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UER Forum > In Memoriam > 06/15/08 - Ryan Nyenhuis dies at Hearn (Viewed 50430 times)
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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 180 on 6/18/2008 9:41 PM >
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a fund for flowers for the family of the departed would probably be a better idea.


Something a little more meaningful, please.




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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 181 on 6/18/2008 9:45 PM >
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So did we ever find out if this person was a member here. If so we should do something, a memorial sticky at the least, a fund for flowers for the family of the departed would probably be a better idea.


I have been trying to figure out who it is. But I have no clue right now. We do know that a blond haired female was with him. Anyone know any blond haired female explorer from Northern Ontario? Or anyone named Ryan from Northern Ontario?

At first I thought it was JTColfax... Because he had apparently asked Jono about going to Hearn that day, and apparently his name was also Ryan. However he is not from Northern Ontario, nor is he 26. He has also logged onto his myspace account since then.

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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 182 on 6/18/2008 9:47 PM >
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Something a little more meaningful, please.


Like?

In all reality, what else can be done? We are spread all over the world. It is hard to do any more than that considering how spread out we all are.



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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 183 on 6/18/2008 9:49 PM >
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Like?

In all reality, what else can be done? We are spread all over the world. It is hard to do any more than that considering how spread out we all are.


I don't know, this might be a stretch, but maybe we can help pay for the funeral, as a group? Start a collection, and whatever we get goes to the family? Just an idea...




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A memorial donation to a charity of your choice would be a better idea than trying to fund a funeral.

If you would like to make a memorial donation to a charity on behalf of the deceased, please feel free to PM me and I will continue the process from there with you.

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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 185 on 6/18/2008 10:07 PM >
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I still think the most shocking fact of all is that it could have been any one of us.
It's so hard to wrap my head around the concept, and the idea of having to attend any of your funerals is simply horrifying.

What a way to go.




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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 186 on 6/18/2008 10:22 PM >
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A memorial donation to a charity of your choice would be a better idea than trying to fund a funeral.

If you would like to make a memorial donation to a charity on behalf of the deceased, please feel free to PM me and I will continue the process from there with you.

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My reasoning was that he is young, it will likely be a burden on his family. If not to pay for the funeral, at least to help with things... I dunno, maybe charity is better? <shrugs> its just an idea




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The thing about charity that bothers me is that it is possible that we are donating to a cause in his name that he did not agree with.

If anything, his family should be contacted, so they can tell us what non-profit orgs he supported, then donate to them in his name.




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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
< Reply # 188 on 6/18/2008 10:37 PM >
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I like exploring but I would honestly hate to die while trespassing in some abandoned building. That's not how I want to be remembered, and I wouldn't want a bunch of people on some internet site bitching about how my death resulted in them not being able to visit "so and so" place.

I'm sure these were thoughts going through this persons mind while they waited to be rescued.




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Posted by MutantMandiasAnd even if you do all of that perfectly, there are still things that will happen that are beyond your control, and you may end up hurt, with some UER ass calling you a careless idiot.

Well, there are all types. Some people just can't seem to pull their head out of their ass long enough to look beyond their own little bubble of existence.




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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
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This is really sad... I just sat here and read through all the pages of this thread, beginning to end.


If anything can come of this, I would hope it would be that we can all respect and appreciate each other as fellow explorers maybe just a LITTLE more than it seems like most of us do already? We all share a common hobby here. This hobby can be awesome, amazing and fulfilling, but as we also know, dangerous.

I would love to see everyone just be thankful that we are all still here and show some respect.


As I said in another thread, rest in peace fellow explorer, and of course my deepest condolences to his friends and family.









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Re: 26-year-old from Northern Ontario falls, dies at R.L.Hearn
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I have been trying to determine who this fellow was as well.

I have also been following this thread which has prompted me to add my own 2-cents worth.

Being now over 40-yrs old, I am certain that I may have a different view of events which not be agreeable to other explorers.

Although this accident is very tragic indeed (I have expressed deep and sincere condolences on my blog), I a hesitant to call the ending of this person's young life 'senseless'.

<with all respect to the individual's family and friends>
I have let my thoughts wander as to my own mortality as I am sure that many others have as well when we hear about such events. I should think that I would rather 'go out' doing something I enjoy rather than wasting away in a hospital bed, being taken out by a road-side bomb in AfghCanada or perhaps a senseless death caused by a drunk driver.

There is excessive brevity in media which dismiss this hobby as dangerous. Experienced explorers should at all times foster and encourage inveterate safety to new explorers. Contrariwise, new explorers are ill-served thinking that there is no great value in seeking advice of local expertise.


. . my 2-cents.





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Well said CopySix, well said!




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There is excessive brevity in media which dismiss this hobby as dangerous. Experienced explorers should at all times foster and encourage inveterate safety to new explorers. Contrariwise, new explorers are ill-served thinking that there is no great value in seeking advice of local expertise.


. . my 2-cents.




This is a great idea. There should be a specific thread about this (not the accident specifically) that all new people should be forced to read. Everyone throws about abstract concepts like 'luck', 'common sense' and whatnot and I think certain things should be outlined. There was a thread here a while ago where I read several stories of people falling through unstable floors, among other things. Not everyone has the opportunity to go to a meet, and some of these issues might not occur to someone new to the 'hobby/activity'.

Also, stressing the importance of speaking with locals is essential, but I'm sure the stigma of asking for information around here won't make that easy either.




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Also, stressing the importance of speaking with locals is essential, but I'm sure the stigma of asking for information around here won't make that easy either.


I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'.




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I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'.


Absolutely.

One thing I have always respected (in regards to the UE D is that for every location, you can outline saftey hazards, such as unsafe flooring, etc.




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I think that if there is a safety hazard at a site, we should discuss it openly, even if it does give away enterence details, or other sensitive information. Sharing information about safety risks should be our top priority, not 'keeping the site open for us'.




I've always taken issue with the concept "my site". If people are exploring locations and they want to keep it for themselves -- they shouldn't be putting stuff online in the form of stories, photos or otherwise. Most of the more senior members here seem to get info by word of mouth anyways, other then going out and looking. So this leaves us with newbies and others who aren't chatting with others who might point out less obvious risks.

Nobody is keeping Hearn or the malt plant, a secret.





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not to downplay or lessen the seriousness of this thread, there is one theme that keeps coming up in each one of your posts (which, for the most part, have been very well put) and that is the mantle of danger we each undertake when we enter a location. We are, honestly, attracted to this hobby by that danger, however minute it may be. In all fairness, what we do as a hobby cannot compare to others out there... spelunking, rafting, hiking, etc. However, that isn't to say that we don't have our own rules to contend with. I'm not talking about a trite argument over ethics, I'm talking about treating each location as if it were a danger room where you could be killed.

For those of us who live in areas with industrial ruins, catwalks and stairways decay, floors can crack from frost spalling the concrete, railings can fail, objects can fall from above... i see many pictures in the galleries where my fellow travelers aren't wearing helmets. I'm not a safety nazi by any stretch of the imagination, but a hardhat has saved my melon on many occasions, and that was in a functioning mill with safety precautions!

I think that this guys' death, as tragic as it was, could be used as a learning experience for us all. Kowalski may differ with me on this point and I welcome his argument, but when this comes down to brass tacks, we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. We're not explorers, we're not historians, we're not archeologists or sociologists. I think we're tourists with a slightly different tour guide.

Does this mean we should all wear harnesses and lifelines, or where helmets and big nasty boots? No. Just use your head for something other than ballast. We have a common rule where I work. Trust nothing. We don't trust the chemical alarms, railings catwalks, valves, piping. We treat everything as if it could burst or break at any second. Maybe that's being paranoid, but having it applied towards our hobby might not be a bad idea.

I probably lost my point in here somewhere... i just was trying to say something that I felt.




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not to downplay or lessen the seriousness of this thread, there is one theme that keeps coming up in each one of your posts (which, for the most part, have been very well put) and that is the mantle of danger we each undertake when we enter a location. We are, honestly, attracted to this hobby by that danger, however minute it may be. In all fairness, what we do as a hobby cannot compare to others out there... spelunking, rafting, hiking, etc. However, that isn't to say that we don't have our own rules to contend with. I'm not talking about a trite argument over ethics, I'm talking about treating each location as if it were a danger room where you could be killed.

For those of us who live in areas with industrial ruins, catwalks and stairways decay, floors can crack from frost spalling the concrete, railings can fail, objects can fall from above... i see many pictures in the galleries where my fellow travelers aren't wearing helmets. I'm not a safety nazi by any stretch of the imagination, but a hardhat has saved my melon on many occasions, and that was in a functioning mill with safety precautions!

I think that this guys' death, as tragic as it was, could be used as a learning experience for us all. Kowalski may differ with me on this point and I welcome his argument, but when this comes down to brass tacks, we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age. We're not explorers, we're not historians, we're not archeologists or sociologists. I think we're tourists with a slightly different tour guide.

Does this mean we should all wear harnesses and lifelines, or where helmets and big nasty boots? No. Just use your head for something other than ballast. We have a common rule where I work. Trust nothing. We don't trust the chemical alarms, railings catwalks, valves, piping. We treat everything as if it could burst or break at any second. Maybe that's being paranoid, but having it applied towards our hobby might not be a bad idea.

I probably lost my point in here somewhere... i just was trying to say something that I felt.

The "tourist" thing, while on the surface offensive, is pretty true. I got the same ups from tooling around the streets of a city foreign to me as I do in an abandonment or an off-limits area--the danger part of it does add to the thrill, but only temporarily, once I know I'm safe I'm a tourist. I can't add anything on the safety thing, as an older (shit!) person, I take every precaution not to get in sticky situations.

Be safe. If this dude's tragedy proves anything it's that it CAN happen to you.




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we are historical tourists looking for the aesthetics of a lost age.


Your entire reply was very well said, but this part gave me chills. VERY well said.




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