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1 2 3 4 5   UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Why I've been gone for so long... (Viewed 7193 times) Speed  Location: Philly area Gender: Male Retired Explorer  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 40 on 4/18/2011 5:22 PM >   Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby i've noticed that reading comprehension isn't a strong suit among a lot of people here. There's truth in that but in the defense of a few I don't always think it's a case of not comprehending as much as replying to threads they haven't read. The Vadder's a smart guy. I know from his many previous posts that he missed Craig's post about not being able to contact the necessary parties I'm in agrreance with fiftyone_eggs here. Even though the police acted like complete assholes in this situation. suing them is a complete waste of time for everyone who was involved. R.I.P. NickSan | R.I.P. Don Corleyone chicken007  Location: South Carolina Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 41 on 4/18/2011 5:57 PM >   Im sorry that happened to you, thats is just crazy and i hope no one else on here ever has anything like it happen to them. geoff5093  Location: New Hampshire Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 42 on 4/18/2011 6:30 PM >   That really sucks man, hopefully either you will slowly get back into exploring or at least find something just as fun to fill your needs. DJ Craig  Moderator Location: Johnson City, TN Gender: Male Break the Silence  |  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 43 on 4/18/2011 6:42 PM >   Posted by 'Raine Wow, if something like this happened to Cantaloopay or Dresden I would have gone apeshit all over those cops! (that's just a Mom thing) AENTUASONTEHUASHTN I wish my parents saw the perspective that most people on here do. My parents actually used to explore WITH me, but now they seem to be blaming this all totally on me, saying I should never have gone to a place like that and have basically forbidden me from ever exploring again... (I'm not going to stop exploring because of them...) They keep talking about the fact that I had had encounters with the police before because of UE and I should have stopped then because this was "bound to happen eventually"... It's just baffling to me that they can take that stance after going to quite a lot of locations WITH me and being so supportive of it for so long. I hosted the second Mid-Atlantic Urban Exploration Meetup (MAMU II) at their house! They had about 15 UER people sleeping all over the house for two nights. And now all of a sudden UE is some kind of immoral criminal activity...it fucking sucks suddenly losing their support in one of the most meaningful things in my life. It sounds like when they told your friend "If he accepted medical treatment, he would have to wait many hours in the ER, and then many more hours in jail as they dealt with the paperwork and that we would BOTH end up spending the night in jail. If, on the other hand, he declined medical treatment, we'd be out of jail within an hour or two and he could seek medical treatment on his own" that they were just covering their asses. If he had opted to accept medical treatment "they" would have had to fill out reports, leaving a paper trail on the incident that your friend could have used against them if he wanted to sue for use of excessive force. If I were you I would start your own paper trail. When you phone your probation officer have a couple of witnesses present when you do it and make sure they can hear what's being said on both ends, write down the time and date you made the call and have them witness (sign it) also write down what you hear when you call and any messages left, especially if you do happen to speak with him. Can you get a record from you phone provider that lists calls made and received? If you can definitely get that as proof of calls you made and prove that he didn't call you back (so he can't say you didn't answer when in fact he never called) I don't know about there but here if you make a recording of a call you need to make a transcript of the call, the recording is not submittable in court but the transcript is. Also you have to tell the person on the other end they are being recorded. What does your lawyer friend say about it? That all said I'm glad you and your friend are okay. That's a good point. When I'm off probation and my record is cleared (which shouldn't be too long from now) I will post the actual location itself. And all good suggestions about recording these calls! Thanks Raine and Action. I'm going to start making video recordings of me making the calls with speakerphone. Posted by TheVicariousVadder jesus christ, it's 30 hours community service. Just pick a weekend and get it done. I actually have 25 hours finished and documented, if only I could find out how to send it in... EDIT: Oh, and if anyone really wants to know the location before then, PM me and I'll tell you as long as your account appears trustworthy. [last edit 4/18/2011 6:45 PM by DJ Craig - edited 1 times] "You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess 'Raine  Location: Hamilton Gender: Female  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 44 on 4/18/2011 10:31 PM >   AENTUASONTEHUASHTN I wish my parents saw the perspective that most people on here do. My parents actually used to explore WITH me, but now they seem to be blaming this all totally on me, saying I should never have gone to a place like that and have basically forbidden me from ever exploring again... (I'm not going to stop exploring because of them...) They keep talking about the fact that I had had encounters with the police before because of UE and I should have stopped then because this was "bound to happen eventually"... It's just baffling to me that they can take that stance after going to quite a lot of locations WITH me and being so supportive of it for so long. I hosted the second Mid-Atlantic Urban Exploration Meetup (MAMU II) at their house! They had about 15 UER people sleeping all over the house for two nights. And now all of a sudden UE is some kind of immoral criminal activity...it fucking sucks suddenly losing their support in one of the most meaningful things in my life. I can't speak for your parents, but chances are this one scared them. You could have been hurt. I gave up on "telling" my kids what to do, they are adults and can make their own choices, also pay the consequences. All I can ask is that they don't take unnecessary risks that will get them hurt. Maybe your parents thought you would grow out of UEing when they were supporting you....who knows? Hopefully this will soon be behind you and you can enjoy exploring again, do me a favour........Be careful! Glenwood  Location: Belleville, NJ  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 45 on 4/19/2011 1:23 AM >   Posted by DJ CraigEDIT: Oh, and if anyone really wants to know the location before then, PM me and I'll tell you as long as your account appears trustworthy. I'm more interested in the town or even just the state just to know where to be wary... Let's both imagine I have something clever here. DJ Craig  Moderator Location: Johnson City, TN Gender: Male Break the Silence  |  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 46 on 4/19/2011 2:23 AM >   Posted by Glenwood I'm more interested in the town or even just the state just to know where to be wary... PMed "You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess Garutachi  Location: MA Gender: Female  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 47 on 4/19/2011 2:43 AM >   Wow, this thread is going to give me nightmares. I'm so sorry that you had such a terrible experience. "The Earth is not my home, I'm just passing by." -Tom Waits angrygocart  Location: Maryland Gender: Male  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 48 on 4/19/2011 6:32 AM >   Most likely the police got a call from someone seeing you go in the location. K-9 is commonly called upon to clear large buildings. The dog biting someone is the same as the officer using any of his weapons (gun, mace, baton) and that has to be documented. The officer documents why he had to use force (dog biting someone) while making an arrest. This is why they couldn't let you go with a warning. A prisoner going to the hospital is not more paperwork- like most people the officer doesn't want to sit in an ER for several hours. [last edit 4/19/2011 6:35 AM by angrygocart - edited 1 times] \/adder  Location: DunkarooLand Gender: Male I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 49 on 4/21/2011 3:28 PM >   Posted by angrygocart Most likely the police got a call from someone seeing you go in the location. K-9 is commonly called upon to clear large buildings. The dog biting someone is the same as the officer using any of his weapons (gun, mace, baton) and that has to be documented. The officer documents why he had to use force (dog biting someone) while making an arrest. This is why they couldn't let you go with a warning. A prisoner going to the hospital is not more paperwork- like most people the officer doesn't want to sit in an ER for several hours. Anyone know if saying your sister, or anyone who lives in your household, has mono or another communicable disease throws you to the front of the ER line in the U.S.? It was discussed before in an unrelated thread. "No risk, no reward, no fun." "Go all the way or walk away" escensi omnis... Air  Location: Canada  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 50 on 4/21/2011 8:03 PM >   Posted by TheVicariousVadder Anyone know if saying your sister, or anyone who lives in your household, has mono or another communicable disease throws you to the front of the ER line in the U.S.? It was discussed before in an unrelated thread. A good way to move up the line is to say your head hurts and you feel dizzy. Mind you if you don't have insurance that could cost you $$$ big time, so.... unless you are bleeding or otherwise dying, best to wait. "The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist WarBird69  Location: Eastern TN Gender: Male Atomic Bird of War  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 51 on 4/21/2011 8:32 PM >   Holy fuck. I'm curious as to how much blood your friend lost. If he was getting dizzy from blood loss, then it had to be quite a bit. Honestly, I think declining medical treatment was a bad move on your call. The cops pulled out the BS, and you fell for it. Judging by your story, your friend had some serious wounds that needed more than just a field dressing. Reguardless, what's done is done. I agree it is stories like this that make me detest those in authority. Some cops out in the field may be on our side, but once your in the slammer, they don't give a shit. Your one of many law breakers, and if they listened to every sob story they would be listening all day. I'll repeat my first sentence again: Holy fuck. When twilight draws near, when you are pushed to the very limits of your soul, when it seems that all you have left are the dead remnants of the fabric of your life: -- BELIEVE fatwax4  Location: somewhere i shouldn't be Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 52 on 4/22/2011 1:02 AM >   WOW, man thats horrible. we have ran into police more then once and never had anything like that happen. I would love to know what state it happened in so that I dont EVER go exploring there. instagram Air  Location: Canada  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 53 on 4/22/2011 1:13 AM >   Posted by fatwax4 WOW, man thats horrible. we have ran into police more then once and never had anything like that happen. I would love to know what state it happened in so that I dont EVER go exploring there. Seriously, what makes you think this couldn't happen ANYWHERE? "The extraordinary beauty of things that fail." - Heinrich von Kleist jellybeans95  Location: Middletown, OH Gender: Female That... is a really incredible synopsis!  |  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 54 on 4/22/2011 11:06 AM >   That's horrible. I don't have any advice that hasn't already been posted, but best of luck straightening out the probation thing. Ride their asses and keep calling people until you get an answer. And record it all. Glad to hear your friend healed up, too. From the sound of it, things could have been way worse. This also worries me a bit, since some of the places I'd like to check out up here are in questionable areas. Now I'm a bit hesitant on checking those out. dsankt: In fact, the day I die yall are welcome to form an orderly queue and run a train on my eye sockets. I'll be dead and frankly, will not give a f*ck. budda: That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Fuck me sideways this is insane. ~~~~~~ Because it's Cincinnati hatsumi   |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 55 on 4/22/2011 1:24 PM >   * to move forward through a triage system in an er the head concussion or chest pains and heart palpitations with dizziness will fast track you as these are potentially life threatening in the very short term. i don't worry about being arrested, in fact it surprises me that after being very active even by most standards, i have never come across the police directly and only once or twice actually had to deal with security guards. what i do worry about is being bailed up by police in an abandonment or underground and being dealt with without being arrested or taken back to a station. it was not uncommon in the past here for people to just get thumped around for a while and then told to fuck off, although i haven't heard of it happening for some time i do know of explorers who have been caught by security guards then bashed rather than being dealt with lawfully. to be assaulted and then taken back to a station is a sign of high confidence that no matter what you say will not adversely affect them. I assume once the dog bit you it was easier to arrest you and use a reasonable force excuse, including the location and area you were in contributing to justified concern for safety leading to the use of the dog, as opposed to you leaving without being arrested but then filing a complaint against them including lack of medical attention and assault. drainasaurus maximus Buffalonian  Location: Buffalo, NY  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 56 on 4/22/2011 2:31 PM >   Sorry bro. It's like seeing the downward spiral of Charlie Sheen all over again. It's exciting to read, a little scary to think about, but fuck if it's the last time we'll see the dude. Hope you make it back to full mental recover from such a shell-shock incident. I cream, you cream, we all cream for .. white spooge. DJ Craig  Moderator Location: Johnson City, TN Gender: Male Break the Silence  |  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 57 on 4/22/2011 5:26 PM >   I finally got hold of the probation officer the other day. He was totally cool about it. I can tell we are definitely not his priority. I'm not in violation of probation (even though I'm currently two months behind on payments due to not being able to reach him) and he's going to count all my community service so I'm really close to being done. Due to the probation situation being much less uncertain (and also due to the ridiculous number of PMs I've gotten asking, understandably, for the city) I'll go ahead and say that we were at Culver High School in the Tarrant City Neighborhood of Birmingham, AL. Google Maps "You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess DJ Craig  Moderator Location: Johnson City, TN Gender: Male Break the Silence  |  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 58 on 4/22/2011 5:33 PM >   Posted by WarBird69 Holy fuck. I'm curious as to how much blood your friend lost. If he was getting dizzy from blood loss, then it had to be quite a bit. Honestly, I think declining medical treatment was a bad move on your call. The cops pulled out the BS, and you fell for it. Judging by your story, your friend had some serious wounds that needed more than just a field dressing. Reguardless, what's done is done. I agree it is stories like this that make me detest those in authority. Some cops out in the field may be on our side, but once your in the slammer, they don't give a shit. Your one of many law breakers, and if they listened to every sob story they would be listening all day. I'll repeat my first sentence again: Holy fuck. I don't really think he was faint from blood loss, or at least not that alone. I know personally, had I been put in his place, I would have probably gone totally unconscious as soon as I saw my blood and been drifting in and out for the rest of the day (but then I have vasovagal syncope, a heart condition that means I faint easily, sometimes with psychological triggers). In the jail cell, he was bleeding a little bit through the bandages, and I think the faintness was caused psychologically by seeing that, simultaneous with being in the situation we were in, along with the jail cell being really hot and crowded, and not being able to get water or use the bathroom when we wanted to. "You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose. You're on your own. And you know what you know. And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go..." -Dr. Suess fatwax4  Location: somewhere i shouldn't be Gender: Male  |  |  Re: Why I've been gone for so long... <Reply # 59 on 4/22/2011 6:30 PM >   Posted by Air Seriously, what makes you think this couldn't happen ANYWHERE? your right it could, I guess I have just been luckey so far and hope to stay that way. but I do know that some cities cops are worse then others. From the story it sound like they went way overboard. It could have just been a batch of bad cops or that could be what that city is known for. The city I live in is known to have a very harsh police force. I have hurd a lot of stories where the cops in this city went way overboard over minor offences, So I dont explore anywhere around here. Its just good to know. instagram UER Forum > Archived UE Main > Why I've been gone for so long... (Viewed 7193 times)  1 2 3 4 5   All content and images copyright © 2002-2024 UER.CA and respective creators. 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