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selectohh
  
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< on 5/8/2008 6:40 PM >
|  | | | bonjour a tous,
je voulais savoir si qqun a un lien pour les lois au quebec pour le <trespassing> et non breaking+entering. j'ai trouvé cela - http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post7
ce qui parle un peu de ca mais j'aimerait plus d'infos.
je veut savoir si on est trouvé coupable pour cela, si on aurat un dossier criminel, et ca t'empecherait de travailler comme prof ou de travailler pour le gouv.
aussi, si vous avez des experiences avec la police/securité, svp j'aimerait les savoir. les lois qu'il m'interesse c'est plus pour des edifices abandonnés et aussi pour des places comme les <turcot yards>.
merci
hi everyone, i'm looking for info on trespassing in quebec, what is the law, and what can someone realistically expect to come from being "convicted" for trespassing. i'm interested in the laws for abandonned buildings (no breaking).
i'm specifically interested in whether a charge of trespassing will give you a "criminal record" and whether that would keep you from teaching or working for the govt.
thanks for any/all help, i'm sure this has been asked before but i searched pretty hard and didn't find much (for Quebec)
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maZe
     
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| |  |  | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 1 on 5/8/2008 7:54 PM >
|  | | | Parce que je vous aime.
D'une part, il s'agit ici toutes d'offenses criminelles qui relèvent du code criminel du Canada et non du code civil du Québec.
Quelques articles du Code criminel du Canada qui pourraient être intéressants de connaître, disons :
DEFENCE OF PERSONAL PROPERTY
... / Assault by trespasser.
38. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a personal property, and every one lawfully assisting him, is justified
(a) in preventing a trespasser from taking it, or
(b) in taking it from a trespasser who has taken it,
if he does not strike or cause bodily harm to the trespasser.
(2) Where a person who is in peaceable possession of personal property lays hands on it, a trespasser who persists in attempting to keep it or take it from him or from any one lawfully assisting him shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation. [R.S. c.C-34, s.38.]
DEFENCE OF DWELLING.
40. Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using as much force as is necessary to prevent any person from forcibly breaking into or forcibly entering the dwelling-house without lawful authority. [R.S. c.C-34, s.40.]
DEFENCE OF HOUSE OR REAL PROPERTY
... / Assault by trespasser.
41. (1) Every one who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, and every one lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority, is justified in using force to prevent any person from trespassing on the dwelling-house or real property, or to remove a trespasser therefrom, if he uses no more force than is necessary.
(2) A trespasser who resists an attempt by a person who is in peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property, or a person lawfully assisting him or acting under his authority to prevent his entry or to remove him, shall be deemed to commit an assault without justification or provocation. [R.S. c.C-34, s.41.]
ASSERTION OF RIGHT TO HOUSE OR REAL PROPERTY
... / Assault in case of lawful entry / Trespasser provoking assault.
42. (1) Every one is justified in peaceably entering a dwelling-house or real property by day to take possession of it if he, or a person under whose authority he acts, is lawfully entitled to possession of it.
(2) Where a person
(a) not having peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property under a claim of right, or
(b) not acting under the authority of a person who has peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property under a claim of right,
assaults a person who is lawfully entitled to possession of it and who is entering it peaceably by day to take possession of it, for the purpose of preventing him from entering, the assault shall be deemed to be without justification or provocation.
(3) Where a person
(a) having peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property under a claim of right, or
(b) acting under the authority of a person who has peaceable possession of a dwelling-house or real property under a claim of right,
assaults any person who is lawfully entitled to possession of it and who is entering it peaceably by day to take possession of it, for the purpose of preventing him from entering, the assault shalled be deemed to be provoked by the person who is entering. [R.S. c.C-34, s.42.]
.../FORCIBLE ENTRY AND DETAINER
Forcible entry
72. (1) A person commits forcible entry when that person enters real property that is in the actual and peaceable possession of another in a manner that is likely to cause a breach of the peace or reasonable apprehension of a breach of the peace.
Matters not material
(1.1) For the purposes of subsection (1), it is immaterial whether or not a person is entitled to enter the real property or whether or not that person has any intention of taking possession of the real property.
Forcible detainer
(2) A person commits forcible detainer when, being in actual possession of real property without colour of right, he detains it in a manner that is likely to cause a breach of the peace or reasonable apprehension of a breach of the peace, against a person who is entitled by law to possession of it.
Questions of law
(3) The questions whether a person is in actual and peaceable possession or is in actual possession without colour of right are questions of law.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 72; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 10; 1992, c. 1, s. 60(F).
Punishment
73. Every person who commits forcible entry or forcible detainer is guilty of
(a) an offence punishable on summary conviction; or
(b) an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 73; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 11; 1992, c. 1, s. 58.
.../TRESSPASSING AT NIGHT
Trespassing at night
177. Every one who, without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on him, loiters or prowls at night on the property of another person near a dwelling-house situated on that property is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 173.
PART IX
OFFENCES AGAINST RIGHTS OF PROPERTY
Interpretation
Definitions
321. In this Part,
“break”
« effraction »
“break” means
(a) to break any part, internal or external, or
(b) to open any thing that is used or intended to be used to close or to cover an internal or external opening;
Breaking and Entering
Breaking and entering with intent, committing offence or breaking out
348. (1) Every one who
(a) breaks and enters a place with intent to commit an indictable offence therein,
(b) breaks and enters a place and commits an indictable offence therein, or
(c) breaks out of a place after
(i) committing an indictable offence therein, or
(ii) entering the place with intent to commit an indictable offence therein,
is guilty
(d) if the offence is committed in relation to a dwelling-house, of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for life, and
(e) if the offence is committed in relation to a place other than a dwelling-house, of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Presumptions
(2) For the purposes of proceedings under this section, evidence that an accused
(a) broke and entered a place or attempted to break and enter a place is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, proof that he broke and entered the place or attempted to do so, as the case may be, with intent to commit an indictable offence therein; or
(b) broke out of a place is, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, proof that he broke out after
(i) committing an indictable offence therein, or
(ii) entering with intent to commit an indictable offence therein.
Definition of “place”
(3) For the purposes of this section and section 351, “place” means
(a) a dwelling-house;
(b) a building or structure or any part thereof, other than a dwelling-house;
(c) a railway vehicle, a vessel, an aircraft or a trailer; or
(d) a pen or an enclosure in which fur-bearing animals are kept in captivity for breeding or commercial purposes.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 348; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 47; 1997, c. 18, s. 20.
Aggravating circumstance — home invasion
348.1 If a person is convicted of an offence under any of subsection 279(2) or sections 343, 346 and 348 in relation to a dwelling-house, the court imposing the sentence on the person shall consider as an aggravating circumstance the fact that the dwelling-house was occupied at the time of the commission of the offence and that the person, in committing the offence,
(a) knew that or was reckless as to whether the dwelling-house was occupied; and
(b) used violence or threats of violence to a person or property.
2002, c. 13, s. 15.
Being unlawfully in dwelling-house
349. (1) Every person who, without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on that person, enters or is in a dwelling-house with intent to commit an indictable offence in it is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years or of an offence punishable on summary conviction.
Presumption
(2) For the purposes of proceedings under this section, evidence that an accused, without lawful excuse, entered or was in a dwelling-house is, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, proof that he entered or was in the dwelling-house with intent to commit an indictable offence therein.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 349; 1997, c. 18, s. 21.
Entrance
350. For the purposes of sections 348 and 349,
(a) a person enters as soon as any part of his body or any part of an instrument that he uses is within any thing that is being entered; and
(b) a person shall be deemed to have broken and entered if
(i) he obtained entrance by a threat or an artifice or by collusion with a person within, or
(ii) he entered without lawful justification or excuse, the proof of which lies on him, by a permanent or temporary opening.
R.S., c. C-34, s. 308.
Possession of break-in instrument
351. (1) Every one who, without lawful excuse, the proof of which lies on him, has in his possession any instrument suitable for the purpose of breaking into any place, motor vehicle, vault or safe under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the instrument has been used or is or was intended to be used for any such purpose, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
Disguise with intent
(2) Every one who, with intent to commit an indictable offence, has his face masked or coloured or is otherwise disguised is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 351; R.S., 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 48.
Kossé ça donne une condamnation au criminel? Généralement (mais c'est à la discrétion du juge de suspendre ce disposition s'il le juge valable), ça donne un dossier criminel (casier judiciaire).
Un casier judiciaire, ça donne que t'as pas le droit d'aller aux States et dans de nombreux autres pays. Ça fait aussi que tu ne pourras (évidemment) pas travailler pour le gouvernement et dans n'importe quel domaine ou tu dois montrer patte blanche (via une enquête de sécurité). C'est le cas dans certaines écoles, oui (privées surtout je pense par contre...).
Y'a pas de lois pour des édifices abandonnés, y'a un code criminel qui s'applique à tous les individus sur le territoire canadien. C'est tout. Y'a par contre la loi militaire et des lois spéciales fédérales sur la sécurité nationales si tu touches à des sites jugés stratégiques pour la sécurité du pays (abandonnés ou non).
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selectohh
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| | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 2 on 5/9/2008 5:05 PM >
| | | | Merci j'appercie ton effort. Ca me fait un peu peur.. disons que etant un nouveau dans le monde de UE c'est vraiment dur a connaitre les vrais risques .. est-ce que il y a beaucoup de monde d'ici qu'ils ont ete pogné avec des charges de <trespassing> a montreal? j'ai vu un gars ici qui etait pogne sur breaking+entering mais ca dl'air qu'ils ont laisse les charges tomber.
je ne sais jamais si le UE est juste de trouver le site et de rentrer vite, ou si il faut vraiment venir a une heure bizarre (disons tot le matin) et vraiment etre absolutement sur que personne te vois rentrer. ok je sais que oui c'est mieux mais est-ce que il faut faire des trucs comme ca tot le dimanche matin ou qqchose ou c'est moins important?
j'ai deja eu deux "close calls", une ou c'etait une place qui etait dans un zone CN ou la police CN a venu comme pas mal toute suite, hereusement on a pas ete capable de rentrer dans le spot, alors rien s'est passe, et un autre ou j'ai rentre dans un spot donc l'entree etait full ouvert depuis une semaine, et 4 heures plus tard l'entree etait fermee dans une facon permanente. ca me fait un peu inquiet que peut-etre je fais ca mal ou bien peut-etre le UE est peut etre pas une bonne idee.
toutes commentaires bienvenus...... merci pour tes infos
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| | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 3 on 5/9/2008 5:27 PM >
| | | | C'est vraiment du cas par cas.
Dépend des proprios.
Dépend si la place est active.
Dépend si la place a de la valeurs.
Dépend si la place a des antécedants de gens qui se sont tuer / blessé.
Dépend de ton attitude envers des gens qui te vois / que tu rencontre.
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Gender: Male
| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 4 on 5/9/2008 6:03 PM >
| | | | Posted by tijeff
C'est vraiment du cas par cas.
Dépend des proprios.
Dépend si la place est active.
Dépend si la place a de la valeurs.
Dépend si la place a des antécedants de gens qui se sont tuer / blessé.
Dépend de ton attitude envers des gens qui te vois / que tu rencontre.
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Tout à fait..
et y'a tous les petits détails aussi.
Les armes a feux(on sait jamais) et armes blanches, les clés 999 ainsi que les kit de lockpicking, les fameuses cacannes de peinture, etc.. ne sont pas bien vus par les policiers.
Si tu te fais prendre sur les lieux, que t'as rien brisé et que t'es seulement armé d'un appareil photo et d'une lampe de poche, t'as théoriquement plus de chance de t'en sortir avec une tape sur les doigts.
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maZe
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Gender: Female
"All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey
| | | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 5 on 5/9/2008 6:04 PM >
| | | | J'ai pas de palmarès de gens que tu veux pas niaiser mais les gardes fédéraux (par exemple Port de Montréal, sites militaires, etc.) et la police du CN, je dierais que ça fait partie de ceux que je préfère éviter disons...
Y'a pas d'heure pour l'explo.
... et pour ajouté sur ce que Koperkic a dit, je sais que c'est cliché et que les gens ne seront pas d'accord avec moi mais de mon expérience perso, plus gros est le kodak et plus nombreuses sont les lentilles, plus facile c'est de convaincre le monde que tu ne faisais que de la photo.
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| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 6 on 5/9/2008 6:05 PM >
| | | | Posted by kopernicZX3
...t'as théoriquement plus de chance de t'en sortir avec une tape sur les doigts.
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Ou avec de la chance pis que c'est ton trip, avec une claque sur les fesses.
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selectohh
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 7 on 5/9/2008 8:47 PM >
| | | | wow merci pour vos avis tlm. ok je sais je suis fatiguant avec les questions, mais est-ce que vous avez entendu les proprios du dow brewery (ETS d'apres ce que j'ai entendu) et le gros <malt plant> ont pris du monde en court?
je me demande, ca doit etre un peu dur de rentrer au malt plant inapercu, a cause du monde constant sur la voie de bicyclette..
a+ et merci a vous tous, vous etes tres gentis les amis. ;)
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mewthree
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Gender: Male
| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 8 on 5/9/2008 9:20 PM >
| | | | Posted by selectohh
vous etes tres gentis les amis. ;)
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What? doesn't Bi-Bi say stuff like that?
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selectohh
location:
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Gender: Male
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<Reply # 9 on 5/9/2008 10:29 PM >
| | | | haha who's bi-bi.
i don't know why but i can't stop calling people "les amis" after i heard some daycare worker calling the kids that.
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<Reply # 10 on 5/10/2008 3:01 AM >
| | | | Mon gros zoom les gardiennes de sécurité qui l'on vue sont tombées sans connaissance en peu de temps. Donc oui Maze c'est vrai qu'avoir un gros équipement de photo ça aide. Mais c'est lourd à trainer.
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mewthree
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Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Gender: Male
| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 11 on 5/10/2008 4:07 AM >
| | | | Posted by selectohh
haha who's bi-bi.
i don't know why but i can't stop calling people "les amis" after i heard some daycare worker calling the kids that.
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yeah i knew it was in that type of context... bi-bi is that green hair thing for kids in french
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maZe
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Gender: Female
"All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey
| | | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 12 on 5/10/2008 5:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by mewthree
yeah i knew it was in that type of context... bi-bi is that green hair thing for kids in french
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"ahahaha, bonjour Geneviève. Ici Bibi Z999444X, je viens de la planète XYZ..."
That thing was freakin scary!
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<Reply # 14 on 5/11/2008 3:38 AM >
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ouache!!
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SPEK Photo
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| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 15 on 5/11/2008 9:58 PM >
| | | | 1 foi g trouvé un shop genre tsé, faque g pété la vitre pour entré mè lol yavè rien là, kom asusual! fak finalement cétè plate en dedans.
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goldenmoon
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| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 16 on 5/12/2008 12:54 AM >
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mhouahahaha les bananes en pyjama
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<Reply # 17 on 5/12/2008 2:00 AM >
| | | | Posted by SPEK Photo
1 foi g trouvé un shop genre tsé, faque g pété la vitre pour entré mè lol yavè rien là, kom asusual! fak finalement cétè plate en dedans.
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Recovery
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Gender: Female
| | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 18 on 5/13/2008 12:07 AM >
| | | | A la fin du jour il faut que tu décides si tu peux vivre avec les conséquences de tes gestes, si jamais tu te fais prendre, pour que le jour où cela arrive, tu ne regrettes rien.
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maZe
location:
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Gender: Female
"All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey
| | | | Re: lois au quebec pour <<trespassing>
<Reply # 19 on 5/13/2008 1:12 AM >
| | | | AH! Les mots magiques!!! Ne rien regretter.
Mon motto dans la vie : NE. RIEN. REGRETTER.
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