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FreeLee
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| | | Re: Should I bring a weapon? < Reply # 40 on 5/19/2020 6:13 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by /-/ooligan What sounds like to you is nothing more than a cool-place to explore with some buddies for thrill & recreation is someone else's home. Kinda doesn't matter whether they too are trespassing, whether they're a drunken bum or what -- you're thinking about intruding into their sanctuary, which bad-luck & bad decisions have forced them to live in. That doesn't mean to drop your exploration plans, but to just please show some respect for squatters & let them maintain some sort of dignity. He/she/they are going to be more nervous than you -- are you a predator there to steal anything of semi-value they have & beat them-up, are you the owner of the property there to kick them out, are you another squatter who is willing & able to fight for possession of the property, or are you even just some big rat that they have to worry about biting while the squatter tries to sleep? All those concerns are much more realistic and have a long-term impact than your worry about chased out by some deranged homeless person. If you decide the property really is something that you have to explore, definitely go with other people, maybe have a couple large Mag-Light type flashlights amongst you, stay together, and announce your presence & your purpose as you walk around, asking for anyone else inside to call-out. Ideally, have a couple sealed plastic water bottles that you could give to any squatters in-exchange for them tolerating your brief disturbance.
But yeah, always keep in-mind that the structure you want to sneak & peek inside could be occupied by some very bad person or persons who don't have a problem hurting or killing you if you disrupt their activity.
I was poking around once in an abandoned house at an old military base in California & had a near altercation with a dude. He wasn't a big guy, but I got a weird vibe because of some of the things I saw inside the place that I assumed were his. I pretended that I just thought he was homeless & that I'd go to a different house to explore & I got the phuck out, got out of view of the house, & ran. Called the police, they responded & caught the guy, and it turned out he was an armed fugitive from Washington or Oregon, wanted for homicide & had probably been living in that old house for several weeks. /-/ooligan
| Having come across a couple homeless people I can day this is generally good advice. I have also had some life experience that had me living homeless for a short period of time and what ooligan said is accurate. I explore with my daughter now and pepper spray for self defense is not a terrible idea. Even the threat if it is enough to discourage someone. If you are going to carry pepper spray know how to use it. Buy an extra canister and use it up on a practice session. I can almost guarantee that you will shoot high, low or have the range off. Needing it and not knowing how to use it is a fail. I would say carrying a weapon is not a good idea. What black said about the dangers of falling or another hazard is a more serious concern. B
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| xNat
Location: Toronto Gender: Female Total Likes: 40 likes
With Night, Freedom
| | | Re: Should I bring a weapon? < Reply # 41 on 5/20/2020 5:42 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Short answer: No. Long answer: Carrying a weapon sounds like much more trouble than it's worth. Ignoring the whole getting caught by police thing (which can be worse if you have weapons on you), having a weapon makes you much more likely to get hurt or to get into a fight/be seen as a threat. Even if you win the fight, what do you plan to do then? Good job, you knocked someone out, stabbed them, or shot them, when all you wanted was to explore a location. It's not worth that. Additionally something like a maglite can be extra weight that you just lug around until you brandish it, get it wrestled away from you, and smacked in the head with. If you encounter a threat, try to be calm and de-escalate, and if that doesn't work, just run for it.
| "That sounds like a horrible idea! Let's do it!" |
| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Should I bring a weapon? < Reply # 52 on 11/19/2021 12:25 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by jitty04 If you bring a weapon and get caught your charges will be much more severe.
| Not only your own charges, but the charges of anybody else exploring with you. Let's say something goes down in an abandoned factory and your buddy shoots someone. Doesn't matter whether it was self defense, you weren't supposed to be there and now somebody is dead. Any prosecutor worth their salt will go after you and your compatriots for breaking and entering/armed burglary with the addition of a felony murder charge for each of you- because even if you didn't pull the trigger, somebody died while you were committing a felony (and they're much more likely to make felony charges stick when somebody is dead), meaning they can tack a felony murder charge on you as an accomplice. Even if you never have to use a weapon, being caught with a weapon of any kind can escalate a misdemeanor trespassing charge to a felony armed burglary charge in many jurisdictions. It's not worth the risk, so I won't explore armed nor will I explore with anyone else who is. I've been doing this for seven years and never had an altercation that couldn't be deescalated, and I have no intention of putting myself in a situation where taking a life is even a possibility. If a place truly is that sketchy, it's not worth it.
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| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Should I bring a weapon? < Reply # 54 on 6/20/2022 3:38 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I will say that I have considered bear spray for a few explores- but that's because those spots require hiking into very remote parts of the Rocky Mountains to reach, so I'd be defending myself from an aggressive bear, not a person. That makes things much less legally complicated. In the end I just canceled those exploring plans because a grizzly bear killed and ate a solo hiker a few miles away. I'll dodge security guards, sure- but bear spray or no, confirmed reports of maneating bears in the area is too much for me. Anyway, for 99% of explores I'd say leave the weapon at home, and for that last 1% think very hard about why you feel you need it. If there's even the slightest chance of encountering cops or using said weapon against another person, don't. And if you need a weapon to feel safe at a location that isn't in the most remote wilderness in the lower 48, maybe you shouldn't be exploring it.
| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
| fr00tCake
Location: 0.506953, 73.450199 Gender: Male Total Likes: 223 likes
| | | Re: Should I bring a weapon? < Reply # 57 on 11/10/2022 1:37 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by NeuroticMatt I really liked that umbrella.
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