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 Mike Dijital
          
UEDB Moderator
Location: Boston MA.
Gender: Male
UE ver. 1.0
 |  |  | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 100 on 6/24/2004 12:38 AM >
|  | | | Do you really believe that.
What ever happens, he will forever been linked as the suicide guy thanks to todays "HOT UER" thread of the day.
Some things should not be posted. send an email if you want to show support.
www.deggi5.com / www.mikedijital.com |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 101 on 6/24/2004 12:43 AM >
|  | | | Guess I'm just not as cynical as you Mike... Someone else had a similar thing, and the support he got from people here isn't hindering him.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 102 on 6/24/2004 12:51 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
Some things should not be posted. send an email if you want to show support.
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Sending an e-mail doesn't save a life. Cooperation between those that know him, and those that have the resources to help, as well as those of us just willing to do what we can, will.
It's not even about UE, or this forum, it's a group of human beings reaching out to another human being in need.
It's called compassion.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
Need help? Please use the Contact a Mod forum — I'm slow to see PMs. |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 103 on 6/24/2004 12:52 AM >
| | | | Ya know you may not like Mike's ethics but I tend to aggree with him. I think this could have been done better. However under the circumstances I would also aggree that it was a just cause. I believe a lot of Panics personal info is now very open to the public on here. Maybe a little reclassifing his info is in order asap.
You guys may harp on how Mike presented his info but I have to aggree to a exstent. I dont care how suicidal I am I wouldnt want my info spilling out on this board to easily. Just my point.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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The Hunter
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 104 on 6/24/2004 12:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mike Dijital
Do you really believe that.
What ever happens, he will forever been linked as the suicide guy thanks to todays "HOT UER" thread of the day.
Some things should not be posted. send an email if you want to show support.
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Normaly I would have to agree with what you are saying except in this case he himself has stated in a public forum that he planned on killing himself or would like to.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 105 on 6/24/2004 12:59 AM >
| | | | I posted this in the suicide prevention but since almost everyone is reading this I think it should go right here. Another reason Mike's statments are more aggreeable to me. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs and hurt a few feelings to get a point across and fix the issue at hand.
Ask any EMS person out there when a suicide victim comes into a ambulance they are usually pretty roughly treated. A couple reasons why but the main was it to get them mad and angry which keeps them alive. I am sure if you walked up to a pill poper most of you would try to comfort them. Which is exactly how they want to die someone comforting them becuase most people know that the road ahead is tougher to work through then the moment at hand.
Now the first person who knows that, that isnt a medic, please step forward and you can be nice and carring to the next suicidal person. By no means should people remove support. I like Panic a lot but the first words out of my mouth to him wouldnt be, "its ok everyone has a fucking bad day" it would be, " are you a fucking moron or just lonely."
Panic you were nice to me and I like you a lot but seriously taking the easy coward way out isnt good. Aparently you didnt but you can make shit better.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 106 on 6/24/2004 1:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by Mark
Ya know you may not like Mike's ethics but I tend to aggree with him. I think this could have been done better. However under the circumstances I would also aggree that it was a just cause. I believe a lot of Panics personal info is now very open to the public on here. Maybe a little reclassifing his info is in order asap.
You guys may harp on how Mike presented his info but I have to aggree to a exstent. I dont care how suicidal I am I wouldnt want my info spilling out on this board to easily. Just my point.
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As far as I've seen, the only information about Panic that has been revealed is information is publicly available anyways, such as the information pulled about his website.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
Need help? Please use the Contact a Mod forum — I'm slow to see PMs. |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 107 on 6/24/2004 1:07 AM >
| | | | Agreed but I also know my info is really publically avaliable if someone wants to social enginer or just look. I dont want to make it any easier for anyone.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Ferret
Location: Toronto
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 108 on 6/24/2004 1:10 AM >
| | | | Mark, MisfitStyle, MD
I do not think this is the appropriate thread to have this discussion.
Take it elsewhere.
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 109 on 6/24/2004 1:17 AM >
| | | | Ferret I disagree whole heartedly. Im not in the interest of making Panic you or the last guy on here feel good. I last time did the same thing and posted a dont die there are things to live for thing. I was wrong dead wrong. The community shouldnt get this information sugar coated and Panic and any other potentially missguided person should see both sides of this.
Im sorry this offends you but such is life and reality sometimes hurts emotionally.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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nd31
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 110 on 6/24/2004 1:29 AM >
| | | | Quite simple:
This thread has a point, it's a group of people who dislike the idea of something attempting suicide/committing suicide/crying for help. All we're trying to do is help. Hindsight is always 20/20, so perhaps all the information wasn't the best to be released. But, when someone's website says: "Life without love is no life at all", I think they want compassion and support.
Perhaps it's just me, but whether this be a "hacked site" (which I think we've eliminated off the list), or a blatant cry for help, or just a cry for attention, we need to examine it.
Ethics is an important issue, but perhaps the best time to discuss this is once we have the actual information regarding Panic! and his situation.
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J Marcs
Location: Ohio
Gender: Male
| |  | | When people don't talk about this sort of thing, people die.
<Reply # 111 on 6/24/2004 1:31 AM >
| | | | It's like going to the Dr. to have him look in your ass with a giant metal light for cancer. Is a little embarrassment worth your life? In this case Panic's friends made the correct decision. The more people talk things like this out in an open environment, the faster they get taken care of.
Those of us that work in ems know that the right treatment doesn't always make a person happy. In this case 2 very disturbing changes were posted on his site in a very short amount of time. His site is public, and has high "explorer" traffic. This was never a private issue from the beginning.
The 1st thing any medical professional is taught about suicide is this- Don't dance around the issue with the person. They are the one who needs help, you are the one who needs info. Ask the flat out. "Are you thinking of hurting yourself?" If yes, then ask how. All being "polite" does is either give them time to do it, or make them feel more isolated. A suicidal person doesn't need to think people are talking behind his back.
My message to Panic- I have viewed your site many times. You are an asset to the field. If you are hurting there seem to be lots of people here who care. If this is a misunderstanding or hack, I would bet the admin staff here would remove this thread. But please "check in". people are worried.
John
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Burzum
Noble Donor
| | | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 112 on 6/24/2004 2:00 AM >
| | | | I think perhaps we should determine, to the best of our ability, whether or not Panic is still whole and well, and then discuss the ethics of dealing with this situation.
For better or worse, this has become a public issue. I would rather not see it become another opportunity to work out frustrations on one another.
For now - because we have already begun down this road, either add your efforts here or reserve your comments, please, until we find out he was okay. if you cannot wait for the situation to be resolved, then begin a seperate ethics thread elsewhere.
The reason this thread was created is because some of us, as a community, are worried about Panic, for obvious reasons, and are doing what we think is best to try and help him. It does not seem appropriate to me to involve other issues in the here and now.
None of this should be taken personally, no disrespect intended to the speakers or the points of view expressed.
www.rouskrew.com
because evil won't just do itself. |
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Mark
Very Noble Donor
Location: South Carolina
Gender: Male
What is a lion, king of the savannah, when hes at the south pole?
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 113 on 6/24/2004 2:05 AM >
| | | | Look Burzum his site changed two things that means. Someone hacked or hes alive. Second if hes dead it wont fix anything and I think everyone is waiting for info. I think its a great time to talk about this and in this thread for all to read and see. Ethics be damned this info is vital to the suvival of others as well.
"If the threat level goes up its probably because of me." "I am looking for a girl who enjoys headbutting beltbuckles" |
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Emma Peel
Location: Ahowah
Gender: Female
Ghosting you like you've never been ghosted before.
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 114 on 6/24/2004 2:13 AM >
| | | | Guys, I don't mean this in a bad way... but how can you change a thread, that was initially created for someone's well being, into another fight?
Ferret is right. You have the right to argue about it, but start yourselves a new discussion.
Personally, I hope that Panic is okay, I didn't know him but from what everybody says, he seems like a wonderful person.
Jac
Sorry, I probably forgot my <sarcasm> tags. |
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SnArF
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 115 on 6/24/2004 2:18 AM >
| | | | Well I guess Panic is okay, but still, the cops still need to intervene. And if he is alive, I feel like a dick for something I posted earlier. Still, lets not stop now, keep trying to contact him.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 116 on 6/24/2004 2:19 AM >
| | | | Enough.
Any more of this arguing and i'll leave a trail of deleted posts 2 pages back...
This is about concern for Panic's life here and nothing else. Save the argueing for when we know he's ok, then you can argue about it till you're blue in the faces.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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Spirit Slayer
Location: 123 fake street
Gender: Female
This is what happened to my heart when you came into my life.
| | | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 117 on 6/24/2004 2:33 AM >
| | | | Even though i don't realy know Panic that well, I hope he is ok. I think it is great that people care about other explorers from the site.
Hope you contact him and everything turns out fine, and, for the love of god, stop argueing.
Embrace the darkness....If you would like to join the mississauga board pm me. |
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-MisfitStyle-
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 118 on 6/24/2004 3:46 AM >
| | | | Posted by -MisfitStyle-
Sending an e-mail doesn't save a life. Cooperation between those that know him, and those that have the resources to help, as well as those of us just willing to do what we can, will.
It's not even about UE, or this forum, it's a group of human beings reaching out to another human being in need.
It's called compassion.
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I'm done with the arguing. I'll re-post what I said earlier. I hope this all works out. As I said before, if there's even the smallest thing I can do to help, just give me a shout.
"I feel like I just got in a battle of wits with some kid in a helmet I found licking a window."
Need help? Please use the Contact a Mod forum — I'm slow to see PMs. |
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DarkTreader
Gender: Male
| | Re: Panics site and suicide
<Reply # 119 on 6/24/2004 3:54 AM >
| | | | Howsabout we all just drop the subject until something resembling definitive information is found. Otherwise, people are going to get pissed off, there'll be stupid bickering back and forth, and no one needs that, especially (hopefully) when Panic returns.
So how 'bout everyone who doesn't have anything new to say just shut their mouths. You wanna bicker about the morality of suicide, or whether or not he actually did it, or how suicide cases are to be handled? Do it in another thread. I'm sick of reading totally stupid things in here that have really nothing to do with the simple fact that there's a good possibility that one of us, an URBAN EXPLORER, is in trouble.
Losers go home... winners go home and fuck the prom queen |
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