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maZe
       
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Manhole mystery: How did dead man take his fatal plunge?
Outremont Death. Passersby find body in early morning
BRETT BUNDALE
The Gazette
Friday, August 01, 2008
The circumstances surrounding the death of a 26-year-old Mont-real man found in an open manhole in Outremont yesterday morning remain unclear, but police aren't ruling anything out.
"Everything is possible," said Montreal Constable Anie Lemieux. "We don't know whether he stumbled accidentally into an open manhole, was pushed in, or removed the manhole cover in search of a lost object then fell in head first."
Forensic experts were called to the scene to investigate the incident, which occurred in an alley between two apartment blocks on Querbes St. just south of Van Horne Ave., near a construction site.
The cause of death will be determined once results from an autopsy are obtained, but the body had no signs of violence that would lead police to believe there was criminal activity involved, Lemieux said.
Neighbours in the area say they heard shouting around 5 a.m., but police only received a call at 7:15 a.m., Lemieux said.
Santaninho Fernandes, who delivers newspapers for The Gazette in the area, said a man approached him between 3:30 and 4:30 a.m.
"He said he thought he saw a hand coming out of the manhole," Fernandes said.
"I looked across the street and I could see that the cover was off the manhole, and there was a cat looking inside. So I said to the guy, 'Why don't you go look?' When he came back over he looked very shaken up and he said something like, 'I think he's dead.' I wasn't sure whether to believe him, so I told him to call 911."
It's possible he fell headfirst but tried to stop his fall with one arm, Constable Lynn Labelle said.
bbundale@thegazette.canwest.com
© The Gazette (Montreal) 2008
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felix
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<Reply # 1 on 8/1/2008 1:39 PM >
| | | | C'est très inquiétant tout ça. Est-ce que quelqu'un pourrais confirmer que ce n'est pas quelqu'un du drainers board?
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micro
 
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Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 2 on 8/1/2008 1:47 PM >
| | | | It's no one from the drainers board. I don't even think there's anything large enough in that area worth exploring. Still shitty news though. I always worry that someone's going to fall into a manhole that we've opened while we're underground. We do our best to secure things, but it's still a concern.
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<Reply # 3 on 8/1/2008 1:51 PM >
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Né d'un père vietnamien et d'une mère québécoise, Olivier Nguyen vivait à Montréal, où habitent aussi sa mère et son frère aîné.
Il était membre de KINO Montréal, un regroupement de réalisateurs de courts métrages.
ça reste un accident triste
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<Reply # 5 on 8/1/2008 9:40 PM >
| | | | ish, chaque fois que je vois une nouvelle comme ça j'ai peur que ce soit quelqu'un du forum.
est-ce que c'est déjà arrivé?
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Sirber
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everything wasn't good
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<Reply # 6 on 8/1/2008 10:41 PM >
| | | | Posted by goldenmoon
ish, chaque fois que je vois une nouvelle comme ça j'ai peur que ce soit quelqu'un du forum.
est-ce que c'est déjà arrivé?
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nel58
 
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yep..something's under..let's check ! (RIP Joséphine ,april 1998-october 2010 )
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<Reply # 7 on 8/2/2008 3:23 AM >
| | | | | Post by felix C'est très inquiétant tout ça. Est-ce que quelqu'un pourrais confirmer que ce n'est pas quelqu'un du drainers board? |
En principe aucun drainer sérieux ne se serait aventuré sous terre avec les orages et les pluies qu'on a eu hier..(Mais on sait que n'importe quoi peut arriver n'importe quand à n'importe qui..)
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Triste et dramatique en effet...tomber tête première laisse penser qu'il s'étirait pour chercher quelque chose car d'après le genre de plaque,c'est habituellement un truc pas très creux sans échelons.
Ça fait la deuxième fois qu'un type meure en tombant la tête première..
(Je dois avouer que mes parents ont eu une frousse terrible en entendant cette nouvelle et était vachement soulagés de me parler ce matin !)
Cherchait-il un nouveau sujet "cool" pour un futur court-métrage ? Ou avait-il échappé ses clés ?
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Sirber
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everything wasn't good
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<Reply # 8 on 8/2/2008 3:40 AM >
| | | | probablement sous influence de X substances....
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vassili
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 9 on 8/13/2008 1:10 AM >
| | | | Posted by micro
I always worry that someone's going to fall into a manhole that we've opened while we're underground. We do our best to secure things, but it's still a concern.
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I don't get it, you don't close the manhole after the last person got into ?
Or maybe you've got to use SRT in the absence of rungs ?
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metawaffle
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<Reply # 10 on 8/13/2008 1:33 AM >
| | | | Posted by vassili
I don't get it, you don't close the manhole after the last person got into ?
Or maybe you've got to use SRT in the absence of rungs ?
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If the cover was exceedingly heavy, I guess you'd need to leave it open (and pray nobody closed it on you).
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nel58
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montreal (st-henri) Qc
Gender: Female
yep..something's under..let's check ! (RIP Joséphine ,april 1998-october 2010 )
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<Reply # 11 on 8/13/2008 1:45 AM >
| | | | Manholes here are very hard to close from under because of the weight,the way they are bumpy under and because of a security grate tied inside by a chain that comes between the lids and the rungs which make an important obstacle so it's almost impossible to open from below or even to reach the cover..So we use a hardy false cover to close it (a car could pass on it) easy enough to lift from under so we can put the security grid in place. And we always choose manholes that are completely out of the way.And we make sure that the replacement cover is impossible or at least difficult to lift from above.
They usually have rungs but it happened few times ( like today) where the rungs broke under our feet like tiny pieces of dry wood !  Scary !
Those that have no rungs are in the middle of the drain ceiling but the water level is often so high and the current usually quite important,it would be hard to rappel down and not being pulled away before landing I think..but forget it they are in the middle of the streets anyway !
C'est vraiment différent de Paris.Ou de Londres ( où ce sont souvent des trappes assez faciles à ouvrir et à refermer,dessus comme dessous)
Ça répond à ta question ?
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vassili
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Montreal, St-Henri (des Tanneries)
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 12 on 8/13/2008 5:15 PM >
| | | | Posted by nel58
And we make sure that the replacement cover is impossible or at least difficult to lift from above. |
Why so ? More difficult to lift than the original one ? The "tortoise" covers in France are still very heavy to lift.
C'est vraiment différent de Paris.Ou de Londres ( où ce sont souvent des trappes assez faciles à ouvrir et à refermer,dessus comme dessous)
Ça répond à ta question ?
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Oui, je me demandais justement les différences entre les regards de chaussée européens dont j'ai l'habitude et les nord-américains. Merci
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 13 on 8/13/2008 5:36 PM >
| | | | Another thing that poses a problem here is that there's usually a secondary safety lid containing two cross bars sitting a few inches beneath the main lid. When both of these things are in place, it makes it impossible to use your back to get things open again from underneath. Unfortunately this second piece is usually chained to the side of the chamber so there's no quick way of getting rid of it. We're usually forced to put it back into its original position and hope that no one comes by and puts the original lid back on top of it while we're still underground.
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vassili
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Montreal, St-Henri (des Tanneries)
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 14 on 8/13/2008 6:02 PM >
| | | | Posted by micro
it makes it impossible to use your back to get things open again from underneath.
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Some of us from Paris use their foots to open the lid from the well, but I guess it wouldn't work here from the description of difficulty you gave to me.
Gritty you are
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micro
Gender: Male
Slowly I turned
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<Reply # 15 on 8/13/2008 6:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by vassili
Some of us from Paris use their foots to open the lid from the well, but I guess it wouldn't work here from the description of difficulty you gave to me.
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Yeah, actually.. I keep meaning to try that technique. I think there'd probably be enough space in between the crossbars to get my legs through. I also figure it'd be a good thing to know how to do in the off chance that something does get closed on us or if we need to be able an emergency exit somewhere else.
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controleman
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Montreal
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 16 on 8/13/2008 6:19 PM >
| | | | Sa serait top d'apprendre cette technique au cas qu'un truc du genre arrive!
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vassili
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Montreal, St-Henri (des Tanneries)
Gender: Male
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<Reply # 17 on 8/13/2008 6:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by controleman
Sa serait top d'apprendre cette technique au cas qu'un truc du genre arrive!
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En gros : on s'accroche en passant le bras derrière les derniers échelons, et on se retourne On peut s'assurer sur un échelon avec une longe pour les premières fois et/ou si on frise le coma éthylique.
Je n'ai jamais été filmé ni filmé en train d'ouvrir avec le pied (ça doit se faire assez vite pour ne pas griller la plaque), mais je l'ai déjà vu (rapidement) montrée dans un reportage, pour ceux qui on le courage de regarder jusqu'au bout, c'est à la toute fin :
http://catacombes....atacombes13eme.wmv
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spacewil
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 18 on 8/13/2008 7:13 PM >
| | | | Il y a aussi une belle demo de cette technique dans les premieres scenes du tres fameux 52 sur la une...
Dispo sur demande.
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nel58
location:
montreal (st-henri) Qc
Gender: Female
yep..something's under..let's check ! (RIP Joséphine ,april 1998-october 2010 )
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<Reply # 19 on 8/14/2008 1:19 AM >
| | | | Le problème c'est que parfois la grille de sécurité est loin de la plaque donc ça enléve toute force de jambes puisqu'elles seraient trop allongées pour pousser efficacement.(Je l'ai vu faire plusieurs fois dans les catas..) et aussi,il arrive souvent que le dernier échelon ( ou le premier) soit très loin .
Et pousser avec le dos sur la bosse qu'il y a dessous la plaque,c'est souffrant !
Mais il y a quand même quelques rares plaques soulevables.Celles qui sont grillagées et plates mais habituellement elles sont utilisées sur les bouches qui ne ménebt qu'à de minuscules tuyaux
Post by vassili
Posted by nel58
And we make sure that the replacement cover is impossible or at least difficult to lift from above.
Why so ? More difficult to lift than the original one ? The "tortoise" covers in France are still very heavy to lift.
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Je réexplique...la faussse plaque est légère mais comme il n'y a pas de trous,personne ne peut facilement s'amuser sur le dessus à l'enlever pour,par exemple,remettre la plaque originale .C'est ce que je voulais dire ..
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