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UER Forum > US: Great Lakes > NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. (Viewed 12914 times)
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NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< on 6/19/2014 1:57 PM >

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Hi, and welcome to UER!

UER is a place to share information, photos, and stories. Unfortunately, some explorers believe that they have the exclusive rights to control who gets to see a particular piece of information or a particular place, and they intimidate new members until those members are forced to take down their posts and leave the site.

This type of behaviour is NOT OK. If you are asked, either in public or in private, to remove your post, please ignore it and report it to the moderating team so that the person who is asking you can be spoken to.

Thanks, and keep exploring!




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 1 on 6/19/2014 10:34 PM >

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Posted by Avatar-X
Unfortunately, some explorers believe that they have the exclusive rights to control who gets to see a particular piece of information or a particular place, and they intimidate new members until those members are forced to take down their posts and leave the site.


Please hear me out; I'm trying to have a respectful discussion:

The quote above is a prime example of the big misunderstanding surrounding this topic.

No-one (that I've ever spoken to or that I've witnessed on any exploring forum anywhere) believes that they have the "exclusive rights to control who gets to see a particular piece of information or a particular place". The people that "believe they have the exclusive rights" exist only in your imagination. Clearly there has been a misunderstanding and I would like to try to explain the other side of the argument.

The very same reasons it's not a good idea to post entrances are the very same reasons it's not a good idea to post sensitive locations. There is no difference. If you defend not posting entrances, you can quote those words in defense of not posting sensitive locations.

Sometimes there are places that just can't support extra traffic. Sometimes methods of entry are very particular and best handed down in person. Now I totally agree that locals can take it too far sometimes and it can seem like harassment. But just because a noob got into a location doesn't mean we should throw our hands up and say "welp that location must not be sensitive if that noob got inside. Nevermind the increased traffic that will bring the heat down on it as a result". There are in many cases good reasons why places shouldn't be posted on the most popular exploring website in the world for all to see.

Often, people who are new to this hobby will try to get into something good and use that as their introduction to the community. I don't blame them. I did this myself on a local forum. Guess what happened! My post was removed. It was explained to me why and I totally understood. And then I went on to explore the place with the same person who deleted it and I joined an awesome community. There were no hard feelings.

This new rule makes it seem like it's cool to post anything and who cares who it pisses off, especially the local bullies. Right off the bat, there's hostility where there otherwise might not have been. The local bullies might actually be super nice and knowledgeable people. Now all of a sudden, the locals don't have the right to politely engage the poster in conversation. The rule should consider the tone and content of the conversation. If it's civilized then the rule should not apply, especially if the two parties could have otherwise reached an agreement.

Notably missing from the forum rules is the rule of not giving away locations, yet most of the people here agree on this. Personally, I'm a fan of using made up names and vague information (if any). There should be a rule to protect locations because without them, we have nothing to explore. Most people can't take credit for getting inside a place and none of us built them. So show the place your respect by not handing it out for free to anyone with an internet connection. Why is this not a rule?




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 2 on 6/19/2014 10:56 PM >

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I disagree with the concept of not giving away locations, which is why it is not a rule. I am fine with hiding them behind the shield of Full Membership, but that is all.

You are welcome to disagree with the new rule, but you must still abide by it. We've tried it "your way" for many years now, and it isn't working. So it's simply not going to be allowed anymore. I am tired of people bullying new explorers.

-av




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 3 on 6/19/2014 11:19 PM >

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Posted by Avatar-X
I disagree with the concept of not giving away locations, which is why it is not a rule.


You not agreeing with it is why there have been so many problems.

Look at nearly every single post in the photography section. Obviously most everyone else on here who contributes feels differently than you do about it. If this was a rule, then people wouldn't be getting "bullied" into not sharing certain locations and all of this would not be an issue to begin with.



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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 4 on 6/20/2014 2:21 AM >

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In the end, its Avatars forum , Avatars rules, your point is mute.


also, side note, looking at your stars, I see you don't have a donor star, which means you have not donated any money to help the monthly expense of the forum, but yet you feel you can log onto this website, provided to you for free, and tell the admin to change his rules to yours... I don't get that logic at all...

thats like going to someones house for a free dinner, and after you eat, you command them to repaint the walls because you don't agree with the current color


...my .02






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< Reply # 5 on 6/20/2014 2:52 AM >

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That's correct; I haven't donated financially to this website. I guess that means I can't engage him in conversation. Being local to the area isn't good enough to post conversations here. Perhaps there should be a post count per dollar contributed limit imposed, then I could better understand how this works.

Is this a change.org petition? Nope, I'm just talking to the guy and trying to offer an alternate viewpoint on the matter.




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 6 on 6/20/2014 2:56 AM >

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Actually in his second post he answered you, but that didnt seem good enough for you... reread his second post.. what I get from that particular post is

" ive read your concerns but im not changing my mind thanks for your input "

this line from Av's post is kinda a dead givaway to that

You are welcome to disagree with the new rule, but you must still abide by it.



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< Reply # 7 on 6/20/2014 3:38 AM >

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yeah thanks I already saw that




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 8 on 6/20/2014 4:00 AM >

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Posted by Mike Dijital
also, side note, looking at your stars, I see you don't have a donor star, which means you have not donated any money to help the monthly expense of the forum

Wait.. did you buy your way back onto UER?




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 9 on 6/20/2014 4:03 AM >

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I appreciate the vote of confidence, Mike. While donations are always appreciated, our hosting is now donated by an amazing local company, Beanfield, so I no longer have to guilt people into donating each month (that's why the banners and nag notices are now gone)

Anyway, donor or not, I welcome anyone's opinion. But it's important to remember that this is not a democracy, and that as the owner and operator of this privately-owned website, the rules I set out are the ones that we all follow. If you disagree, and feel that you can't follow the rules, you are welcome to "vote with your feet" so to speak, and discontinue use of the site. Nobody is forcing you to be here.

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 10 on 6/20/2014 4:10 AM >

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Posted by relux

Wait.. did you buy your way back onto UER?



No I contacted av and spoke to him with respect.. Thats gets you pretty far with him




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DISCRETION IS A CHOICE

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 11 on 6/20/2014 7:07 AM >

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Well this rule clearly demonstrates that AV likes newbs blowing up spots more then the wishes of vetern, trusted explorers of the community.

And since I'm from the US, I obviously must blame others so, I blame Canada......http://youtu.be/bOR38552MJA




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< Reply # 12 on 6/20/2014 12:28 PM >

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Well this rule clearly demonstrates that AV likes newbs blowing up spots more then the wishes of vetern, trusted explorers of the community.


I believe my conversation above also clearly illustrates this point. I hoped that by exposing the error in his logic, it might help him recognize the real reason that these things are going on. He's blaming the symptoms as they bubble to the surface and not the cause. I would think anyone with years of exploring to his credit would understand this and it seems the vast majority of everyone else on here, except him, feels the same.

And to the "vote with your feet" comment, please do notice how long I've been here and how little I post. That should indicate how little I value the forums here. This could be a great place, but the way its run is not only causing problems here, but it can also have real world consequences. Still, there's a head in the sand mentality and a "this is my party" disregard of valuable member's concerns. So yes, I will continue to vote with my feet as I have for the 6 years I've been a member here.




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 13 on 6/20/2014 12:55 PM >

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Posted by SubLunar



And to the "vote with your feet" comment, please do notice how long I've been here and how little I post. That should indicate how little I value the forums here. This could be a great place, but the way its run is not only causing problems here, but it can also have real world consequences. Still, there's a head in the sand mentality and a "this is my party" disregard of valuable member's concerns. So yes, I will continue to vote with my feet as I have for the 6 years I've been a member here.








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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 14 on 6/20/2014 1:03 PM >

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My interpretation is that I reveal details of locations to explore the history and story of a particular structure(s). It's nearly impossible to conceal a location when you cite sources or conduct research, and so I don't bother trying. And in some cases, it allows for some wonderful one-on-one contact with the owner of the property. Two notable cases in the past year led to the redevelopment of two abandoned distilleries that I will (soon) lead tours and events of. In other cases, it allows for the wholesale salvaging of a property prior to its demolition or redevelopment (think seats, lights and other adornments that are no longer wanted).

We all do it for a different reason. There is no need to harass others because they interpret their interest in a different light.

And if folks have a problem with it on UER, then they can simply leave the site. It's no big loss.

IMO




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< Reply # 15 on 6/20/2014 1:10 PM >

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... and it seems the vast majority of everyone else on here, except him, feels the same.


Apparently SubLunar is not seeing all of the other people who are posting on this thread...




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< Reply # 16 on 6/20/2014 1:12 PM >

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It's nearly impossible to conceal a location when you cite sources or conduct research, and so I don't bother trying.


It's super easy. Generic name, vague information. Couldn't be easier.




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< Reply # 17 on 6/20/2014 1:13 PM >

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Apparently SubLunar is not seeing all of the other people who are posting on this thread...



Apparently you've never clicked on the photography section. It's a big no-no over there to reveal the location. 99.99% of the people give vague details and fake names to accompany the photos. Just look around, I don't have to defend this stance because your members have been practicing it themselves all along. For my vindication I need to go no further than look at the photography section.

Also, there was two other people commenting. One was not contributing anything to the topic, the other was on your side. My side also had support, so "all the other people" are not as large of a base as you seem to think they are, lol.



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< Reply # 18 on 6/20/2014 1:16 PM >

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Posted by Mike Dijital
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Your contributions to this thread are noted.




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< Reply # 19 on 6/20/2014 1:16 PM >

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I'm not really understanding what your problem is? It's not like we've made "revealing the location" a requirement or a rule or something. People are still just as welcome to be discreet if they want to.

All we've outlawed is the harassment and bullying of new members who post UE photos on a UE website (imagine that).





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