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 Jester
  
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
 |  |  | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 20 on 10/26/2005 2:50 PM >
|  | | | I think most server side trackers log those requests as "hits". Mine does, it shows around 227,000 "hits" in October...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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lopix
  
Location: Ontario
Gender: Male
I survive on the poison you're feeding me
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 21 on 10/26/2005 7:36 PM >
|  | | | I have been doing online marketing and analysis aince 1998 and have always know terms this way:
Unique Visitor: Person visiting once in a predefined reporting period. Should be used in context, such as uniques per day or per month. A unique in a day is not the same as in a month. 100 uniques in a day should mean 100 different people coming to your site that day. Of course, as Av well explained, the ways to distinguish uniques never really work.
Visitors: Total number of user sessions on your site, per period. If 100 different people each came twice to your site, that would be 100 uniques and 200 visits. One unique visitor can generate multiple visits. This is the one of the only stats I give any credit to.
Hits: Always meant downloaded items to me. One HTML page with 5 images is 6 hits. Anything downloaded from the server, even partially, is a hit. Images, pages, CSS, mp3s, etc. Much the same as a request, since every item is requested by the browser. Completely useless term and used generally by those who don't know what it means, or by those who want to arbitrarily increase their numbers. I have bought enough online ads to know when I smell BS coming from the other end...
Page Views: Simply enough, the HTML pages loaded. It is a simple way to see what people are doing on your site. If you have 100 visits and 500 page views, then you can assume and average of 5 pages viewed by each visitor. Again, not very exact, as someone can click a link and then another quickly, before the page loads, and it is counted as 2 page views. It is a rough measurement.
These are the terms I always knew and still use. I have "testified" before Goldman Sachs to my then employer's stats in an IPO issue, using these generally accepted terms. Semantics are one thing, but those are the basics.
P.S. I am averaging around 1 UER referral a day right now, though I have seen it as high as 124 for the month of July.
[last edit 10/26/2005 7:43 PM by lopix - edited 2 times]
I'm not angry - just focused :: No human opinion is higher than the truth
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Krenta
 
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Nope, wasn't me.
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 22 on 10/26/2005 11:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by Avatar-X
I've never had a single web host that did this. If they did, I would certainly complain, because it would cause headaches with logs but also if I uploaded a new version of a file, the old one would still be served out of the cache.
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It has nothing to do with webhosts, but with ISPs. If you're really outraged, though, then I suggest you get on the phone to AOL, Netzero (owned by AOL), Webrunner, and all the other ISPs that have their customers behind caching proxies, and start complaining, for all the good it's going to do you. Quick searches in several popular search engines bring up a number of discussions of this practice and it's problems...
This is not called a "hit". This is called a "request". So if your page is 30 pictures on it, it would take 31 requests to view that page.
I don't know of anyone who would call "request", a "hit" -- One person visits your site and suddenly you have 31 hits? Talk about inflating your ego. If I was to go with those numbers, UER would have 11,231,290 "hits" in October alone.
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Because that's the way it's always been done. It's a very popular way for ethically challenged (or just plain ignorant) webmasters to inflate their advertising rates. "Advertise on a site with 11 million hits per month for just $99/week!"
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Avatar-X
 
Alpha Husky
Location: West Coast
Gender: Male
yay!
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 23 on 10/27/2005 2:51 AM >
| | | | Well, thankfully neither my ISP nor the ISP that my server is on does such a thing.
-av
huskies - such fluff. |
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 24 on 10/28/2005 9:18 AM >
| | | | Figured I'd throw in here with a little general summary of how our site does...hard to dispute the numbers here...
Our program for this was started back on April 1st, 2005.
(Figures in parentheses refer to the 7-day period ending 27-Oct-2005 02:45).
Successful requests: 339,321 (45,985)
Average successful requests per day: 1,623 (6,569)
Logfile lines without status code: 15,099 (0)
Successful requests for pages: 47,819 (6,575)
Average successful requests for pages per day: 228 (939)
Failed requests: 14,909 (1,496)
Redirected requests: 35 (2)
Distinct files requested: 1,833 (1,507)
Distinct hosts served: 9,988 (994)
Data transferred: 11.47 gigabytes (2.07 gigabytes)
Average data transferred per day: 56.16 megabytes (302.31 megabytes) |
That's pretty much the best way I've found to really see what's goin on with the site. The entire site log would be way too much to post here, but as Av said earlier they're usually the best ways to figure this mess out. Usually the only thing I really concern myself is what's failing and how much data is being shuffled about...but it's always nice to know people are seeing the site too!
Oh and btw...in the past month we've received 104 visits from folks going through UER to our site ;)
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 25 on 10/28/2005 3:48 PM >
| | | | So, as most people are showing, most sites seem to get a few hits per day that originate here on uer forum. 104 in a month so far is 3-4 per day, which would be higher anytime you posted a specific link in website updates etc.
The other people have gotten a bit less, but seems that pretty much everyone falls into the spectrum of no more than around 100-150 in a months span. Which leads me to believe that Seicer's tracking is not the same as the rest. I'd be really curious to see what one of the simple, typical trackers showed for his site, and I'd wager it was much closer to the amount of traffic that most other sites here get from UER. Throwing an extreme tracker on the main page for a week or two would give a great look at whether the tracker is counting like everyone elses is, and wouldn't cause a hit to bandwidth...
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 26 on 10/28/2005 4:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
So, as most people are showing, most sites seem to get a few hits per day that originate here on uer forum. 104 in a month so far is 3-4 per day, which would be higher anytime you posted a specific link in website updates etc.
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I think that frequency of posting here on the forum has something to do with it as well. I've found that times when I post more there's a direct correlation to an increase in traffic flow from here as well.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 27 on 10/28/2005 4:39 PM >
| | | | Posted by HauntedPA
I think that frequency of posting here on the forum has something to do with it as well. I've found that times when I post more there's a direct correlation to an increase in traffic flow from here as well.
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To the extent that a person has over a 1000 uer referrals in the month ? I sincerely doubt it reaches anywhere near that amount. I post very frequently, and my site is probably one of the busier ue sites around, and only when I bother to post a site update in the website updates would I see significant amount of traffic from here, otherwise maybe 10 in a day.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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HauntedPA
Location: Anywhere and Everywhere
Gender: Female
What do you mean the rum is gone?!
| | Re: How much traffic does UER generate for your site ?
<Reply # 28 on 10/28/2005 8:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
To the extent that a person has over a 1000 uer referrals in the month ? I sincerely doubt it reaches anywhere near that amount. I post very frequently, and my site is probably one of the busier ue sites around, and only when I bother to post a site update in the website updates would I see significant amount of traffic from here, otherwise maybe 10 in a day.
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Oh yea in total agreement there. There's no way that someone is getting that many a month from just posting on a forum. I was just saying that I've found that people visit our site a tiny bit more when I'm a more active poster compared to times when I go away where the buses don't run. ;)
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