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maZe location: Montreal/Moncton/Ottawa Gender: Female "All the world's a stage and most of us are desperately unrehearsed" - Sean O'Casey \| \| \|	Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. < on 6/28/2007 12:40 PM >

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Mutt Moderator location: Bunbury, Western Australia Support your local Funeral Director ----- Drop Dead! \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 1 on 6/28/2007 3:11 PM >

	That interchange takes up too much property and is confusing to drive in if you are not used to it. All men are cremated equal.

micro Gender: Male Slowly I turned \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 2 on 6/28/2007 3:27 PM >

	I'm kind of sad to hear this. Since moving here this past Fall, it's become one of my favourite areas of the city. There's something about it that I find kind of inspiring. It should be interesting to see what they plan on replacing it with and how it'll all come together though.

Charlie_Dunver location: Montreal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 3 on 6/28/2007 4:50 PM >

	Well, it sure does raise some sentiment in me - Turcot yards has been a metaphor for a lot of things for me, but on a personal growth level it is the most significant place in my lifetime, a kind of shrine if you will. They've been talking about going on the ground for years. As many have commented height is not a good thing to lose if you have it - picture Place Ville Marie being torn down to be replaced by an 18 storey tower and you get the idea. Driving it is smoother than most people think, especially if you are doing the recommended speeds . But the off ramp to Laverendrye is a nightmare for sure - if you don't know what you are driving into. But drivers are who they are and it s very hard to imagine the new version will actually be any better - in fact all evidence elsewhere shows that to make it "better" only means making it more complex and, hence, more time consuming to navigate. It will still be jammed during rush hours. The demolition/construction phase will be interesting. Do they have a plan? Or will it be a traffic nightmare for 10 or more years? And what are they going to actually do? A true vision would include aesthetical and sustainability features, but I am not holding my breath for originality - there simply is not much history of such ingenuity anywhere in recent decades. Most critics, myself included, agree that the whole approach to freeway building in urban areas has been very poorly thought out, for example, how will this affect people living in "Les Tanneries"? I hope it is not merely a billion dollar plus investment in peak oil which is horribly mediocre at best and stupid as a long term investment. We shall see.... CD http://neath.wordpress.com

nostra-YOUPPI! Umpire location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 4 on 6/29/2007 12:55 AM >

	there was a traffic engineer on the news saying the turcot is one of the best designed, from a fluidity standpoint, interchanges in the province, considering the amount of traffic traveling it the only time it backs up is when other highways back up on to it. the only odd thing is the ramp from decarie to the ville marie is too big for the traffic it carries Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive

SPEK Photo location: Where you were not. "Chere cachère!" \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 5 on 6/29/2007 1:35 AM >

	I bought the JdeM today just for the cover and the article. The new one won't be as high, but still there will have to be a transition between St-Jacque and the lower rest , you can't just drop down like that and plug everything together. Pour fins d'archives. WWW.EXPLORATIONURBAINE.CA

Charlie_Dunver location: Montreal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 6 on 6/29/2007 4:12 AM >

	I've been saying it was a true source of pride for Quebec engineers at the time it was built. Unfortunately, it was opened just before the Metro and Expo which were totally sexy. I don t think people knew how to respond to an astonishing highway system back then (too confused and nervous getting the "hang" of it) as they certainly still don't. And we live in modern societies that regard urban freeways as some kind of unspoken functional necessity, so the aesthetic notions are non-existent. Douglas Adams began his first Dirk Gently novel by saying that it isn't likely that you will ever read the line, "as pretty as an airport". And he was wrong of course. I coined the phrase, "As Cool AS Turcot", and, no doubt, will also be proven wrong. You are correct, Spek. There is a group in NDG that has proposed having a ramp go into the Falaise and enter the Superhospital from underground, which is an interesting, if not a very "Montreal" type idea, but it would already be making the current layout more complex. And think of the stretch from Decarie to Champlain Bridge - very elevated. Would they actually swoop it downward to cross Turcot? And on it goes..... I can't wait to see some drawings! CD http://neath.wordpress.com

nostra-YOUPPI! Umpire location: Shahre:'on Kaybec Bonsoir et cest partie \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 7 on 6/29/2007 12:56 PM >

	yay, my arguement on layout is settled, according to transports quebec the de la verendrye exit is considered as the provincial part of the bonaventure autoroute back to the turcot interchange, they kept saying last night on TVA that it was built because of clearance issues with boat traffic in the canal. the canal closed in 1960 to transit traffic and at the time the turcot interchange was built it was down to barge and some canaler traffic. the most the largest canalers required was 30 feet clearance. the interchange is so much higher. Montreal Expos 1969-2004 Forever Proud Lets Keep The Dream Alive

cjb location: Sept-îles/Saint-John's/Corner Brooks/Montréal/Sydney Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 8 on 6/29/2007 4:32 PM >

	Cela repond en grande partie a vos questionnements. La longueur totale des bretelles de l'échangeur, inauguré en avril 1967, est de 7,7 kilomètres. À terme, les structures aériennes de l'échangeur Turcot auront été réduites de 65 pour cent. Le projet, qui s'échelonnera de 2009 à 2015, comprend la reconstruction des échangeurs De La Vérendrye, Angrignon et Montréal-Ouest. http://www.magazin...dossiers/index.htm

CyenS Gender: Female \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 9 on 6/30/2007 12:08 AM >

	Je sais qu'ils pensent reconstruire turcot au sol comme ils l'ont faite avec l'avenue du Parc ( que je trouve congestioné depuis ). http://cyens.deviantart.com

Charlie_Dunver location: Montreal Gender: Male \| \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 10 on 7/5/2007 4:26 AM >

	Yea, Nostra, they always talk about the clearance of the canal which wasn't necessary. In those days they were drunk on the spectacular. Putting it on ground level then would have been not just boring but an insult to the capabilities of Quebec engineers. The new plan just looks worse every day. It s as if they are saying we don't really know what to do?!?!?! CD http://neath.wordpress.com

Lynx location: North York Gender: Male :do not cry out or hit the alarm \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 11 on 7/5/2007 6:24 AM >

	Oh no not the old spaghetti road. So many memories as a kid being completely baffled by the turcot interchange. I'll miss it.

micro Gender: Male Slowly I turned \|	Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P. <Reply # 12 on 7/5/2007 3:25 PM >

	From another article that came out today. http://dcnonl.com/article/id23507 "The Highway 20 portion of the interchange will be moved 500 meters north to the Turcot Yard, as will the mainline rail track on it. The construction will also require the expropriation of some residential and commercial properties. The majority of the elevated portions will be replaced with ground-level roads, which will be on six to eight feet high roadbeds, with slopes on the side to be made of recycled material from the demolition. “We are going to be able to develop 100 hectares of land in the future by moving the road and tracks,” said Gilbert. “One of the biggest challenges will be to build a road underneath the existing highway and maintain the traffic flow. Currently we have 165,000-square-metres of structures. When it will be finished, it will be reduced to 55,000-square-metres. “It’s a real challenge to build a new highway in the centre of Montreal,” he added. The new interchange will have approximately 13 km of roads, including exits. But it will not be increased in size to allow for more traffic capacity."

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Re: Bye Bye �changeur Turcot. R.I.P.
<Reply # 13 on 7/5/2007 6:04 PM >

Posted by Charlie_Dunver
Yea, Nostra, they always talk about the clearance of the canal which wasn't necessary. In those days they were drunk on the spectacular. Putting it on ground level then would have been not just boring but an insult to the capabilities of Quebec engineers. The new plan just looks worse every day. It s as if they are saying we don't really know what to do?!?!?!

CD

i was looking at the new plan they talk about added greenspace, but its useless green space like that in the decarie circle!, as for clearance on the canal, the ville st pierre interchange had boats going under it into the 70s but even there why the hell was it built so high!

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