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Neil T
   
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<Reply # 20 on 3/8/2011 1:55 AM >
|  | | | I am heading to Bokor Hill in Cambodia later this week or next and will hopefully see some other stuff in Kep too. The bullet-strewn Pepper Mansion looks interesting.
All of this a warm-up for Angkor Wat (again).
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Steed
     
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 21 on 3/8/2011 5:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by Neil T
I am heading to Bokor Hill in Cambodia later this week or next and will hopefully see some other stuff in Kep too. The bullet-strewn Pepper Mansion looks interesting.
All of this a warm-up for Angkor Wat (again).
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I'm excited for Bokor Hill. Watch out for trolls.
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nykon
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<Reply # 22 on 3/8/2011 8:57 PM >
| | | | I never even considered exploring whilst in Thailand. There were Police everywhere, and people seemed too inclined to exploit tourists... as inviting as they felt, they still seemed uneasy. Flag getting caught and locked up, you'd probably go down for terrorism charges  .
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kowalski
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<Reply # 23 on 3/8/2011 11:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by nykon
I never even considered exploring whilst in Thailand. There were Police everywhere, and people seemed too inclined to exploit tourists... as inviting as they felt, they still seemed uneasy. Flag getting caught and locked up, you'd probably go down for terrorism charges .
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This is ridiculous. Usually the police could absolutely care less about you because you're a foreigner, and usually everyone else just looks at you like "what is that goofy foreigner doing?" People are exceedingly polite and tolerant of whatever stupid things you decide to do in their country, and if your experience was that everyone tried to exploit you, I can only assume that you must have spent way too much time on Khao San Road etc.
I think people who've been and complain about not being able 'to explore' were just so happy being a tourist that in a country where they could actually just be a tourist they didn't feel the need to bother to 'UE' or whatever it is they do at home. If you come as a tourist, you're going to be uncomfortable the whole time and find a tourist experience wherever you go. If you come with better goals than that in mind, there are plenty of buildings and landscapes out there for you to find and investigate.
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Neil T
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<Reply # 24 on 3/9/2011 3:54 AM >
| | | | No matter how hard I try to blend in, I will always be a tourist when travelling. I've lived in Vietnam my parents are from here and they would never be convinced otherwise.
As much as I don't particularly like the whole backpacker lifestyle, it isn't my decision to make for them where they want to travel to and why. I've had some incredibly awesome times here that have nothing to do with UE. Travel isn't some contest with winners and losers...and neither is UE for that matter.
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cjb
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Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 25 on 3/9/2011 10:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
If you come as a tourist, you're going to be uncomfortable the whole time and find a tourist experience wherever you go. If you come with better goals than that in mind, there are plenty of buildings and landscapes out there for you to find and investigate.
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So when you do tourism in other countries, you don't go there as a tourist ?
Care to explain us your difference from others? You're fluent in Thai ? You don't rely on maps? You don't sleep in hostels/inns/hotels/ whatever ? You drive your own car ? You didn't fly 20 hours of plane to get there? You didn't visit wonderful attractions of this wonderful country ?
What did you do then ? You got a job at 2$ a day, working 15 hours 6 days a week, to live the real thai experience ?
The most distasteful tourist is probably the one who thinks he's not one. He looks at other foreigners with discust, convinced of his greater role and authenticity.
Judging by your usual arrogance and lack respect for other people, I'm not surprised at all.
come down a bit, you're not better. You're just another farang. Thai people don't consider you more than they like me or others.
Sure in your mind you are the best, but we all knew that, didn't we ??!
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kowalski
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<Reply # 26 on 3/10/2011 12:30 AM >
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Judging by your usual arrogance and lack respect for other people, I'm not surprised at all.
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It's advice, buddy. You can take it or leave it, I don't care. All I'm saying is that once again the UER Common Wisdom about a place is thoroughly mistaken, and I'm giving my assessment of why that's probably the case. I'm not representing as anything other than a farang, I don't speak Thai, etc etc. But I didn't come to sample whiskey with snakes in it, to go to every temple on the map or to impose myself on hill tribe villages. I came with a curiosity for the built landscape here, and it has been rewarded.
Somehow, despite all the UER assertions that it's impossible or that there's nothing to see, there's plenty to see thank you. Some required a Thai speaker with me, but I walked into other places with no one with me and made out just fine. You see and find exactly what you want to see and find.
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cjb
location:
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 27 on 3/10/2011 3:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
It's advice, buddy. You can take it or leave it, I don't care. All I'm saying is that once again the UER Common Wisdom about a place is thoroughly mistaken, and I'm giving my assessment of why that's probably the case. I'm not representing as anything other than a farang, I don't speak Thai, etc etc. But I didn't come to sample whiskey with snakes in it, to go to every temple on the map or to impose myself on hill tribe villages. I came with a curiosity for the built landscape here, and it has been rewarded.
Somehow, despite all the UER assertions that it's impossible or that there's nothing to see, there's plenty to see thank you. Some required a Thai speaker with me, but I walked into other places with no one with me and made out just fine. You see and find exactly what you want to see and find.
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As quoted before, none of those locations seem to be from Bangkok. The OP asked for locations in Bangkok.
The first location with hills behind, is nowhere close to Bangkok as it is flat land for miles and miles.
If someone pretends there's not much in Ottawa, are you going to insult him showing pictures of a paper mill in Thunder Bay ?
As for the 2 other pictures, they show flooded areas, which could be basically anything, anywhere. You found an abandoned shed in the middle of a flooded zone, nice, good job, but I don't find that too appealing.
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cjb
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Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 28 on 3/10/2011 3:11 AM >
| | | | As for the OP, the nicest locations in Bangkok are possibly the few abandoned skyscrapers left from the 1997 financial crisis.
Be aware that these locations are unsafe and not very interesting, whatever Kowalski may think.
floors after floors of empty concrete, shady people living on the first few floors.
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kowalski
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<Reply # 29 on 3/10/2011 11:54 AM >
| | | | Posted by cjb
As quoted before, none of those locations seem to be from Bangkok. The OP asked for locations in Bangkok. |
Which is why I guess everyone in the thread is talking about Angkor Wat.
As for the 2 other pictures, they show flooded areas, which could be basically anything, anywhere. You found an abandoned shed in the middle of a flooded zone, nice, good job, but I don't find that too appealing.
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Sorry kid, #2 is not #3. #3 is in 'Greater Bangkok'.
| As for the OP, the nicest locations in Bangkok are possibly the few abandoned skyscrapers left from the 1997 financial crisis. |
I still love the idea that someone could take one of the world's great conurbations, and say that the only places there worth 'urban exploring', or whatever it is that this site is about, are a few unfinished condo towers that are 'too dangerous' to visit anyway. Y'all are cute.
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cjb
location:
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 30 on 3/10/2011 1:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
Which is why I guess everyone in the thread is talking about Angkor Wat.
Sorry kid, #2 is not #3. #3 is in 'Greater Bangkok'.
I still love the idea that someone could take one of the world's great conurbations, and say that the only places there worth 'urban exploring', or whatever it is that this site is about, are a few unfinished condo towers that are 'too dangerous' to visit anyway. Y'all are cute.
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ok great master, unless, you have something better to show us than a flooded plain or an abandoned shed, I would call you an epic fail.
it's so funny when people here get pretentious about the buildings they 'found'.
I laughed. 'Eyh Kid, I found this shed'.
Like everywhere, there is obviously something to explore. Yes there are a few abandoned buildings here and there. Even some never opened skytrain stations,but none of them very apealing.
It all goes back to your definition of exploration. Getting lost for hours walking in random streets is exploration for some. For others, exploration is infiltrating high risk locations to get an adrenalin boost.
Finally, for some exploration is taking HDR shots of the abandoned barn down the street.
But saying there is a lot to explore in Bangkok, I understand better where you got your 'real thai experience'. Better stop that opium.
Also, denying the danger of police force like you did is very stupid.
My brother lives in Thailand (whoa not a tourist!), and like every Thai people he will be the first to tell you to avoid Thai police. They are corrupted to the bones, will not hesitate to ask you money to keep you out of trouble and will not hesitate to confiscate your passport if you refuse to cooperate.
You obviously never had any experience with police there.
Please stop pretending you are some hardcore-don't-give-a-fuck-extreme explorer. You're just some guy walking around Thailand with a camera who showed us shots of a flooded plain and an empty shed. What have you proved? That you were a pretentious ignorant asshole? We already knew that.
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Steed
location:
Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 31 on 3/10/2011 3:22 PM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
It's advice, buddy. You can take it or leave it, I don't care.
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No, it's criticism and disapproval. Of pretty well the same thing you do. "Oh look at me, I go to foreign countries and sneak into places I'm not allowed, but I do it with MEANING!"
Kowalski doesn't offer help out of principle; he offers gloom and crying into pillows.
Anyway, to everyone else: he said we can leave it and he won't care! Yay!
PS) You can contact him if you want to look at the outside of an abandoned building and some sort of water treatment facility, but he will probably snub you to remind everyone how l33t he is.
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cjb
location:
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 32 on 3/11/2011 1:03 AM >
| | | | Why you should not listen to kowalski, unless you are foolish.
This is not a military base. This is an abandoned port wharf. This is a common 'No tresspasing' sign in many south east asian countries.
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kowalski
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<Reply # 33 on 3/12/2011 1:39 AM >
| | | | Posted by cjb
But saying there is a lot to explore in Bangkok, |
It always amazes me that the people who cry loudest about what I write are the ones that spend the most time trying to limit the possible.
Here is what you need to 'explore' in Bangkok, or anywhere else in Thailand: 1) Time, 2) Courage, 3) Mobility. If you're just there briefly as a tourist, yes, it will be very difficult, because the opportunity cost of trying to find anything, let alone understand it, will be too great relative to the amount of time you have there. But if you go there to find something interesting, and you devote the time and resources necessary to do so, you will be rewarded just as you would be anywhere.
Also, denying the danger of police force like you did is very stupid.
My brother lives in Thailand (whoa not a tourist!), and like every Thai people he will be the first to tell you to avoid Thai police. They are corrupted to the bones, will not hesitate to ask you money to keep you out of trouble |
Yes, you don't want to have dealings with the police, just as you don't want to have dealings with the police in North America. The difference here is that the police in Thailand are usually too busy extorting money from passing (mostly Thai) motorists to give a fuck what some white person is doing walking around and into places.
That I don't need to bother giving you the time of day. I already knew that, but I had forgotten.
Oh yeah, and that you apparently have no idea how to read a photograph. Also good to know.
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Steed
location:
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Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 34 on 3/12/2011 3:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by kowalski
It always amazes me that the people who cry loudest about what I write are the ones that spend the most time trying to limit the possible.
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Limit the possible, what a hero you are. It's amazing that the guy who's trying to say "anything's possible" does it by reminding everyone how superior he is to them and posting mediocre pictures like they're the greatest pinnacle of man. If you want a dick-measuring contest, go find yourself a kathoey, and leave it off UER.
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Neil T
location:
Toronto
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 35 on 3/12/2011 5:16 AM >
| | | | I find it ironic that the person telling us to be more than a stupid tourist is the same one pulling out the foreigner white card as soon as things go bad.
I've been travelling for two months and I visit tourist sites all the time. You can't be in intense UE mode all the time. Furthermore, exploring abandoned sites, smashing rooftops, helipads, etc. typically doesn't tell you fuck all about the places you are visiting. So by doing excessive UE while travelling, I would argue that you learn much less about a culture than if you were a tourist visiting "the sites".
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cjb
location:
Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 36 on 3/12/2011 9:05 PM >
| | | | Is this guy for real ?
Things you need to know about kowalski:
- When he travels to other countries, he's not a tourist.
- He knows better how to behave in other countries, because, you know, well, he is kowalski
- If he has trouble with police tough, he will instantly use his white person status to stay out of trouble
- He knows how to read shitty, unclear pictures better than anyone
- He posts pictures of small abandoned sheds as great UE discoveries
- When people ask for advices, he will not help them, but turn them down to show them how much a low-life, pretentious lonely looser he is.
- He has sand in his vagina.
I couldn't be more disgusted by your attitude and your hypocrisy.
As much as you like to turn down UER users, you are the icon of everything wrong about this community.
You will never help anyone and you are on constant PMS. You are the typical low-life who does UE to give himself the pride and esteem he never had.
You don't do it for fun, you do it to show others how good you are. You probably had rough times growing up, never had much talent, and at some point you realised you could take pictures of abandoned buildings, post them on internet and tell people how better you are at creating 'artwork'.
As such, I don't consider you an explorer. You simply try to boost your ego through this. You don't do it for fun.
You believe you are on some kind of mission.
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navik
location:
Kiel, Germany
| | | Re: Fellow explorers in Bangkok?
<Reply # 37 on 5/14/2011 12:29 PM >
| | | | There are many abandoned buildings built or half-built from the 90s in Bangkok and some of them seem to be quite interesting, maybe better from outside... (depends on your aesthetic view of course). And though the Sathorn-Unique looks almost the same every floor, the roof must be very attractive.
This very good designed website shows some of them:
www.lost-bangkok.de
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