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Zippo
   
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upstate south carolina
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< on 8/5/2009 10:52 PM >
|  | | | In general is the Database more of an asset or a niussance way of drawing too much attention to a place? I've wondered why so many regional threads are basically a collection of bandwidth consuming photos and a short story of someone's experience in a recent undisclosed site while the photoalbum and journal feature for so many database sites is barely used. IDK, is it better to add pics to a location page or link to a photo hosting site and can you add a location discreetly without giving out the official name and location in the form?
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PhotoSeeker
  
location:
Sudbury
Gender: Male
MikeOnline
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<Reply # 1 on 8/5/2009 11:05 PM >
| | | | You're likely to get as many different answers to this question as there are members on the site. (not to mention the usual off-color, albeit sometimes humourous comments that have little to no bearing on the question at all).
My impression, in the time I've been on this site, is that exploration is only part of the formula. Explorers are, by their very nature, also story-tellers.
While I hesitate to place us in the same class, can you imagine Amerigo, or Cartier, or Columbus, or any other famous explorer of the past coming back and being content to rest their feet by the fire, basking in the warm glow of memory?
No, I think they likely revelled in telling the stories of their adventures, vividly recreating (and sometimes embellishing) the details of the places they'd been, the people they'd met, etc.
The database is a permanent record, like marking their discoveries on a map of the world. It's like planting a flag on a virgin land and claiming it in the name of their queen.
In the threads, however, it's more akin to telling stories in the tavern to whoever might listen.
I have no idea who else might agree with this analogy, but it's how I see it.
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Intrinsic
  
location:
Collingwood
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 2 on 8/5/2009 11:18 PM >
| | | | I think it comes down to the ability to receive immediate feedback on the images that you post. For some it is simply to showcase one's photographic skills or to share a location's beauty with likeminded people who can appreciate it. Some just want to share their experiences openly. For others, it is done to provide a sense of self-accomplishment or a need to be validated. We each have our own reasons for doing so.
The database doesn't offer the ability to provide instant feedback (or someone else's story) regarding your photographs, and unless you go looking for an entry (or have the option set to indicate new additions), you may not even notice new photos/locations.
The forums are more of an interactive experience. Without the forums, you would not have such a popular website but rather an image dumping ground. The interactive nature is key to UER's success. They also allow one to share stories and receive feedback or hear similar stories - in a way that the DB cannot provide.
Personally, I'll use the DB for locations that are common knowledge and public.
Locations that are off the beaten path, hidden from public eye and not common knowledge, I'll use the forums. In due time the forum posts will grow stale and become archived and I haven't disclosed the location in the message.
In both cases (database vs forum) it comes down to a personal choice as to whether you wish to disclose the location or not.
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Air
location:
Canada
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<Reply # 3 on 8/6/2009 6:32 PM >
| | | | Posted by Zippo
In general is the Database more of an asset or a niussance way of drawing too much attention to a place? I've wondered why so many regional threads are basically a collection of bandwidth consuming photos and a short story of someone's experience in a recent undisclosed site while the photoalbum and journal feature for so many database sites is barely used. IDK, is it better to add pics to a location page or link to a photo hosting site and can you add a location discreetly without giving out the official name and location in the form?
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Long answer : People suffer from lack of common sense and only want big-ups from the intrawebz. Some here only post location info if they didn't take the time to find the place themselves.
Problem is, its only going to get worse until the lowest common denominator figures out that talking incessantly about a place (like Milbrook jail) will result in it getting shut down (and not just whored out). But then you will miss ALL the threads whining about the closures as well.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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willskith
location:
Boston, MA
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 4 on 8/6/2009 6:45 PM >
| | | | It doesnt matter how you post a location, by bringing attention to it you are destroying it.
http://www.thespec...cal/article/583649
grit your teeth in the face of fear. self repression is the true sign of a coward, toss your inhibitions to the wind. |
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mrvander
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Cedar Rapids/Spirit Lake, IA
Gender: Male
Brick by Brick
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<Reply # 5 on 8/6/2009 6:58 PM >
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My, aren't we generalizing a bit? That's hardly the case for 99% of abandonments on this site.
Go Cubs go! Hey Chicago what do you say... |
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makman
location:
Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
I live alone with a criminal
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<Reply # 6 on 8/6/2009 8:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by Zippo
In general is the Database more of an asset or a niussance way of drawing too much attention to a place? I've wondered why so many regional threads are basically a collection of bandwidth consuming photos and a short story of someone's experience in a recent undisclosed site while the photoalbum and journal feature for so many database sites is barely used. IDK, is it better to add pics to a location page or link to a photo hosting site and can you add a location discreetly without giving out the official name and location in the form?
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I'm a fan of PhotoSeeker's interpretation, of the difference, personally.
As for not posting locations at all, I suppose that comes down to how you view exploring. Personally, once I've been in a place, I'm not terribly concerned about preserving it for myself- I've already seen it. As such, my only motivation is to preserve it for other explorers. That goal is poorly served both by plastering the location everywhere and by sharing it with no one, so I'm glad there's a relatively discrete place (uer.ca), filled with mostly conservationist explorers, that people can share limited details about new locations.
Be careful, not safe.
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WarBird69
location:
Eastern TN
Gender: Male
Atomic Bird of War
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<Reply # 7 on 8/7/2009 1:02 AM >
| | | | As I saw in a different thread, opinions differ far and wide concerning the DB and its uses.
I personally love the DB. It gives me a chance to see places I'll never get a chance to see, or gives me ideas of places to visit if I'm out of my local community. If I find a place on my own, I can check out the DB to see if its there, and if it is, look up any safety equipment I may need (mask because of asbestos, waders because of flooding, etc).
Once I visit a place, I want to share my photos with others to see. What is the fun of taking pictures if I can't share them? If I'm worried about a place receiving lots of negative attention, I'll make the location viewable by full members only, as we "should" be able to trust our full members somewhat as they have shown a passion for this hobby without needlessly causing destruction to locations.
If I'm in a group, and especially if I'm not the "leader" of said group, I'll discuss with everyone how, or if, to share our photos. Should we make a DB entry? Should we just make a forum entry? Should we just wait for this location to be torn down, then share what we've found? There is inevitable risk with any choice we make, but ultimately I will respect the group consensus even if I don't share the same views.
When twilight draws near, when you are pushed to the very limits of your soul, when it seems that all you have left are the dead remnants of the fabric of your life:
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Air
location:
Canada
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<Reply # 8 on 8/7/2009 1:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by WarBird69
I personally love the DB. It gives me a chance to see places I'll never get a chance to see, or gives me ideas of places to visit if I'm out of my local community. If I find a place on my own, I can check out the DB to see if its there, and if it is, look up any safety equipment I may need (mask because of asbestos, waders because of flooding, etc).
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You bring up a good point. but if your halfway around the world and want to see stuff you don't need the address or even the general location. If your not lazy and can do your homework, you can figure out what/where anything is.
But you could bypass that, and get your gear info by contacting explorers directly instead of it being posted. This gets around the god-knows-how -many-people will view the detailed post issue, and it makes one less of an anti-social, freeloading douschebag.
Posted by macman5151
I'm glad there's a relatively discrete place (uer.ca), filled with mostly conservationist explorers, that people can share limited details about new locations.
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Was this sarcastic?
I was in skate shop today and overheard some guys talking about a certain dam overflow tunnel that is always used for shoots in Australia. The terms "heat score" and "I'm not sharing shit on the internet, or with you and your 25 friends" arose, needless to say I was impressed. They were older guys, probabily got burned a few times sharing locations, but yeah.
Oh and they know a good site to find stuff where they don't post anything...UER.CA! Ha!
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Steed
location:
Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 9 on 8/7/2009 1:41 AM >
| | | | Posting photos in a forum is about vanity. Posting in the database is about contributing to the community. Photos do look nicer in the forums, but they stick around longer in the database.
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makman
location:
Rochester, NY
Gender: Male
I live alone with a criminal
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<Reply # 10 on 8/7/2009 5:26 AM >
| | | | Posted by Air 33
Was this sarcastic?
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No. UER ain't perfect, but it's better than posting info in random places on the internet. At least there's some level of vetting here.
It is a personal choice to share or not, but I enjoy contributing back to the community, rather than just letting what I've found go to waste, or disappear with me.
Be careful, not safe.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
location:
Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
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<Reply # 11 on 8/7/2009 8:27 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
Posting photos in a forum is about vanity.
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Probably, but sometimes it's about sharing enthusiasm, and mutual support. I probably would have started and ended my draining career long ago if not for the cheerful people on here.
http://www.longexposure.net |
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Steed
location:
Edmonton/Seoul
Gender: Male
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Race Traitor
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<Reply # 12 on 8/7/2009 9:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by metawaffle
Probably, but sometimes it's about sharing enthusiasm, and mutual support. I probably would have started and ended my draining career long ago if not for the cheerful people on here.
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I didn't mean it in a bad way, necessarily.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
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Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
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<Reply # 13 on 8/7/2009 9:25 AM >
| | | | Posted by racetraitor
I didn't mean it in a bad way, necessarily.
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Actually, I didn't take it in a bad way  Nothing wrong with a bit of vanity!
http://www.longexposure.net |
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Air
location:
Canada
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<Reply # 14 on 8/7/2009 1:18 PM >
| | | | Posted by macman5151
No. UER ain't perfect, but it's better than posting info in random places on the internet. At least there's some level of vetting here.
It is a personal choice to share or not, but I enjoy contributing back to the community, rather than just letting what I've found go to waste, or disappear with me.
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I know lots of people that share on flickr with friends only, that's what I was thinking of.
I have a site myself, but since i got tired of answering lazy people's questions about where/when/who/what in regards to places, most of the stuff on my site is older, going back maybe about 2 years.
there is nothing wrong with sharing, but when you find something yourself after you have spent several hours going and checking the place out, figuring out security and access, looking up info online or at the archive, your not going to put it online for anyone to just read.
"The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist |
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splumer
location:
Cleveland, Ohio
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 15 on 8/12/2009 12:40 PM >
| | | | I think we might be assuming that if it's not posted here, no one knows about it. UER probably represents maybe 5 percent of the UE community, if that, so it's pretty naive to think that if we don't mention it here, no one will find out about a place. When sites are damaged, I'd bet its most often local punks with nothing better to do. The locals always know about locations, and the local kids generally don't care whether or not they have to break in.
I wouldn't post an exact address, but thinking you're hiding a location by not posting it here - forums or DB - is naive in the extreme.
“We are not going to have the kind of cooperation we need if everyone insists on their own narrow version of reality. … the great divide in the world today … is between people who have the courage to listen and those who are convinced that they already know it all.”
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bonnie&clyde
location:
510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
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<Reply # 16 on 8/12/2009 6:11 PM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
I think we might be assuming that if it's not posted here, no one knows about it. UER probably represents maybe 5 percent of the UE community, if that, so it's pretty naive to think that if we don't mention it here, no one will find out about a place. When sites are damaged, I'd bet its most often local punks with nothing better to do. The locals always know about locations, and the local kids generally don't care whether or not they have to break in.
I wouldn't post an exact address, but thinking you're hiding a location by not posting it here - forums or DB - is naive in the extreme.
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I Agree 100%
Clyde
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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junkyard
location:
LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
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<Reply # 17 on 8/14/2009 4:02 PM >
| | | | I find all my places to tag and break stuff on the database. If I do put anything in there, it doesn't get the real name or location. But would be easy enough to find by doing some research, or a maybe a PM. That keeps some of the rif raf out.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
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