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 Kamikaze[SETH}
Gender: Male
 |  | Disarm Fire Alarms
< on 1/7/2005 6:57 AM >
|  | | | IS there a simple way?
and if there isnt....how can i do it with tools of the trade
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Jester
 
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| |  | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 1 on 1/7/2005 7:18 AM >
|  | | | What useful purpose is there to disarm a fire alarm ?
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Beryl
    
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 2 on 1/7/2005 10:33 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Jester
What useful purpose is there to disarm a fire alarm ?
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Prolonging your fire while committing Arson, duh. 
Licentious acrimonious puer æternus. Libertine. |
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PAWolf
Not from Pennsylvania
Location: KCMO
Gender: Male
We haven't located us yet.
| |  |  | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 3 on 1/7/2005 10:52 AM >
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simple as that.
-pawolf
Make Beer, Not War. |
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Umpire
Location: Shahre:'on Kaybec
Bonsoir et cest partie
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 4 on 1/7/2005 12:45 PM >
| | | | i heard when you open the radioactive part of a smoke detector ninjas and lazers shoot out?
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mgruss
Location: Chicago, Il
Gender: Male
| |  | | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 5 on 1/7/2005 2:37 PM >
| | | | I've worked on fire/security systems and they are for most failproof. Battery backup. If the phone line is disconected it activates an alarm. ....
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Kamikaze[SETH}
Gender: Male
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 6 on 1/7/2005 3:05 PM >
| | | | no im talking about the fire alards on doors that lead to roofs and exits that say, if opened the alarm will go off, thats what i need disarmed
These laws that keep us safe..these same laws condemn us to boredom |
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 7 on 1/7/2005 3:57 PM >
| | | | I believe there was a thread on this so I'd try searching. It seemed possible with some and not with others. Some are only battery operated, some are tied into electricity. Some reset quickly, some need to be manually reset, etc...
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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Frozen
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Gender: Male
Three-D
| | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 8 on 1/7/2005 4:15 PM >
| | | | Just a note, I don't think you really have to worry about the radiation in smoke detectors like that. I think it's usually just a piece of americium which slowly emits alpha rays, and alpha rays can't even pass through your skin, or a sheet of paper. (BTW, calling them rays is a misnomer because they are actually helium nuclei) Still, I wouldn't suggest ingesting the americium.... 
Urban Exploration |
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Beryl
Not as fluffy as Av!
Location: Germany
Gender: Male
Uncle Beryl
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 9 on 1/7/2005 6:01 PM >
| | | | Posted by Frozen
Just a note, I don't think you really have to worry about the radiation in smoke detectors like that. I think it's usually just a piece of americium which slowly emits alpha rays, and alpha rays can't even pass through your skin, or a sheet of paper. (BTW, calling them rays is a misnomer because they are actually helium nuclei) Still, I wouldn't suggest ingesting the americium....
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Just a note to your note, I don't think you should take the radiation in smoke detectors so lightly like that. Just a little piece of americium may seem harmless, and it's radiation can't even pass through your skin, it doesn't have to pass through to cause skin cancer. The real danger of it usually comes from being inhaled. (BTW, calling them nuclei is a misnomer because they are each a single helium nucleus, not plural) Still, I wouldn't suggest that it's particularly dangerous
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Also, I believe there is already a thread on this, but why would you need to open an exit when you already have an exit/entrance if you're inside? I can only think of destructive ways of opening one (other than disassembly - assuming it still works in the first place).
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 10 on 1/7/2005 6:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Beryl
Also, I believe there is already a thread on this, but why would you need to open an exit when you already have an exit/entrance if you're inside?
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Roof access?
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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Freak
Location: Usually Alaska, now MSP.
Gender: Male
Hypocrite
| | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 11 on 1/7/2005 7:06 PM >
| | | | If it's one of those "crash bar" doors with the horizontal bar that you push to open, many of them lock and unlock with an allan wrench. I'm not sure about the fire exits you're seeing, if it's a self contained unit on the door you may be able to take it apart and remove the battery, or you might have to pick a lock. If it's a magnetic sensor or other device attached to the building's security system, then you may be out of luck.
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MacGyver
Location: St Paul, Minnesota
Gender: Male
"Someone go find me a paperclip, a D-cell battery, and a cheese grater"
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 12 on 1/8/2005 5:15 PM >
| | | | If you mean the alarms on doors that warn you they will sound when opened, I don't think fire alarm is really anywhere near the correct term.
Like a fiend with his dope / a drunkard his wine / a man will have lust for the lure of the mine
"If you are not part of the solution, you are not dissolved in the solvent." |
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BlueStreak
Location: Orlando, FL
Gender: Male
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 13 on 1/9/2005 12:51 AM >
| | | | There are hundreds of different kinds of alarms you are talking about. There is no one way to disable them. If they are one of those local alarms that just sounds at the door, you might be able to peal off the magnetic contacts and tape them together to keep the circuit closed while you go through, or cover the speaker with something so it doesn't make as much noise and draw attention.
If it's a system that is wired and monitored, any tampering will create a 'trouble' and someone is likely to investigate it anyway for a maintenance issue even if the actual alarm doesn't sound.
Personally, I try to avoid alarmed doors/hatches whenever possible. They are pretty reliable for their intended use.
Blue
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Spec-Ops
Location: Hamilton
Gender: Male
| | |  | | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 14 on 1/9/2005 3:52 AM >
| | | | I've been through this situation many times before with several other UE partners I've had and they would just walk out, no alarm at all. There wasnt even silent alarms, because I wouldn't go through I would take the long way out just incase and they would wait for me right outside the door. But just in case you mine as well do what I do and go the long way.
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PAWolf
Not from Pennsylvania
Location: KCMO
Gender: Male
We haven't located us yet.
| | | | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 15 on 1/9/2005 8:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by TRIBEFAN
i heard when you open the radioactive part of a smoke detector ninjas and lazers shoot out?
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Yep, except the ninjas are actually giant turtles trained in the martial arts by a rat.
Make Beer, Not War. |
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greywolf45
Location: U.S.A.
Gender: Male
Resident UER pain in the ass
| |  | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 16 on 1/9/2005 10:01 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
What useful purpose is there to disarm a fire alarm ?
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Jester, i agree with you 100%. I would seriously advise anyone NOT to disarm any fire alarm. That would alert the authorities as the possibility of "visitors", and the sealing up of a good UER site to future trips.
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends"
Martin Luther King Jr. |
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| | |  | | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 17 on 1/10/2005 9:41 AM >
| | | | Many times those "do not open, alarm will sound" stickers are outright lies (especially so in hotels/condos). It really depends on where I am and what I know the security situation to be on how I handle it. If there is an alarm for sure, there's a pretty simple method that is time consuming, but effective:
1. Open the door, set off the alarm.
2. RUN!!!
3. Find a place nearby to hide out, ideally somewhere you aren't trespassing in yet still be able to keep an eye on the door or the building (if you are worried about police response).
4. Watch and wait, give it plenty of time, police can be very slow to respond.
5. If there is a response, wait until they are gone and repeat steps 1-4 over and over again until they assume it is a fault in the system and disable the alarm.
If there is no response, you may want to try 1-4 one more time to be sure of it.
I've done this or similar things on many occasions and it seems to work pretty well.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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Gunslinger
Location: The Wasteland "Peel Region"
Gender: Male
| | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 18 on 1/10/2005 9:44 PM >
| | | | Posted by Shane
Many times those "do not open, alarm will sound" stickers are outright lies (especially so in hotels/condos). It really depends on where I am and what I know the security situation to be on how I handle it. If there is an alarm for sure, there's a pretty simple method that is time consuming, but effective:
1. Open the door, set off the alarm.
2. RUN!!!
3. Find a place nearby to hide out, ideally somewhere you aren't trespassing in yet still be able to keep an eye on the door or the building (if you are worried about police response).
4. Watch and wait, give it plenty of time, police can be very slow to respond.
5. If there is a response, wait until they are gone and repeat steps 1-4 over and over again until they assume it is a fault in the system and disable the alarm.
If there is no response, you may want to try 1-4 one more time to be sure of it.
I've done this or similar things on many occasions and it seems to work pretty well.
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so your wasting firemens time and taxpayers money, i hope you know lots of buildings burn down and people die because of false alarms like these.
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Shane
Moderator
Location: Bronx, NY
Gender: Male
| | | | | | Re: Disarm Fire Alarms
<Reply # 19 on 1/11/2005 3:17 AM >
| | | | WTF? Sorry, but you grossly misinterpreted what I was saying. I'm not talking about pulling fire alarms or setting off smoke detectors. It was agreed upon earlier in this thread that what they were talking about was alarmed doors with the warning "do not open, alarm will sound". What I said only applies to normally alarmed doors. These are often found on the roof access to buildings. Most of them aren't even connected to any sort of central alarm system and are actually just audible alarms that are powered by batteries. Many times, the warning signs are fake, and there is no alarm at all (VERY common in hotels). Those are the ONLY things I was talking about setting off. This applies to motion detectors as well I suppose, but you'd have to be an idiot to go around setting off fire alarms. Regardless of that, I've never seen a place that dispatches firemen for someone walking out a fire exit only door.
"Because there's no possibility of real disaster, real risk, we're left with no chance for real salvation. Real elation. Real excitement. Joy. Discovery. Invention. The laws that keep us safe, these same laws condemn us to boredom. Without access to true chaos, we'll never have true peace. Unless everything can get worse, it won't get any better." -Chuck Palahniuk |
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