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Jester
  
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<Reply # 200 on 11/19/2003 4:02 PM >
|  | | | If you have a grappling hook made of tin it would bend and break... I make them out of steel hooks which have weight ratings. Cheap ones you see online are usually pretty much garbage and I wouldn't trust on a climb, but some more *pro* higher priced ones would be good i'm sure. I have had great success with my design and will stick with it since they work and cost me about $10 to make one...
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Willow
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Chilliwack B.C.
Gender: Male
A light in the darkness?!?... Damnit MaxQ turn that off
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<Reply # 201 on 11/22/2003 10:18 PM >
| | | | you know i found hooks that were factory garunteed for up to 100 ibs each (i think after 100 pounds they would pull out of the wall rather then bend, they are decent sized hooks) and a 75 foot poly-nylon weave rope from canadian-tire that was tested for up to 1600 pounds. not bad for 20$ and 20 min to put together.
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Macsbug
Noble Donor
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St. Paul, MN
Gender: Male
Safety First!
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<Reply # 202 on 11/23/2003 12:44 AM >
|  | | | Posted by Willow
you know i found hooks that were factory garunteed for up to 100 ibs each (i think after 100 pounds they would pull out of the wall rather then bend, they are decent sized hooks) and a 75 foot poly-nylon weave rope from canadian-tire that was tested for up to 1600 pounds. not bad for 20$ and 20 min to put together.
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100 lbs.? Are you really anerexic or something? If it was rated to 100, I wouldnt personally trust it unless I was 90 lbs. or less. You didnt mean 1000 lbs. or something like that did you.
Be carefull there...
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Willow
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Chilliwack B.C.
Gender: Male
A light in the darkness?!?... Damnit MaxQ turn that off
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<Reply # 203 on 11/23/2003 12:49 AM >
| | | | nah I used more then one hook so it should hold ATLEAST 200 pounds and the steel in them is fairly thick so I think it should hold quite a bit more... but I'm not stupid, I'm going to test it well before I get on it, i just need to find a rather large tree.
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Ryzom
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Piedmont, CA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 204 on 12/11/2003 11:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by Willow
you know i found hooks that were factory garunteed for up to 100 ibs each (i think after 100 pounds they would pull out of the wall rather then bend, they are decent sized hooks) and a 75 foot poly-nylon weave rope from canadian-tire that was tested for up to 1600 pounds. not bad for 20$ and 20 min to put together.
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Just curious is there a site you can order it from? Cause the hooks I got only guranteed 50 lbs each so i bought 4 of them. They were cheap anyway but I haven't found someone with welding stuff to weld them together (I also don't trust duct tape THAT much)
I bought some paracord though holds 400 lbs so im set there, but I can't find good hooks. My home depot is being lame.
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Willow
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Chilliwack B.C.
Gender: Male
A light in the darkness?!?... Damnit MaxQ turn that off
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<Reply # 205 on 12/12/2003 1:33 AM >
| | | | im not sure if you can order them online but just try like a revy or home depo or something like that, i would think that ususally the weight catagory can be for the ammount it holds before it pulls out of the wall as opposed to bending....try the hooks you have and just put a hell of a lot of weight on them before using them yourself...see if they give 
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Heartless
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Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 206 on 12/26/2003 2:41 AM >
| | | | Not sure if anyone mentioned this already (just cruised from first to last page); but for safety reasons on high climbs, actual climbing rope is key. That stuff is fairly lightweight and strong enough to hold up a car. Only problem is the bright color almost got me F***ED one time. And if you want to spend a few bucks on the side of safety, a good pair of ascenders can also make the trip easier. They have handles and grip the rope, allowing one to slide them up but not down; so its like climbing a ladder. There is also a knot one can tie around the rope with a seperate piece that works in a similar fashion but is way too complicated to describe. A piece of rappelling equipment, should you have to return via the same route (i forget the name) which is simply a big loop and a small one that you attach to your harness, easy to use and cheap to buy if you know where to look.
As for securing such a rope, the method I saw described as having a carabiner on the end so it would swing around and grab the rope works, but not always. You still need something to wrap the rope around, which sucks if youre trying to get on a rooftop. Taking the clip part out helps the biner grab, as long as tensions is kept on the rope. If it's low enough some home stores sell fire escape ladders designed to hold on window sills etc, never tried using one but in theory if you could throw the catch end to a second story window you'd be home free.
There really isn't a good reliable way to secure a rope to the top of something you want to climb without having previously been to the top, this is where lead climbing comes in. While lead climbing, you secure the rope to points along the way up, and this can be difficult or even impossible in some urban situations. If there are cracks, you can anchor leads (another piece of climbing eqipment) that stick in to the wall. Other than that, if it's a short climb some of the grappling hooks I've seen described here sound allright, I've never used one myself.
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Ryzom
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Piedmont, CA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 207 on 12/27/2003 12:17 AM >
| | | | mmm I just made the hook for the Grappling hook, can't use it for a while though since i managed to break my ankle.
Few questions though, first of all Heartless you mentioned good climbing rope? Is there any good climbing rope that isn't horribly expensive? I bought some stuff from home depot that is bright and multi colored and real real slippery.
Also what about getting down? I don't really do proffesional climbing and such so I don't have all those biners and harnesses and such and that stuff is expensive. But how do i get my hook down when going down the same way? I don't want to sacrifice the hook.
Thanks!
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ednothing
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<Reply # 208 on 12/27/2003 4:10 PM >
| | | | ok...
go to http://www.actiongear.com and search for grappling hook.
they carry this: 
and here's the description:
Rated at 1650 lbs. and only weighing 1.6 pounds, 8.5" tall and 4"inches wide when folded, it fits easily into a military canteen pouch.
price is $119.00 USD
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RadEd
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<Reply # 209 on 12/28/2003 11:42 PM >
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Heartless
location:
Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 210 on 12/29/2003 8:52 PM >
| | | | Few questions though, first of all Heartless you mentioned good climbing rope? Is there any good climbing rope that isn't horribly expensive? I bought some stuff from home depot that is bright and multi colored and real real slippery.
Also what about getting down? I don't really do proffesional climbing and such so I don't have all those biners and harnesses and such and that stuff is expensive. But how do i get my hook down when going down the same way? I don't want to sacrifice the hook. |
Climbing rope can be purchased just about anywhere, try searching online. It it usually possible to find decent rope for a decent price. I've had mine for years, don't even remember how much it cost when I got it but I don't remember it being too expensive (and I'm a cheapass). Usually though, rope that comes from places like the above mentioned Home Depot can work; but if it's not cotton rope its that nylon shit that is impossible to grip and burns your hands. Climbing rope actually has kind of like a woven bungee core wrapped in woven something else so its super strong, slightly stretchable so you dont rip your arms off if you fall and catch it hard, and easy to grip even with bare hands.
As for rappelling, used harnesses and equipment can be purchased cheap at places like eBay, but just be careful to inspect all the stictching and such before using it.
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Heartless
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Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 211 on 12/29/2003 9:00 PM >
| | | | Ok, I just got the second part of your question. Once one guy is up, anchor the rope at the bottom, wrap it around something up top and send it back down. Use that part to rappell down, and have someone at the bottom ready to pull on it hard to belay you if you fall (taking slack out of the rope being used for the rappell with slow or stop its movement through the (still cant remember the name) rings, thus saving your ass.
Then, once everyone's down, simply pull the rope back down, untie the bottom anchor, salute the wall, and go home.
I don't reccommend rappelling off of something using such an unreliable anchor as a homemade grappling hook.
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Jester
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Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 212 on 12/29/2003 9:14 PM >
| | | | Posted by Heartless
I don't reccommend rappelling off of something using such an unreliable anchor as a homemade grappling hook.
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I don't suggest using a grappling hook for great heights where rappelling properly would be best. But just saying not to use a grapple, you might as well say don't go in drains (you might slip and drown) because both have their risks...
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Heartless
location:
Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 213 on 12/30/2003 1:09 AM >
| | | | Posted by Jester
Posted by Heartless
I don't reccommend rappelling off of something using such an unreliable anchor as a homemade grappling hook.
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I don't suggest using a grappling hook for great heights where rappelling properly would be best. But just saying not to use a grapple, you might as well say don't go in drains (you might slip and drown) because both have their risks...
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I never said don't use a grappling hook at all, in fact I could care less. For an initial climb necessary to set a proper anchor it's a fine and dandy thing to use. But grappling hooks, like the biner on the end of the rope idea discussed earlier, require constant downward tension on the rope in order to remain sturdily in place. Thus, for rappelling, it is not a good idea for the following reason: The tension placed by one on a rope while rappelling is jerky, inconsistent, and comprised of your body weight plus downward momentum; making it more likely for a grappling hook to lose its grip or wedge itself free. This does happen, albeit not often. Just safer to do it properly; rappelling in itself is dangerous and shouldn't be done off of high structures without prior experience. Your reference to the unsafe environment of drains isn't even in the same category as dangling high up in the air by ropes and homemade eqipment.
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<Reply # 214 on 12/30/2003 1:19 AM >
| | | | Heartless makes a excelent point. Rappeling is damn fun but it takes more then a rope a figure 8 and a harness to do it safely. Normally I check all my gear. That means feeling every inch of that rope for inconsistantces etc. Tossing a grappleing hook 1-2 (maybe three if your damn good) and climbing harolds a lot less danger. Primarily due to the fact if you add weight it most likely will et go on the start of your climb saving you from undue fall.
Both of you make good points however we must remeber sometimes using equipment for what its not intended is a BAD!!! thing.
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Heartless
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Dakota Territory
Gender: Male
nowhere is a state of mind
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<Reply # 215 on 12/30/2003 1:50 AM >
| | | | !!! Figure 8 !!! That's the name of the little bastard things, I couldn't remember for the life of me. You saved my sanity, Mark.
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Jester
location:
Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
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<Reply # 216 on 12/30/2003 8:50 PM >
| | | | Strangely though... the question that was (not) being answered wasn't about all that climbing gear... it was how to get a grappling hook down. I've had no problem getting mine down by unseating it with some "waves" up the rope, and once it's no longer set, a quick pull usually causes it to bounce over the ledge it had hooked on (it normally takes a slow pull to set it, too fast and it bounces over the edge).
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Ryzom
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Piedmont, CA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 217 on 12/31/2003 9:18 AM >
| | | | ... I haven't the faintest clue about how to work any climbing gear. so maybe I will just use the door to get out...
Or be stuck up there until someone finds me... I could say: "I went to bed that night and woke up here, I have no clue where this grappling hook came from..."
eh I will see if I can teach myself when the time comes. Thanks for the advice Heartless!
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Willow
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Chilliwack B.C.
Gender: Male
A light in the darkness?!?... Damnit MaxQ turn that off
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<Reply # 218 on 1/3/2004 12:09 AM >
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Climbing rope can be purchased just about anywhere, try searching online. It it usually possible to find decent rope for a decent price. |
uhh I found 75feet of nylon rope good for up to 1600 pounds at a canadian tire for around 17$ with tax...its light as hell and strong too, It should hold any one single UE'er
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MacGyver
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<Reply # 219 on 1/3/2004 3:44 AM >
| | | | be careful what you're getting into. Real climbing ropes are tested and designed to perform flawlessly in climbing environments. Even if a rope designed for sailing or towing a car is rated to be much stronger than you need, remember that ropes not designed to bear human cargo are not necessarily tested to the highest of quality control standsrds. In other words, there's no way of being sure you don't have a dud or a defective rope that might fail in some way when you are hanging your life from it. As much as they cost, I still recommend using real climbing rope whenever you have to put someone's life on the line (literally  ).
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