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 Jester
  
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
 |  |  | How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
< on 10/24/2005 9:04 PM >
|  | | | This is just some curiousity about how much traffic, those of us with websites, get from the UER forum here.
Obviously posting links to your site here increases traffic, but how many unique visitors are showing up because of it ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Krenta
 
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 1 on 10/24/2005 9:20 PM >
|  | | | One to two a week, usually, unless someone's recently posted a link in a thread somewhere, in which case it might generate another ten or twenty visitors. The link in the geographical directory on Infiltration generates (comparatively) far more traffic than UER, though it'll be a long, long time before Google is replaced as the number-one referer.
Well, if we're going to get specific, since 01 August 2005, I've had... 44 visits from UER, and 97 visits from Infiltration.
[last edit 10/24/2005 10:37 PM by Krenta - edited 1 times]
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 3 on 10/24/2005 9:36 PM >
| | | | Which specific tracking source gives you that info ?
Is it Webalizer v.2.01 ?
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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seicer
 
Location: New York
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 4 on 10/24/2005 9:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Which specific tracking source gives you that info ?
Is it Webalizer v.2.01 ?
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Nope, Analyzer 5.0 actually. Correction to that.
[last edit 10/24/2005 9:39 PM by seicer - edited 1 times]
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yokes
  
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
I aim to misbehave
| |  | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 5 on 10/24/2005 9:48 PM >
| | | | Unique visitors: 5 or 6 a day
Page loads: Around 120 a day
"Great architecture has only two natural enemies: water and stupid men." - Richard Nickel |
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 6 on 10/24/2005 10:41 PM >
| | | | My current site has been up only for about a month, and I don't have detailed statistics before that. Awstats indicate that during this month eleven of total 487 visitors came either from forum_showthread.asp (7) or forum_showprofile.asp (4). That's not much, but I guess that it's because there's only couple of users in UER that belong to the target group of my site. After all, Finnish abandonments aren't that interesting in international scale.
But since I don't have a bandwidth limit it wouldn't matter even if all users of UER visited my site 
All information and details given in good faith but not guaranteed! |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 7 on 10/25/2005 3:09 PM >
| | | | The thing i'm pretty sure of is that the trackers we're all using don't record things in quite the same way though. The server based trackers, like webalizer and analyzer add things up differently. I have webalizer through my host, as well as having extreme tracker and statcounter. They all log slightly different from one another.
For the purposes of real, unique hits, the non server/host based ones seem to be clear and acurate.
The webalizer/analyzer types show the *hits*, not the unique visitors in the same way it seems.
Here are my two visible tracker logs. You can see huge differences in how things are tabulated.
webalizer
http://wraiths.org.../usage_200510.html
extreme tracker
http://extremetrac...que?login=unholy11
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Mickael
Moderator
Location: Canada
Gender: Male
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 8 on 10/25/2005 3:45 PM >
| | | | I get about 5% of all the hits from UER and somes from the UE webring.
Sometimes I get some funny hits, things like porn sites referrer (wtf!) or hits from RCMP address.
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Jonsered
Location: Back in New Mexico where I belong
Gender: Male
Dressed for a scarecrow ball.........
| |  | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 9 on 10/25/2005 3:46 PM >
| | | | Whoah! Got to wonder if the RCMP is keeping an eye on you! LOL
I have changed my personal exploring ethics code. From now on it will be: "Take only aimed shots, leave only hobo corpses." Copper scrappers, meth heads and homeless beware. The Jonsered cometh among you, bringing fear and dread.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 10 on 10/25/2005 3:57 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonsered
Whoah! Got to wonder if the RCMP is keeping an eye on you! LOL
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That's very common, most of our sites get hits from various government offices, as well as military, RCMP, Police forces, Department of Homeland security, and security companies.
But lets keep this on the topic of traffic generated through uer. I'm trying to get an acurate idea of how much it really is, and these various trackers give quite different amounts.
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Tupsumato
Location: Finland
Gender: Male
How close can you go?
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 11 on 10/25/2005 8:35 PM >
| | | | I've got hits from UPM-Kymmene, a large Finnish forest/paper company that, if I recall correctly, has harassed the guys of Spivey Point (another Finnish UE-site) because they had mentioned the company in some of their location entries.
But why me? I haven't even visited any of United Paper Mills' abandonments yet!
All information and details given in good faith but not guaranteed! |
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Avatar-X
 
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 12 on 10/26/2005 1:19 AM >
| | | | The most accurate form of statistics is stats created from server-side logs, the logs generated by your webserver.
These logs comprise every single visit to your site, and do not stop working when somoene has blocked the outside stat site, the stat site goes down, etc. It will even count visitors who use browsers that do not support javascript or images, something that the outside stat sites will not do.
There is no such thing as a "hit". The term is misleading. Here is a quick breakdown:
Page loads - How many pages on your site are loaded. One visitor could easily visit 50-100 pages.
Unique visitors - A new person who hasn't been to your site yet that day (or that reporting period, depending). Usually these are identified by IP address, which is not a very accurate way to do it, as many places use the same IP for lots of users. Everyone who has a router at home is doing this.
"Hits" - Usually when someone says "hits", they mean "people who have come to my website." This number is misleading, because if you close your browser and then return to the website, you register another hit. It's also not very accurate, because of the same issue as above.
There is no reliable way to track unique visits to your website, and this is how the internet was designed. This is on purpose.
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kowalski
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 13 on 10/26/2005 1:32 AM >
| | | | | "Hits" - Usually when someone says "hits", they mean "people who have come to my website." This number is misleading, because if you close your browser and then return to the website, you register another hit. It's also not very accurate, because of the same issue as above. |
The popular use of the term is doubly misleading because a hit is registered any time a file is requested from your server. If I have a page with a dozen unique graphics on it then a visit to that page will generate 13 hits. If I have a stylesheet or script in a separate file that's included on the fly as the page loads, that's also a hit. Then, depending on how the user's cache settings are configured, their next visit to this same page may generate the same number of hits or far fewer if they're loading the bulk of the graphics out of their own client-side browser cache.
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Krenta
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 14 on 10/26/2005 5:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
The most accurate form of statistics is stats created from server-side logs, the logs generated by your webserver.
These logs comprise every single visit to your site, and do not stop working when somoene has blocked the outside stat site, the stat site goes down, etc. It will even count visitors who use browsers that do not support javascript or images, something that the outside stat sites will not do.
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Yes, but. It would be more accurate to say "these logs are generated every time a file is requested of your webserver". A number of ISPs have their customers behind cacheing reverse proxies, so that the first person within a certain time period who visits your site will get the page and elements requested from your server, and subsequent requests for the same page by other users are served from the cacheing proxy, and not logged by the site's webserver. AOL is the worst offender here, but there are others, such as NetSpeed...
There is no such thing as a "hit". The term is misleading. Here is a quick breakdown:
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No, there is such thing as a "hit", as Kowalski points out. Most people just don't understand what it is. A hit is a HTTP request - GET, or POST, or even HEAD. One per file, usually, but not always.
There is no reliable way to track unique visits to your website, and this is how the internet was designed. This is on purpose.
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Actually, there are several reliable ways, but they're not perfect, and not foolproof. Your assertion that "this" is how the internet was designed is patently untrue (go learn what "ident" and "identd" are in Unix, Av). "This" is, more or less, on purpose, at least on the WWW, which is not the same thing as the internet at all.
Have Speed Graphic, Will Travel. |
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masiNisti
Location: DM explorers' brigades concentration camp
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 15 on 10/26/2005 9:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by Tupsumato
I've got hits from UPM-Kymmene, a large Finnish forest/paper company that, if I recall correctly, has harassed the guys of Spivey Point (another Finnish UE-site) because they had mentioned the company in some of their location entries. |
To be exact it was not UPM who contacted the administrator of our former web space supplier. Since the firm no longer exists (at least not in the same form), I dare to reveal it was PARTEK.
UPM-Kymmene has so many employees with internet access and we have so many references to various things regarding forest industry on our pages, that I don't wonder why they also visit TSTC sometimes. I wouldn't worry about them very much.
Back to the topic, uer.ca produces only some tens of monthly HITS to Spivey Point. I suppose those are mostly due to Tupsumato's threads.
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Slyv
Location: Belgium, kingdom of UE
Gender: Male
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 16 on 10/26/2005 10:13 AM >
| | | | uer.ca/forum_showthread.asp : 339 unique visitors in the last 6 months, 1.6% of the total traffic, with an average of 25 pages viewed per visitor (server-side logs)
Cheers, Slyv
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Avatar-X
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 17 on 10/26/2005 1:00 PM >
| | | | Ugh.
A number of ISPs have their customers behind cacheing reverse proxies,
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I've never had a single web host that did this. If they did, I would certainly complain, because it would cause headaches with logs but also if I uploaded a new version of a file, the old one would still be served out of the cache.
No, there is such thing as a "hit", as Kowalski points out. Most people just don't understand what it is. A hit is a HTTP request - GET, or POST, or even HEAD. One per file, usually, but not always. |
This is not called a "hit". This is called a "request". So if your page is 30 pictures on it, it would take 31 requests to view that page.
I don't know of anyone who would call "request", a "hit" -- One person visits your site and suddenly you have 31 hits? Talk about inflating your ego. If I was to go with those numbers, UER would have 11,231,290 "hits" in October alone.
| Actually, there are several reliable ways, but they're not perfect, and not foolproof. Your assertion that "this" is how the internet was designed is patently untrue (go learn what "ident" and "identd" are in Unix, Av). "This" is, more or less, on purpose, at least on the WWW, which is not the same thing as the internet at all. |
Sigh ... I think it was pretty clear that I was talking about the WWW, and HTTP protocols specifically. Ident and other services do not apply.
There is no reliable method for tracking people on the internet. By reliable, I mean 100% or even 95% accurate.
Tracking by IP's is right out, since IP's change for some people, and since more than one person is often behind the same IP.
Tracking by cookies? Forget it. Some people disable cookies, some people use a proxy or cleanser that removes the cookies, and some people clear their cookies. This also doesn't take into account when the same person uses a different browser to visit your site, or even if the same person moves to a different computer.
My comment about that it was designed this way on purpose, was (Clearly, I thought) meant to state that the world wide web was designed with the ability to stay anonymous in mind. HTTP is also a stateless protocol, so it can sometimes be difficult to track the same user session if the user has no cookies enabled.
Anyway, there are 31,972 distinct IP addresses that have visited UER in the last 26 days. So you guys can split those up amongst yourselves Some other stats for the last 26 days:
Total data transferred 74.736 GB
Successful server requests 11,231,290 Requests
Successful requests for pages 2,430,423 Requests for pages
Most common search query urban exploration 1,255
Most active browser type MSIE 6,650,697 59.21%
Most popular operating system Windows 9,893,878 88.09%
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Agent Skelly
Web Sheriff
Location: Oregon Territory
Gender: Male
Prenez De L'Avance Avec Chrysler!
| |  | | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 18 on 10/26/2005 2:13 PM >
| | | | So far this month, I got 34 unique visits from UER...that accounts for 33% of web traffic this month apparently.
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kowalski
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 19 on 10/26/2005 2:26 PM >
| | | | | This is not called a "hit". This is called a "request". So if your page is 30 pictures on it, it would take 31 requests to view that page. |
One might prefer to call it a request, but historically this has been referred to as a hit, stats readers have been designed to call it such and certainly as I grew up with the web between 1996 and 2001, this is what a "hit" meant and it was already being used problematically by people who thought it meant unique users or pageviews. I'll bet you can find Webmonkey articles from 1997 explaining the difference.
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