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Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1900 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Worst automobile engines of all time < Reply # 4 on 3/19/2013 2:35 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by sleeperspirit Shit, the chrysler 2.2 was a good engine. Why isn't the quad four on this list? There crap.
| again, this surfaced back when the list originally came out in 2009. The Quad 4 was a great race engine, but sucked in real world applications. It was too damn fragile for daily abuse by the average american. The 2.4L Twin Cam, although a whisker different, still was of the same design and suffered the same fate. I remember what a nightmare changing a water pump was on these cars. In a 99 Grand Am GT, the book called for 12 hours to change one. My brother could do it in a little over 7. The Ecotec is what the Quad4/Twin Cam SHOULD'VE been, but wasn't. the 2.8L doesn't deserve hate after a certain year. The 60-degree V was just like any other clean-sheet engine- it had a teething period. The original engines that appeared in the X and A-body (that's Citation and Celebrity to you people) were alright people mover engines, but due to a design issue (thanks Powertrain), #4 rod bearing would fail... all. the. fucking. time. As it turned out, it was too small a spring a in the oil pump. Corrected and the 60-degree V became a legendary engine that you could beat the ever-loving fuck out of all day long. Again, though, that reputation was soiled by the unholy abortion of te 3100 and 3400... never go with the lowest bidder on a gasket... ever. Ironically, the 3.6L can trace its roots all the way back to that humble little 2.8L your gramma had in here Celebrity. Another thing I want to touch on with the 2.8L was the stupidity of GM putting it in EVERYTHING. They stuffed it in everything from the Citation to the S10 Blazer. Once you got away from an FWD compact car, the 2.8L lost a fair amount of ballbag. I remember driving a Camaro with a 2.8L thinking "I hope i don't have to pass anyone..." And the Blazer was worse, saddled with a whole bunch more tonnage! So can the hate on the 60.
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| Samurai Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York Total Likes: 1900 likes
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | | Re: Worst automobile engines of all time < Reply # 7 on 3/20/2013 3:37 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by bandi What a stupid list. 2.2s (GM and Chrysler) were fantastic, even if the Chrysler 2.2 sounded like an eggbeater from day one. Things I'd add to the list... going by my experiences in the industry. GM 3.4 DOHC The Quad4 GM 3.1 V6 and all of its variants (Sorry. That's one shit engine.) Mitsubishi 2.6 I-4 (Used in Chrysler stuff in the 80s) GM 301 V8 (Fun if you like bending every single pushrod at least monthly) Whatever the fuck the Isuzu Trooper had. The carbed 1.5 liter I-4 found in the first generation Hyundai Excel (I think it was a Mitsu) Chrysler 2.7 EER V6 (Very premature timing chain failure and cylinder sleeves liked to slip out of their bore) Early Ford 2.0 Zetec (I've replaced about 20 of these) VW 1.8T - Just a slut to do anything on. They seem to last in the mechanical sense, but the little finicky problems between PCV hoses rotting out, sludge from people not driving them hard enough or using the right oil, and accessibility are enough to drive a tech nuts. I have no love for this engine. GM LY7 3.6 V6- We were doing a couple of these a week under warranty because of timing chain failure.
| yeah, the 3.4L DOHC was a fucktacular boat anchor... you had to damn near pull the engine out of the car to change either the alternator or the timing belts. as for the 3.1L MPFI engine, that's one rugged son-of-a-bitch of an engine. We have a friend here named Appleseed. He should work for the auto industry as a torture tester. There are ONLY three engines this kid could NOT blow up. 1)2.2L TBI in a Cavalier, a 3.1L V6 in a early 90's Lumina and a 3.0L V6 in a late 80's, early 90's Taurus. The Pontiac 301!! That, Bandi old sock, is a blast from the past. A friend of mine had one in a 78 Buick LeSabre sedan. Got it so hot going down the interstate one summer day, it locked up and blew every gasket in the engine. No problem. It cooled down, fired back up and lived to fight another day. Gutless, yet rugged! as for the 3.6's, i had not heard about that. I only saw what came through my brother's shop and he got done in September.
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