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UER Forum > Archived Rookie Forum > alarms (Viewed 3407 times)
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 40 on 1/30/2012 5:48 AM >
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I've never dealt with an alarm system when exploring (thankfully), but if I do my rule will be to run, hide and see what happens (unless I'm in the twin cities...then I'd just run).

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 41 on 1/30/2012 1:38 PM >
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Posted by Asher0719
hide and see what happens


I don't advise hiding, it's an unnecessary risk. Once I find out a place is alarmed, via hands-on bad luck, I cross it off my list. Or wait for power outages.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 42 on 2/9/2012 1:26 PM >
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I've set off two alarm systems. One was inside an abandoned school in richmond, ca. Where it was motion sensor, SUPER LOUD, but didn't go anywhere. We stayed by the school for about 30 min, nobody came. Next time we stayed for hours, nobody came. All we had to do was go into the principals office and shut if off

Second time was inside an abandoned ice skating rink. I HAVE to get back in there, might have to take some of the educational advice, we'll see. It went off super loud, but nobody came.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 43 on 2/10/2012 2:25 AM >
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I've gone in a few places where fire alarms were already going off. In these cases, if you really don't think you did it but want to be cautious, you can always find the source. If it's a sprinkler system box you're probably just fine.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 44 on 9/8/2013 4:22 AM >
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 45 on 1/14/2014 12:55 AM >
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I'm brigning up an old tread but I couldn't pass on this occasion to share my experience! I'm studying in installation and maintenance of security systems and i'm getting quite a bit of experience in alarm systems. Over the weekend, we had a flood in our shop at school, the roof drains were frozen and due to the massive amounts of rain we got lately, water found it's way through the roof. Right under the leak, we had a bunch of entire systems (pannel, keypad, sensors, motion detectors, etc) that were setup there on a work bench, being tested. They pretty much got rained on during the entire weekend (it was still leaking when we got there this morning) and surprisingly, none of them stopped working! They were all still armed and functionals. I think we can now be certain that pouring water in the alarm system pannel won't prevent it from doing it's job. It will probably end up damaging it when it will corrode though. Anyway, getting charged for breaking in is already bad enough, you don't want to add equipment damage to that.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 46 on 1/15/2014 3:47 AM >
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Posted by fullraph
I'm brigning up an old tread but I couldn't pass on this occasion to share my experience! I'm studying in installation and maintenance of security systems and i'm getting quite a bit of experience in alarm systems. Over the weekend, we had a flood in our shop at school, the roof drains were frozen and due to the massive amounts of rain we got lately, water found it's way through the roof. Right under the leak, we had a bunch of entire systems (pannel, keypad, sensors, motion detectors, etc) that were setup there on a work bench, being tested. They pretty much got rained on during the entire weekend (it was still leaking when we got there this morning) and surprisingly, none of them stopped working! They were all still armed and functionals. I think we can now be certain that pouring water in the alarm system pannel won't prevent it from doing it's job. It will probably end up damaging it when it will corrode though. Anyway, getting charged for breaking in is already bad enough, you don't want to add equipment damage to that.


So you must be learning all the 'backdoors' in the technology then?

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 47 on 1/15/2014 5:52 PM >
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There are no back doors, secret handshakes or rain dances you can do to bypass a properly installed security system. I have gotten into an alarmed building before. Exterior windows were not alarmed, but the motion detector in the lobby eventually got me. The whole group GTFO real quick.

I used to install systems. I have several systems in my junk box. They are all basically the same. Short out a zone, cut a zone, or tamper with a zone and they'll go off. Even with physical access to the main panel, there's not a whole lot you can do as they're usually set up with a tamper switch as well.

I find it's far better to just avoid places that are alarmed as there's obviously somebody keeping the place up. It's just not worth it.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 48 on 1/15/2014 7:02 PM >
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Other than Vectored Approach, there is a LOT of horrendous advice on this topic. I don't think a single other person accurately posted information. It's amazing how bad of advice people gave thinking it was accurate or reliable.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 49 on 1/15/2014 9:41 PM >
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Depending on the type of sensor and the way they are wired, it is possible to bypass a door/window. But, it is only feasible from the inside. Which would be dumb because you are already in... Other than that, breaking or messing around with other components of the alarm system would only trigger it. And yeah, some pretty shitty advices have been given here, like pouring water in the pannel...

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 50 on 1/16/2014 12:41 AM >
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Just out of curiosity - In theory if you disconnected phone lines/ cellular connections, then cut the power source(s) you'd be fine?

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 51 on 1/16/2014 12:55 AM >
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In theory that would be true as there would be no way for the signal to go out but if they have a cellular connection which many installations have, you would need a jammer (not terribly difficult to make though) which comes with a penalty worse than trespassing, damaging alarm equipment, and everything else you could run into exploring.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 52 on 1/16/2014 12:57 AM >
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In theory that would be true as there would be no way for the signal to go out but if they have a cellular connection which many installations have, you would need a jammer (not terribly difficult to make though) which comes with a penalty worse than trespassing, damaging alarm equipment, and everything else you could run into exploring.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 53 on 1/16/2014 1:43 AM >
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There is more to it. When armed, the system is monitored by the alarm central. If the central loose the contact with the system, it will trigger an alarm. ALso to cut the power to the system you need to do more than just unplugging it. They all have battery that will need to be disconnected inside the pannel which is usualy locked and protected by a tamper switch.
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 54 on 1/16/2014 9:19 PM >
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Contacts:
If properly wired, with their resistor for the loop, window and door (magnetic reed switch) contacts are all but impossible to bypass from inside, outside or wherever. I have messed around with them in the past trying to affect them with strong magnets. There is a magnet in the frame that closes the circuit. If you pass another strong magnet nearby, the fields change and cause the reed switch to open. I couldn't do it with the switch sitting on a table in full view. Couldn't do it attached to an alarm system, or with simply a multimeter so I didn't have the system to reset every time it tripped. Bypass capability: slim to none

Motion sensors:
The older ones are not in common use anymore. The ones you are going to find are dual-tech (microwave and IR). To trip it, you have to have both heat and motion. It's "eye" sees motion by watching for objects to move from one segmented zone to another, kind of like a bug's eye but even lower resolution. Bypass can be done by moving VERY slowly across it's view. I have practiced this on live motion detectors. It's very tough to do. Best method is to totally mask your IR signature by way of placing an object in front of yourself and walking slowly through the field of view. Only real issue is locating the devices prior to stepping in front of them. They're usually installed in a way where that is difficult or impossible. Bypass capability: possible, but required patience and some luck

Other sensors (Sonitrol) could include audio pickup. These are quite sensitive. They will alarm silently if audio is detected beyond a certain threshold. The monitoring company can then listen in remotely to determine what's going on. Bypass capability: Fairly simple. Don't make loud noises. Don't step on things. Walk slowly and stay on carpets if possible.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 55 on 1/16/2014 10:01 PM >
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Traditional no/nc contacts are soooo easy to bypass... Without getting into to much details, shunt switch with propper eolr and it's done! Plus if there is multiple contacts wired on the same zone, it's even easier but you need to have a bit on info in the system. Although, i'm pretty sure one dosen't wanna get caught with a bunch of electronic components...
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 56 on 1/17/2014 6:26 PM >
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Posted by fullraph
Traditional no/nc contacts are soooo easy to bypass...


And you would do this from the outside of a building how? You've been watching too many movies.

There is a resistor in line with the circuit, so it's not so simple to bypass.
Cut the wire, system sees it and instantly alarms.
Add a resistor across the contact, the circuit resistance changes. System sees it and instantly alarms.

And, you have no access to the wires themselves unless you're already inside the building.

If you are already inside the building, you might get away with shorting the zone wires for the internal motion detectors. Of course, you'd have to have enough of a clue about the system components and layout. You'd need at least some basic tools for cutting and stripping wires.

Given the potential issues, any alarmed places are pretty well off my list.

Honesty may be the best policy, but it's important to remember that apparently, by elimination, dishonesty is the second-best policy. -George Carlin (1937 - 2008)
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 57 on 1/17/2014 7:10 PM >
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You didn't read my entire post didn't you? All you do is relate what I already said. I said "it is only feasible from the inside". Also, lot's of places only have perimeter detectors, especialy places that employ security guards. I'm not gonna tell precisely how to bypass a door contact but, if the eolr is on the "c" side all you need is a 1 inch piece of wire, if it's on the "nc or no" you need a second resistor of the propper value and the said piece of wire. Regular household pannels won't detect the micro second it take to change the throw of the contact.
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Re: alarms
<Reply # 58 on 1/17/2014 8:49 PM >
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So just how many times have you successfully accomplished this while out robbing houses? Sorry I mean urban exploring.

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Re: alarms
<Reply # 59 on 1/17/2014 9:05 PM >
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Never, I would never mess around a place that is protected by an alarm... I know that it is possible because i'm studying in Installation and Maintenance of Security systems, I said it in a previous post.

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