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 Jonno23
   
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
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<Reply # 40 on 3/19/2012 6:35 PM >
|  | | | Umm yeah. Blanket as a burglary tool. I can see a lot of stuff, but this is a hard one to sell.
Climbing over a fence is trespassing. Not burglary.
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
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Beens
 
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 41 on 3/19/2012 6:45 PM >
| | | | Blanket or bolt cutters. One could be considered a burglary tool. Not both.
Also speed is often very necessary when trying to avoid being seen. Sometimes you don't have time to spend balanced on top of a fence trying not to rip your pants. Much easier to use a blanket and climb it quickly, especially helpful in groups.
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Jonno23
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 42 on 3/19/2012 10:10 PM >
| | | | Again, bolt cutters yes. Blanket? no. Going over a fence is trespassing, not burglary. Unless you use the blanket to cut a padlock, or pick a lock to gain entry to a structure. That is burglary.
Continue thread about barb wire now.
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
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bonnie&clyde
  
Location: 510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 44 on 3/20/2012 1:59 AM >
| | | | Posted by Weirdling
It could be in an area with a recent rash of blanket thefts, you'd be a prime suspect.
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Ya, I wouldn't want to take that kind of a chance.
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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Beens
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 45 on 3/20/2012 12:56 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonno23
Again, bolt cutters yes. Blanket? no. Going over a fence is trespassing, not burglary. Unless you use the blanket to cut a padlock, or pick a lock to gain entry to a structure. That is burglary.
Continue thread about barb wire now.
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Ha wasn't clear enough. I agree with you. Blankets are for sleeping and picnics and fences, not burglary.
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MrSivalls
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| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 46 on 3/20/2012 1:24 PM >
| | | | Posted by Jonno23
Umm yeah. Blanket as a burglary tool. I can see a lot of stuff, but this is a hard one to sell.
Climbing over a fence is trespassing. Not burglary.
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Intent is a lot of what the law is about.
I doubt once you breach a fence you're just going to frolic in the grass.
Don't get too clever for your own good, avoid bringing junk you don't need.
Posted by Beens
Also speed is often very necessary when trying to avoid being seen. Sometimes you don't have time to spend balanced on top of a fence trying not to rip your pants. Much easier to use a blanket and climb it quickly, especially helpful in groups.
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Speed isn't the same as stealth.
As for quick entry, go predawn with a plan. Scaling a fence takes a few second with no nothing. Get real.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Beens
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 47 on 3/20/2012 2:58 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrSivalls
Intent is a lot of what the law is about.
I doubt once you breach a fence you're just going to frolic in the grass.
Don't get too clever for your own good, avoid bringing junk you don't need.
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"junk" that increases the likelihood of success isnt "junk"
And if possession of a blanket on the wrong side of a fence makes you seem a thief, then does a blanket on an airplane make you a hijacker?
Speed isn't the same as stealth.
As for quick entry, go predawn with a plan. Scaling a fence takes a few second with no nothing. Get real.
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no shit.
But when you have a short window of opportunity in an open/visible area, speed is necessary. Scaling a sharp fence with backpacks full of gear and/or cameras, etc. is not always a quick thing. As if predawn solves everything.
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bonnie&clyde
Location: 510 & 415
Cleverly disguised as responsible adults
| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 48 on 3/20/2012 3:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by Beens
As if predawn solves everything.
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Pre-dawn hours rule.
The question is not when are we gonna stop, It's who's gonna stop us?
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Jonno23
Location: Phoenix, Az, Sector zz9 Plural Z Alpha
Gender: Male
This space for rent
| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 49 on 3/20/2012 3:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by bonnie&clyde
Pre-dawn hours rule.
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especially on missions.
Blah Blah Blah. Shut up and open the damn door.
"It's ok Officer, I watch a lot of cop shows on tv, so i am practically one of you guys." - sadly, that didn't work.
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DJ Craig
   
Moderator
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
Break the Silence
| |  | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 50 on 3/20/2012 6:14 PM >
| | | | I definitely would lean away from carrying a blanket or carpet. It's just not necessary. MOST barbed wire fences are way easier than you would think. It just takes a little practice. And the rare barbed wire fence that is extremely difficult to climb over, it isn't necessarily even going to be any easier with a carpet or blanket.
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess |
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 51 on 3/20/2012 6:31 PM >
| | | | Just predawn everything.
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toqueman
Location: Saskatoon, SK.
Gender: Male
| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 52 on 3/21/2012 7:32 AM >
| | | | In response to everyone who is saying predawn, unless you want to take pictures during the day, and who knows? You could be, really depends on the location, I guess. But my personal recommendation is to take a weekend off, fuck up your sleep schedule, and perform the entry between 1:30 and 2 AM, then go onsite, noodle around for a few hours, then hit the road by a safe 5 AM, though at the absolute max, if it's an active site, (like my personal favorites of cranes usually are,) then you should get out by no later than 6 AM. Plenty of time to screw around and do what you want. Though if it's an abandoned site, and if you're indoors or underground, I don't think it really matters, just stay for a while. Hell, I took a nap in an abandoned cabin once (possible auxiliary blanket use?) But still, remember the formula: Active Site = In By 2:30 AM, Out By 5:30 AM. I really don't reccomend staying later than that, you still need time to get out. Especially if you really take your time getting back over that fence, though most of the time they're easier to get back out of. Barb wire keeps things out, not necessarily in.
Everything happens for a reason. It's just up to you to figure out that reason. So go ahead. Search for the reason. Now you know it's there. |
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Moderate
Location: Ottawa, ON
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 53 on 3/21/2012 11:47 AM >
| | | | Posted by toqueman
In response to everyone who is saying predawn, unless you want to take pictures during the day, and who knows? You could be, really depends on the location, I guess. But my personal recommendation is to take a weekend off, fuck up your sleep schedule, and perform the entry between 1:30 and 2 AM, then go onsite, noodle around for a few hours, then hit the road by a safe 5 AM, though at the absolute max, if it's an active site, (like my personal favorites of cranes usually are,) then you should get out by no later than 6 AM. Plenty of time to screw around and do what you want. Though if it's an abandoned site, and if you're indoors or underground, I don't think it really matters, just stay for a while. Hell, I took a nap in an abandoned cabin once (possible auxiliary blanket use?) But still, remember the formula: Active Site = In By 2:30 AM, Out By 5:30 AM. I really don't reccomend staying later than that, you still need time to get out. Especially if you really take your time getting back over that fence, though most of the time they're easier to get back out of. Barb wire keeps things out, not necessarily in.
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Best lighting for photos is sunrise & sunset (+/- 1-2 hrs respectively). Also a lot of areas have laws that state that trespassing after dark is considered criminal trespassing, so it means the difference between a fine and getting arrested for trespassing with criminal intent.
That said, I've found that your formula works well when photography isn't a factor and you just want to explore for the sake of exploring.
[last edit 3/21/2012 11:49 AM by Moderate - edited 1 times]
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MrSivalls
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| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 54 on 3/21/2012 2:09 PM >
| | | | Posted by Moderate
Best lighting for photos is sunrise & sunset (+/- 1-2 hrs respectively). Also a lot of areas have laws that state that trespassing after dark is considered criminal trespassing, so it means the difference between a fine and getting arrested for trespassing with criminal intent.
That said, I've found that your formula works well when photography isn't a factor and you just want to explore for the sake of exploring.
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Breaching a fence is considered trespassing in many states no matter what the time.
The use of deadly force is more likely after dark so stay away from houses.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 55 on 3/21/2012 2:59 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrSivalls
Breaching a fence is considered trespassing in many states no matter what the time.
The use of deadly force is more likely after dark so stay away from houses.
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Breaching a fence? This isn't the marines, its urban exploring.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 56 on 3/21/2012 3:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by Played
Breaching a fence? This isn't the marines, its urban exploring.
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And it's serious business.
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Rinzler
Location: New Jersey
Nomad
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 57 on 3/21/2012 6:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by metawaffle
And it's serious business.
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Apparently.
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MrSivalls
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| | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 58 on 3/21/2012 7:27 PM >
| | | | Posted by Played
Breaching a fence? This isn't the marines, its urban exploring.
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A mission is a mission. Breaching rather than hung out to dry. lol.
Your security measures were inadequate.
How unfortunate for you. |
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Beens
Location: Toronto
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Barbed Wire Fences
<Reply # 59 on 3/21/2012 7:37 PM >
| | | | Posted by MrSivalls
A mission is a mission. Breaching rather than hung out to dry. lol.
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fast rope from the blackhawk, breach the fence, extract the lonely chair and patrol to the extraction zone!
Srs Mishunz
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