out dont die on their first expidition (not to be a jerk but people can die).
Later,
Chris (a new member to the forums
Later,
Chris (aka: Madd Hatter)
------------------------------ "...I'm not saying we should eradicate stupid people, I'm just saying we should remove the warning labels from products and let the problem work itself out..." |
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HillbillyHorus
Location: Charlottesville Virginia
Gender: Male
Im in ur government, killin ur d00dz
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 1 on 11/3/2005 2:07 AM >
| | | | Sounds cool, but I don't know if you'd need all that all the time. Not all sites have asbestos, or are dark.
You can't fall off a mountain. |
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Axle
    
Location: Milton, ON
Gender: Male
Sieg oder Tod
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 2 on 11/3/2005 2:34 AM >
| | | | Looks good, personally I'd clean up the language, ie, don't keep the swear words.
Celer at Audax
Para la Victoria Siempre Alemanes! |
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seicer
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 3 on 11/3/2005 2:45 AM >
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++++++++++ ASBESTOS MASK ***MANDATORY ON EVERY MISSION***
IF YOU CAN’T AFFORD AN ASBESTOS MASK/RESPIRATOR:
TO FUCKING BAD, YOU ARE NOT COMING ON THE TRIP
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An asbestos rated mask is not necessary for basic or explorations that are in areas that do not contain asbestos. Most older houses, for example, do not have asbestos insulation. Also, asbestos is friable, and if it is in good condition, it can be safely walked past with no worries. If it is in a deteorating condition, do not touch it and use a asbestos rated mask or keep your mouth covered with your shirt at the very least as you walk by.
Asbestos goes through your body in most cases. It is only when you breathe it in on a daily basis (e.g. work) that it can become hazardous.
++++++++++ RIPSTOP CLOTHING *HIGHLY RECCOMENDED and PRACTICALLY MANDATORY*
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This is funny. I usually wear blue-jeans and a tucked in polo shirt. Never had any problems in my 100+ locations I have explored.
The only time I would have found this useful was at the New Boston Coke Plant, and that was because of the flying coke dust. Otherwise, I would have never needed them.
- ROPE
- GLOVES
- KNEE AND ELBOW PADS
You will need the following in addition:
*Glowstick $1
*Wistle $1
*Lighter $1
*Regular Flashlight $5
*Additional batteries $5
*Mini First-Aid kit (Prices Vary)
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I never had a need for a rope. In one case it would have been handy, but a little oomph and I was inside a window. Gloves are mandatory, who knows what you touch. Knee and elbow pads I feel are not necessary unless you want to do a lot of crawling around.
Glowstick _could_ be useful in very dark situations or drains especially. Whistle ditto. Lighter ditto. I would get a big candlepower light source or one that has a xenon bulb in it.
Nice info and welcome to UER!
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ian_evil
Location: Providence, Rhode Island
Gender: Male
we hope you have enjoyed our program.
| | | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 4 on 11/3/2005 4:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ludichris106
THE FOLLOWING IS BASICALLY AN E-MAIL I SENT TO SOME FRIENDS OF MINE WHO ARE GOING TO GO URBAN EXPLORING WITH ME. IT HAS ALOT OF USEFUL INFORMATION. SOME OF THE INFO I HAVE TAKEN FROM THIS WEBSITE AND OTHER SITES BUT IM SORRY I FORGOT TO LIST WHICH ONES. I TAKE NO CREDIT FOR ANYTHING I HAVE TYPED HERE:
start e-mail
Here are some things you will NEED to start safely (as safe as we have the power to make it I mean) going Urban Exploring
RULES
Please go check out this site
<http://bellsouthpw...niac/uef/rules.htm > as those are the generally rules we will be following so none of us fucking die.
It's exploring, lets be curious but lets be smart about it at the same time.
As the group from Miami says:
"These are the rules and guidelines that we follow when we explore. We generally follow the motto "Take nothing but pictures, leave nothing but footprints." These rules serve several purposes, first and foremost to ensure our safety while exploring. We also do not wish to damage or deface any of the property, even if it is derelict, so that other's in the future may enjoy it. The rules also serve to minimize legal consequences if we are found at a site."
... blah blah blah ... u r fucking gay, BRING YOUR ASBESTOS MASK! ...
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ridiculous and overblown with lots of vulgarities, bad grammar and ALL CAPS.
[center][b]New England Industrial Culture Online[/b]
Stencil/Graffiti, Street Art - Industrial/Exprimental Music - Urban Exploration
"[i]We are the ones you had to dehumanize.[/i]"[/center] |
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Wiccan
Location: Hamilton Ontario
Gender: Female
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 5 on 11/3/2005 4:39 AM >
| | | | I threw on a a pair of jeans, an old coat, old sneakers, grabbed my camera and off I went. *shrugs*
Only thing I did differently the next time was protect my hair near the burr bushes. Interesting list, but a little much in my opinion.
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tick
Location: Abingdon, VA
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 6 on 11/3/2005 5:00 AM >
|  | | | Not a bad list... I mean, I carry a LOT less than you're suggesting, but it's better to have too much stuff than too little. When I first started urban spelunking, I'd load myself up with all kinds of equipment. As time went by, I'd carry less and less, eventually settling on jeans, a t-shirt, hiking boots, and a mini-maglite. I carry a little more now, but most of it is photography related (camera, tripod, extra lighting).
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Logan
Location: Ra-Cha-Cha, NY
Gender: Male
We miss you Jerry
| | | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 7 on 11/3/2005 6:38 AM >
| | | | I dunno, a lot of it comes in handy sometimes. But it looks like you are being a UE nazi.
Cogito Ergo Sum |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 8 on 11/3/2005 10:30 AM >
| | | | Or you could just buy Ninj's book, which lists things which are actually useful and tells you how to avoid newbie mistakes (running around in camo in live buildings, flash photography of "teh orbz" on rooftops, loading up with 500lbs of gear in a military load bearing bra, etc). http://infiltration.org/aaa.html
Basically, you need two or three lights, clothes you can stand to destroy, maybe a camera, and a working brain.
Turn off the internet and go play outside.
http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 |
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Explorer Zero
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 9 on 11/3/2005 1:07 PM >
| | | | wow I cant believe I made it this far without knowing all that
how did you learn all that?
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jasonbirder
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 10 on 11/3/2005 1:48 PM >
| | | | How about... Everything you need to start urban exploring...]
1. Curiosity
2. Common Sense
Sometimes you need a torch, if you go in a drain put some rubber boots on...
Anything else is pretty much overkill most of the time...
UE is all about looking not about packing a bundle of fancy survival kit...
Walk around your town see whats about...if your driving somewhere stop your car and get out when you see something interesting...
If you see some security guards at a building you're interested in go and chat to them, ask them some questions...don't sneak around like Ninja's or run off like a bunch of high school kids...unless theres no other way.
Just my 2c but no need to make things complicated...sometimes UE is nothing more than just glorified walking !!!
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Ludichris106
Location: Melbourne, FL
Gender: Male
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 11 on 11/3/2005 3:56 PM >
| | | | First off i don't appreciate the warm welcome Ian Evil gave me, and sorry if i offended anyone with the harsh language (i figured since there is cursing the the chatroom there could be cursing here).
Anyways all this stuff is for newbies who want to play it safe. I sent this to my friends knowing that they have never done something like this before where as i have been doing light urban exploring since i was 10 (i just never knew it was called that till i was 19). I'm just now getting into the heavy stuff. 
The point of the e-mail was to list equipment that my friends might want to buy. If they couldn't afford the gear i listed (which i personally couldn't afford) i suggested to bring similar gear. Under almost every section i list something like the following...
IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY NEW SHOES
Then make sure your shoes have the following properties:
(then i list obvious things like make sure they are comfortable and have thick soles, etc, etc)
As far as the asbestos mask goes, you never know which new sites you have never visited have asbestos and which don't. I don't reccomend anyone every take the chance.
Personally i'm going to have the following things on my body:
Shirt and Pants i dont care about
Crap Work Gloves (from home depot)
Steel toe shoes (with rugged treading)
Asbestos mask
Goggles (i wear contact lenses and i'm pretty sure i wont be able to look into a mirror to remove whatever may fall into my eye)
Hand or Head Flashlight (if i need it)
Duct Tape
Backpack with some snacks and gatorade
lighter, glowstick, and whistle are in the backpack too
mini first-aid kit
Later,
Chris (aka: Madd Hatter)
------------------------------ "...I'm not saying we should eradicate stupid people, I'm just saying we should remove the warning labels from products and let the problem work itself out..." |
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 12 on 11/3/2005 4:13 PM >
| | | | How about just bringing yourself and your common sense?
If you need equip., you'll realise...
Exploring is about adventure, not about following rules that some arbitrary person yells at you.
(But I do see you doing this to try to be a nice "guide" for "newbs" that might not think of things)
[last edit 11/3/2005 4:18 PM by Beryl - edited 1 times]
Licentious acrimonious puer æternus. Libertine. |
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Logan
Location: Ra-Cha-Cha, NY
Gender: Male
We miss you Jerry
| | | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 13 on 11/3/2005 5:10 PM >
| | | | I think if it was my first time and my friend sent me that, it would scare me more than anything and I would want to UE less.
Cogito Ergo Sum |
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this_guy
Location: Chicago suburbs
Gender: Male
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 14 on 11/3/2005 5:54 PM >
| | | | My site has a list of things I've actually found helpful to have while UEing. Lists do help because inexperienced UErs won't foresee needing certain things. If you're going to write a list, try not to sound bossy, vulgar, or ignorant of grammar.
I like to bring water, but I don't see a need for food. If you manage to get trapped for long enough to need food, you should have told someone about your plans before you left.
Asbestos masks usually aren't necessary. If the building is being demolished and the asbestos hasn't been removed, they might be a good idea, but otherwise I think it's overkill. We've had whole threads about asbestos, though, so I'd rather not discuss it here.
I've never found mini first aid kits very useful. It might be good to have one in your car, but any injury you could treat with one isn't going to require immediate attention.
I agree about eye protection, but I recommend safety glasses rather than swimming goggles. You usually only need to worry about falling debris, in which case you want more protection from the front rather than something that seals around your eyes.
"Every sound shall end in silence, but the silence never dies." - from Samuel Miller Hagemen, found written on the wall of an abandoned building |
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 15 on 11/3/2005 6:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by Freak
Basically, you need two or three lights, clothes you can stand to destroy, maybe a camera, and a working brain.
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90% of "UERers" seem to get by on three out of four. Hey, 75% isn't bad...
Digicrapcam mommy bought you for Christmas: $199 at Wal-Mart.
Clothes mommy bought you: $95 at Hot Topic.
Rayovac headlamp: $15 at K-Mart.
Having a clue: Priceless.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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ednothing
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 16 on 11/3/2005 6:16 PM >
| | | | Hmmm, I know Mark was working on something similar way back. I don't know if anything was ever finalized: http://www.uer.ca/...d=1&threadid=16130
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 17 on 11/3/2005 6:42 PM >
|  | | | Posted by Krenta
90% of "UERers" seem to get by on three out of four. Hey, 75% isn't bad...
Digicrapcam mommy bought you for Christmas: $199 at Wal-Mart.
Clothes mommy bought you: $95 at Hot Topic.
Rayovac headlamp: $15 at K-Mart.
Having a clue: Priceless.
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Like you know anything about exploring. You don't even have anything worth exploring where you live !
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Mister Sable
Location: Palliser City
Gender: Male
The Man with the Hat (the other man)
| | | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 18 on 11/3/2005 6:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by jasonbirder
How about... Everything you need to start urban exploring...]
1. Curiosity
2. Common Sense
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A lot of people, even those who've been doing UE long enough to know better, leave #2 off their list all too often.
Cloak and dagger, man, cloak and dagger. |
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JohnnyDumpster
Gender: Male
| | Re: NEWBIE GUIDE - Everything You Need to Start Urban Exploring
<Reply # 19 on 11/3/2005 8:06 PM >
| | | | We talk about stuff to bring all to often I think. At the same time though, I love stuff, my mag-lite, my boots, my leatherman etc, but the reality is that for UE equipment is rarely needed. I used to carry a bunch of stuff like most new kids do, but by now, its just a minimag lite, water, lots of food and friends.
Also, did anyone really contemplate their first exploration and research the hobby, or did people just do it and later realize others did it too?
One more thing, why did everyone get so pissed about swearing? Since when do poeple care care about that on here?
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