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1 2 3  UER Forum > Archived UE Main > ethics on taking items (Viewed 1382 times) dancerdaycare  Location: Kamloops Gender: Male  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 40 on 9/15/2003 10:14 PM >   As most things in this world this an issue that is not black or white but somewhere in the shades of gray. Taking something from a building about to be demolished as a keep sake is one thing. Taking something to sell is another. In my area there is a site that could produce a huge money making opportuinty but then again other ue'ers would lose out in the opportunity to see these things. I think that this a question that only the individule can answer. j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 41 on 9/16/2003 5:45 PM >   Here's a kicker: What do you do if you find a suitcase full of money in a place that's supposed to be completely abandoned? j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! Corporeal Punishment  Location: Lima Center, WI Gender: Male Welcome to your heart...  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 42 on 9/16/2003 5:49 PM >   I'd research everywhere to find out where it may have come from and give it to the owners. If I had no leads, I'd donate 90% of it since it isn't technically mine. Also, I'd scour the premises looking for any signs of life, just in case. Suit by Armani...Balls by King Kong. "Please do not offer my god a peanut" Mr. Motts  Noble Donor Location: Long Island and Brooklyn NY Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 43 on 9/16/2003 5:59 PM >   I'd take it if it was left there for a while, like all dusty and stuff. Otherwise I'd get the hell outta there. I'd be wary of opening it in the first place.. someone recently found a suitcase on a Bronx street, opened it, and found a lady hacked into pieces & wrapped in plastic... but I'd prolly still open it tho 8] Save the planet... kill yourself. http://www.opacity.us/ - Abandoned Photography Mochi  Location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose.  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 44 on 9/16/2003 6:00 PM >   It depends on a few things, to me, at least... How nice is the breifcase? Is there a coat of dust on it? Is it old and beaten up, or brand new? Is the lock already busted on it? (Not like it's hard to do or anything...) MY guess, is that's it's mob money or drug money, or both, and I'd take it, just out of spite. Use rubber gloves and trash the shoes you wore after you leave the site. MAKE SURE you're not tracked home. Report the find ot the police. No mobman in his right mind would GO to a police station, claiming that they lost a briefcase full of cash for uhh... a "business deal"... The cash would be ALL YOURS, LEGALLY, in about 6 months, give or take. Plus, free briefcase... >_< Mochi, oh, I get it! Her LAST name is Samsonite! JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 45 on 9/16/2003 6:03 PM >   Posted by Riceballicus Maximus <snip> The cash would be ALL YOURS, LEGALLY, in about 6 months, give or take. Plus, free briefcase... >_< Mochi, oh, I get it! Her LAST name is Samsonite! Good call! j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! Jester  Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada Gender: Male Always just out of sight...  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 46 on 9/16/2003 6:04 PM >   So where is this briefcase... It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. Mochi  Location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose.  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 47 on 9/16/2003 6:09 PM >   Over there. (points behind J) SUPER JUMP!! (does Matrix cliche Trinty freeze jump) KARATE CHOP!! (connects cleanly with J's neck) MY briefcase!!! (strikes a pose. gets eaten by CHUD.) *Mochi died* >_< Mochi, wah, now I'm all dead and stuff. PS- I think the whole briefcase thing was hypothetical, but I could be wrong... JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) j0lt  Location: Kobe, Japan Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 48 on 9/16/2003 6:35 PM >   Posted by Riceballicus Maximus PS- I think the whole briefcase thing was hypothetical, but I could be wrong... I was explaining to my girlfriend that we don't take/break/whatever stuff. Then she asked about a (hypothetical) briefcase full of money. Just figured I'd pass the question along. j0lt: Larger than life and twice as ugly! Valiant Dancer  Location: Villa Park, IL Gender: Male  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 49 on 9/16/2003 6:50 PM >   Posted by j0lt Posted by Riceballicus Maximus PS- I think the whole briefcase thing was hypothetical, but I could be wrong... I was explaining to my girlfriend that we don't take/break/whatever stuff. Then she asked about a (hypothetical) briefcase full of money. Just figured I'd pass the question along. Just to add some surrealism to her day, I'll pass on a story line from a rather interesting book. You take the money (all in ones and fives) and spend/deposit it. Turns out the money was doped (lightly covered or soaked) in bacillus anthracius (Anthrax). Since ones and fives change hands very quickly, the disease spreads very quickly. Just something to think about. Mochi  Location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose.  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 50 on 9/16/2003 7:00 PM >   What a godawful, scary-as-hell, morbid, fluffy white thought, VD. Ugh. >_< Mochi, maybe I'll just leave this where I found it. JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) El_Gordo_Uno  Location: Wenatchee, Washington Gender: Male This post brought to you by Allan Smithee  |  |  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 51 on 9/16/2003 10:03 PM >   I've thought about this question alot. I think I would take the money and the brief case. Give the money to a friend auction something on Ebay. Have him bid all the cash on it. Then we split the money. Therefore its nice and clean> Hopefully the mob wouldn't kill me or my friend and I'd use the briefcase prop up the missing chair leg on my lazy boy. Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges DarkTreader  Gender: Male  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 52 on 9/16/2003 10:54 PM >   As darkism stated earlier, the PES generally refrains from taking things. Usually, if its our first time at a site, we'll try and find something to commemorate it somehow (walking the tracks across the Wabash River - picked up a couple of railroad spikes, found a couple of caps to some sort of plumbing at a construction site, got a couple of those as well... the aforementioned pipe stickers). We don't get things that are one of a kind, or that might be missed, though we've had the chance. I mean, damn... the amount of CAT5 cable alone that we could've hauled out of some of those buildings probably would've paid for our college tuitions, not to mention the server racks and such. I guess, as people have mentioned, its up to the person involved. I don't feel that we did anything wrong in taking a souvenier because either a) they were discarded there and would have been trashed in a short period of time, or b) there were enough of them around that it didn't really matter if one or two were missing. Now, I'm not advocating taking a pile of keys from a site just to see if maybe one might work on a door or whatnot... I just think that the 'redistribution of physical/tactile information' is a valuable thing. I mean, if someone ever asks 'Hey, why do you have a railroad spike and a pipe sticker on your shelf', then I can decide at that point in time whether or not to tell them about UE. ~shrugs~ Individual call though, as has been stated. footsteps light, flashlights bright -~ DT Losers go home... winners go home and fuck the prom queen Mancubus   |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 53 on 9/17/2003 1:26 AM >   Funny you should mention the keys. I found a ton of keys on an air vent in the basement of an abandoned facility. The weird thing was that they were mostly car keys. And the ones that weren't didn't work on any of the locks. One of the car keys had a note still on it saying some woman found it in the trunk lock of a car. The note was dated 1986. Spooky, huh? Krenta  Location: Saint Paul, MN Nope, wasn't me.  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 54 on 9/17/2003 4:50 AM >   I'm a photographer, not a burgler or thief. I come, I take pictures, I leave. There are two exceptions to this, but I think they're significant: First aid kits. If I'm bleeding, and come across a first aid kit, I'm going to use whatever I can... and contact whoever owns the place and let 'em know (anonymously) later. I figure that anything interesting I might find in a sewer is fair game. I mean, it's a sewer. It could have come from anywhere, anywhen. I haven't actually found anything of interest in a sewer, but if I do, it's mine. Other than that, though, I don't/won't take anything, no matter how insignificant. I *have* requested (and gotten) permission from a demolition company to remove objects from a building being demolished, but I think that's different, both because the building was actively being demolished, and because the objects in question could not have been removed without causing damage to the structure. Demolition companies, from what I can tell, are pretty cool with this, as long as what you want to do is safe and won't take long. That was my experience, anyway. There are actually people who break into abandoned buildings and remove the plumbing fixtures, lighting fixtures, and ceiling/baseboard moulding to resell to people who want, e.g. authentic 1930's bathroom fixtures. Maybe I'm paranoid, but others go to sites and see portable objects as "souvenirs"; I see them as "evidence". Trespassing is one thing; burglary is another, and I'm not going to get a $500 fine over an old booklet or something... I've never really seen anything while exploring that was easily portable that I'd even sort of like to own. Must just be me. Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. ProductOfDetroit  Location: Detroit/Troy Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 55 on 9/17/2003 6:34 AM >   I generally don't take anything, but if its to cool to pass up, then its mine. Nothing to big, but small shit like signs or paper work. They were demolishing an old mall by my house. When I was exploring it, i found a document room full of blue prints. So now i have about 200 full scale blue prints of a mall. Been thinking about plastering them on the wall and covering it with clear laquer. Might be cool... http://www.flickr.com/photos/product34/ Ninjalicious  Gone, but always with us Location: Toronto  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 56 on 9/17/2003 2:17 PM >   Posted by Phat97Caddy I generally don't take anything, but if its to cool to pass up, then its mine. I understand where you're coming from but, to me, not doing something unless you really want to do it isn't ethical behaviour. I don't think the intensity of one's desire should be the deciding factor in whether or not one takes something (though I realize that human nature dictates that it usually will be). Ninj http://www.infiltration.org [last edit 9/17/2003 9:18 AM by Ninjalicious - edited 1 times] Mochi  Location: West Jordan, Utah Gender: Male Stare deep into a kitty's nose.  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 57 on 9/17/2003 5:08 PM >   Ethics aside COMPLETELY, that would be VERY COOL wallpaper, P97C. >_< Mochi, hotty boombalotty. JESUS SAVES!!! (And then he redeems his tickets for free prizes!) Freak  Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP. Gender: Male Hypocrite  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 58 on 9/17/2003 10:13 PM >   Posted by Phat97Caddy I generally don't take anything, but if its to cool to pass up, then its mine. Nothing to big, but small shit like signs or paper work. They were demolishing an old mall by my house. When I was exploring it, i found a document room full of blue prints. So now i have about 200 full scale blue prints of a mall. Been thinking about plastering them on the wall and covering it with clear laquer. Might be cool... You have to be careful though, if it's "too cool to pass up" most likely someone will miss it. This is mostly true for active sites (I've had to force myself not to take radios and tools from remote sites where they wouldn't be missed for a while, and antique stuff that might never be missed). I used to take warning signs when I was younger, but you have to consider that the signs are there for a reason. Maybe "Acid release override" isn't used anymore and would look cool on your wall, but if you take it you might be endangering someone's life if they ever need to override the acid (or something along those lines). Turn off the internet and go play outside. http://spamusement...hp/comics/view/137 nakigara  Location: ca desert Gender: Male  |  |  Re: ethics on taking items <Reply # 59 on 9/19/2003 9:49 PM >   Im pretty new at this experience wise, but before reading these boards i would probabally take a couple souveniers and such. now, since reading the boards, i have 3 main reasons for not taking stuff. 1.) its against the 'UEr's Code' 2.) it could be used as evidence against you (a real big one for me, im trying to stay out of trouble, i could probabally handle a 1st offense tresspassing, but not a theft/burglary charge) 3.) and i got too much junk anyways, im a real packrack, dragging all kinds of rusty bits of metal back home, i really dont need any more then what i have already. as far as money goes, i would probabally grab it. i would be wary of large sums, since i figure someone w/ a lot of resources(ie, organized crime) is maybe missing it and looking for it-but at the same time, me just knowing it exists may put me in as much danger as taking it, so i would definitely grab it, and try and eliminate any trace of my presence their. and now my mind is running on the whole terrorism thing w/ anthrax and all... maybe id microwave a bunch of it ? no clue if that would work at all. on a side note, if it was somebodies living space (squatter, bum, or even junkie) i would try not too disturb anything, and maybe even leave the area, i try to respect peoples living-spaces, even if they are unofficial yogurt and beer. mmmm...... 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