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UER Forum > US: Great Lakes > NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS. (Viewed 13599 times)
SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 20 on 6/20/2014 1:19 PM >

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Posted by Avatar-X
I'm not really understanding what your problem is? It's not like we've made "revealing the location" a requirement or a rule or something. People are still just as welcome to be discreet if they want to.

All we've outlawed is the harassment and bullying of new members who post UE photos on a UE website (imagine that).




You're focusing on the symptoms and not the cause. This rule is a failure to recognize that. All I hoped to do was bring it to your attention. As the owner, you have the right to bury your head in the sand and I realize this.




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Alpha Husky


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yay!

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 21 on 6/20/2014 1:27 PM >

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I'm not burying anything. You seem to think that I am unaware of the issue and that I have not considered what you are saying.

Have you considered the possibility that you are incorrect? That the "hoard and hide" mentality of exploring isn't the right way to go about it? I got my start in exploring thanks to the excellent Infiltration zines, which told complete stories of exploring places all over the world.

Imagine if the founder of those zines felt the way you did -- he'd never have published them, or he'd have written "Abandoned factory in some place" with blurry photos and a dull story. But thankfully he didn't.

So I am telling you straight up: Here on UER, I am OK with sharing as much information about the location as the user wants to share. The name of the place, the exact address or co-ordinates, photos of the exterior, photos of the interior, historical information, etc. The one and sole exception is that we don't approve of the sharing of entry points.

The purpose of the UEDB is to build a shared history of these places, because they will eventually be torn down through no actions of ours. By providing the open platform that is the UEDB, anyone may share their photos, stories, and information. Take a look at all of the state hospitals in Massachusetts that Mike mentions -- they are all gone now. They live on only in our memories, helped along by things like the UEDB.

So anyway, you can "hoard and hide" all you want, but I'm not going to allow people like you to harass people who feel differently any longer on my site.




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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 22 on 6/20/2014 2:10 PM >

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Posted by Avatar-X
The one and sole exception is that we don't approve of the sharing of entry points.


I challenge you to justify this in words because you will be simultaneously justifying not giving away locations.

Posted by Avatar-X
I'm not going to allow people like you to harass people who feel differently any longer on my site.

Please stop accusing me of doing things I haven't done. This is the third time you've treated me this way.

You didn't look at the photography section did you? If you go there sometime, you'll see widespread agreement and cooperation among virtually all who post there which totally vindicates my position.




Avatar-X 

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 23 on 6/20/2014 2:27 PM >

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Posted by SubLunar
I challenge you to justify this in words because you will be simultaneously justifying not giving away locations.


Sure. Here it is. Knowing that a building exists, knowing where it is, knowing what it looks like from the outside, none of these are really a secret. Some of the best places to explore are in the middle of a city with thousands of passersby a day. Giving the place a fake name and a fake location isn't going to fool anyone.

However, getting inside it, or on the roof, or whatever, requires knowledge of the entry point. If it's as simple as "someone smashed a hole in the wall", well, then obviously there's not much to be gained by hiding the entry point on UER. But most of the places I have explored, the building has appeared to be sealed up, with no visible entry points. Usually entry is gained by climbing in an non-obvious place, or taking a tunnel off-site, or a secret board that is lifted in just the right way, or shimmying up a wall in a certain place. For active locations, it's about knowing to take the secret elevator, or the employee staircase when nobody's looking, or how to jimmy the latch on the hatch that goes to the roof of the hotel.

Giving away this information does two things: It takes away from the challenge of finding a way in that I consider to be part of exploring, and it makes it very easy for the property owner to close the entry point.

If "closing the entry point" simply requires the owner to walk around their property, it really just means you need a more secretive entry point.



You didn't look at the photography section did you?


It may surprise you to learn that I frequently peruse all of the sections of my website. The photography section is primarily focused on the sharing of photos, where location information is not really required. But if people want to post it, they are welcome to.




huskies - such fluff.
seicer 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 24 on 6/20/2014 2:27 PM >

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I don't. And I've been here ten years. Your 99% analogy is personal.




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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 25 on 6/20/2014 2:35 PM >

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Posted by seicer
I don't. And I've been here ten years. Your 99% analogy is personal.


I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The photography section has always been a place to share photos without most people feeling the need to give the location away. Believe it or not, photos can be enjoyed without us knowing the coordinates or address or previous business names.

I don't even need to defend this just look there and you'll see. People have pretty much always frowned on giving away locations there. Reality is my vindication. You can post locations there all you want to try to prove me wrong, which I see you've already done, but that doesn't change the way it's always been over there.




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 26 on 6/20/2014 2:44 PM >

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I got a very quick fix for this

Sublunar, you yourself have stated you don't really contribute much here, so the solution .... Go away, trust me someone will fill the void left by you not being here..

your whining over something that isnt going to change is getting tiresome, and to the point your cheapening your own argument..

just leave if you dont like it




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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 27 on 6/20/2014 3:10 PM >

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Posted by Mike Dijital
...


I've been voluntarily inactive on this website for the better part of 6 years without the need of your approval. Not sure what you think you're actually contributing to this discussion, though. To recap: you've invited me to leave. Again. Thanks for your input.



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Mike Dijital 

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 28 on 6/20/2014 3:14 PM >

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Posted by SubLunar


I've been voluntarily inactive on this website for the better part of 6 years without the need of your approval. Not sure what you think you're actually contributing to this discussion, though. To recap: you've invited me to leave. Again. Thanks for your input.


Im not quite sure what your contributing to this conversation either other than ,

"wah wah wah , im not getting my way"






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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 29 on 6/20/2014 3:19 PM >

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LOL

AV and I were having a discussion. You have contributed nothing to it. He could have not responded and that would have been that. As long as he and I are talking your lame attempts at trolling are transparent and disregarded as such.




Mike Dijital 

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 30 on 6/20/2014 3:22 PM >

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You were not having a discussion, you asked, he said no, you kept asking...



thats not a discussion, thats an annoying member who doesn't really add much to the site over stepping his boundaries, and acting self important..



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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 31 on 6/20/2014 3:40 PM >

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Your opinion has been noted. Thanks for your input.




Mike Dijital 

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 32 on 6/20/2014 3:44 PM >

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So was yours, by the admin himself on page one...


but yet you keep posting too lulz


anyway ill leave you to your quest to explain to AV why your right and he's wrong, good luck with that... Im sure another 3 pages of your long winded crying will most certainly change AV's mind

go get em sport!



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Thelma 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 33 on 6/21/2014 4:13 AM >

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this is fucking hilarious

good job folks

notice who in this thread is from here and who isnt?......interesting huh?

ps <3 u sublunar





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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 34 on 6/21/2014 4:30 AM >

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Posted by Mike Dijital


Im [sic] not quite sure what your [SERIOUSLY?] contributing to this conversation either other than , [spaced comma?]

"wah wah wah [capitalize the first word in a sentence] , im[sic] not getting my way[sic]"



You misspelled "you're", among a few of your typos.
This is the forums, not Facebook.
In other words, keep the arguments rolling, I'm making myself some popcorn.




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Radio2600 


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It's 10 PM, do you know what time it is?

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 35 on 6/21/2014 5:39 AM >

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Posted by Avatar-X
The purpose of the UEDB is to build a shared history of these places, because they will eventually be torn down through no actions of ours. By providing the open platform that is the UEDB, anyone may share their photos, stories, and information. Take a look at all of the state hospitals in Massachusetts that Mike mentions -- they are all gone now. They live on only in our memories, helped along by things like the UEDB.



Exactly.

To my knowledge, this is the only record online that this rather large abandonment (more like property confiscation, but hey) ever existed.

http://www.uer.ca/...ow.asp?locid=28094

It was "full members only" until the demolition was completed and then I made it "publicly viewable".

That's how I thought this was supposed to work.




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Mike Dijital 

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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 36 on 6/21/2014 12:55 PM >

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Posted by A Through Z Explorations


You misspelled "you're", among a few of your typos.
This is the forums, not Facebook.
In other words, keep the arguments rolling, I'm making myself some popcorn.




This coming from a guy who uses every profile customization option to let everyone here know he's bad ass... If you have to tell people how cool you are, then "you're " really not

and you're still a goof mask man




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SubLunar 


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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 37 on 6/21/2014 2:47 PM >

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AV, et al,

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but this isn't exactly the most important thing going on in my life right now.

I have written replies to each one of your points but since most of it is your-opinion-versus-ours it's probably not worth an even larger wall of text. I have omitted them in favor of highlighting only the meat of the issue, below. If you like, I can follow up with all the other replies later.

Note that I'm not expecting you to change anything around here. This is your party. I'm content simply pointing out the error in the logic behind this line of reasoning and leaving it up to you to continue denying responsibility for anything posted online that can cause issues in the real world. Burying your head in the sand is well within your right.

Posted by Avatar-X
it makes it very easy for the property owner to close the entry point.


Using your very own scenario: How do you suppose Mr. Property Owner could find out his property has a compromised entry point? Does it come to him in a dream? Unless you have some other idea, I think that would happen after the location was identified publicly.

Now, consider your same scenario where a property owner finds out his property has been compromised only the photos don't include an entry point. Do you assume they just throw their hands up and not bother further securing their location? If this is what you think, you're in denial. Plenty of real life examples to prove otherwise. Only looking at one half of the coin doesn't mean the other side doesn't exist. Not all locations require special treatment, but some do.. if we want to continue exploring them.

No one denies that local hoodlums fuck shit up and no-one claims that not identifying them publicly is going to save them. But do we have no responsibility to try to protect certain sensitive locations from public identification in order to ensure they last and stay open as long as possible? Or should we all just say fuck it, I was in there before you, who cares what happens to it now?

I can assure you that through our efforts locally (in any given city), we have been very successful keeping certain things open and explorable all the way up until new businesses came in and renovated. This includes maintaining several entry points, adjusting them as necessary and yes even leaving that easy window unlocked so others didn't have to get in the hard way. I can think of more than a few places off the top of my head and I guarantee you they wouldn't have lasted if they were made public. But what do I know? I'm just a local. I only live near and regularly explore/check up on locations you've never even heard of. Come down and explore with us some time.

I would make an analogy that this "fuck the locals, they have no say" mentality is turning UER into the wal-mart of urban exploration. But it doesn't have to be that way.

Thank you for listening and partaking in this discussion with me.




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 38 on 6/21/2014 4:00 PM >

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I understand what you're saying, and I'm not without sympathy for it. I can even see the value in it. What Av is saying is that UER is simply not the website for it. It wasn't that way when it started (was much more in the share almost everything philosophy), it migrated towards the more secretive as the site grew in popularity. Now it is being returned to its "roots", so to speak, and we'll see how compatible that is with a large membership base.

One unintended consequence is that perhaps people will be more selective in with whom they share info, because it might end up on here without the previous restrictions. This could have the result in making location information less accessible to newcomers than it might otherwise have been.




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Re: NOTE: IF YOU ARE ASKED TO REMOVE YOUR POST or PHOTOS BY LOCALS, PLEASE REPORT THEM TO THE MODERATORS.
< Reply # 39 on 6/21/2014 4:24 PM >

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What's the policy on people who post locations but refuse to give out details then? If we're all about sharing and such...




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