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 FilthCity
   
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
 |  | Hiding the evidence
< on 3/5/2011 3:52 AM >
|  | | | I used the search button for this so don't grill me if there's a thread for this.
Anyways. I wanted to ask if anyone carrys a formatted (empty) memory card with them to switch out when the exit a place?
I was thinking about doing that with an old 2 gig card i have. And putting the one i used in my sock or something before i exit.
I imagine a good amount of people have had to pull the wool over an authority of some sort before and use some jedi mind tricks.
just want to see what other explorers do to help their case if approached.
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MonkeyPunchBaby
  
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<Reply # 1 on 3/5/2011 3:55 AM >
| | | | one of my friends would take his card out and take pics of the building on the outside and save them to the camera. then have the sd card available for all the other pics.
im no expert on the law, but i believe you can refuse them to search your camera without a warrant.
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FilthCity
Location: Johnson City, TN
Gender: Male
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 2 on 3/5/2011 4:01 AM >
| | | | Good idea. because having a camera and no pics may seem a bit odd.
i heard of a security guard telling some friends they could keep their camera as evidence and have to go to court to get it back or something.
i'm not an expert either but i'm pretty sure that they need a court order to take your camera. and i'll be damned if i let a security guard confiscate my equipment.
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Chris-Kicker
Location: New York, NY
Gender: Male
no, I did not Kick Chris.
| |  | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 3 on 3/5/2011 4:02 AM >
| | | | Posted by FilthCity
I used the search button for this so don't grill me if there's a thread for this.
Anyways. I wanted to ask if anyone carrys a formatted (empty) memory card with them to switch out when the exit a place?
I was thinking about doing that with an old 2 gig card i have. And putting the one i used in my sock or something before i exit.
I imagine a good amount of people have had to pull the wool over an authority of some sort before and use some jedi mind tricks.
just want to see what other explorers do to help their case if approached.
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i remember having this idea..
ive done this before... the way I did it was i took some photos from outside of the fence with the 2 gig card and then switched it while i was inside to take the real photos..
then i switched back to the 2gig when leaving to make it look like i didn't even go in..
you would still be screwed if caught inside, but hey whatever..
http://ChurchofAtom.com/
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Chris-Kicker
Location: New York, NY
Gender: Male
no, I did not Kick Chris.
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 4 on 3/5/2011 4:03 AM >
| | | | Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby
one of my friends would take his card out and take pics of the building on the outside and save them to the camera. then have the sd card available for all the other pics.
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oh wow. you talking about me monkey?
we were typing at the same time about the same time..
JINX MOTHERFUCKAAA
[last edit 3/5/2011 4:04 AM by Chris-Kicker - edited 1 times]
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 6 on 3/5/2011 4:44 AM >
| | | | This is common procedure for many explorers.
9/10 unnecessary but saved my ass when I really needed it too. Switching the cards and then vehemently reciting I only took exteriors kept me out of jail for the night.
Internal memory is another thing you might wanna watch out for, if you accidentally take a shot on internal and switch to it, you might get lucky where the cops don't realize the magnitude of what they are seeing but then again they might.
In fact, if you're doing something really sketchy I'd recommend deleting the card (erase all) and using Recuva to get the data back. Don't take another picture with the card (take it out and don't even put it back into the camera after you've deleted everything) get it home pop it into a card reader and then run recovery software.
As long as you allow the card to be erased properly in one sweep it will be recoverable. I made the mistake of erasing all and then turning it halfway off resulting in data corruption.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 7 on 3/5/2011 4:48 AM >
| | | | The Photographer’s Right
A Downloadable Flyer Explaining Your Rights When Stopped or Confronted for Photography
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
"Go all the way or walk away"
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hilite
Gender: Male
don't destroy my sweater....
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 9 on 3/5/2011 8:11 AM >
| | | | Ha ha I actually kept blurry ass pictures on my card once, The plan was that if I got caught hopefully the officer would see what a hopelessly bad photographer I was and let me off the hook out of pity.
And when you finally disappear, We'll just say you were never here. |
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nykon
Location: New Zealand
Gender: Male
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 10 on 3/5/2011 8:17 AM >
| | | | I personally wouldn't bother, but it depends on your local authorities. The fact you have been in the place you have would be much more of a worry, so whether or not you have taken photos sort of becomes irrelevant. If anything, having been in there and done something constructive (ie: take photos) would be more likely to save your arse. Being found just loitering around in an abandoned building would be more of a worry.
The only case in which I would be wary about having photos is in the case of live infiltration, as you are violating the privacy of the business and they may ask questions along the lines of industrial espionage. So, yes, in that case I would be carrying a formatted blank! But, you still have a camera on you, so that's still incriminating...
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Intrinsic
Location: Collingwood
Gender: Male
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 11 on 3/5/2011 3:46 PM >
| | | | I like to swallow my SD-cards after I've explored and am about to make my exit to the car.
It takes a few days and some Metamucil to recover them.
I'm still waiting for one that went down back in 2008. I think it was the McDonalds and coffee that caused it to go astray. One day it may come to pass and I'll dig it out, but I've written it off.
Just avoid spicy foods and you'll be fine.
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Elle
Location: Dartmouth, NS
Gender: Female
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 12 on 3/5/2011 3:52 PM >
| | | | I have a recovery program on my laptop - if they ask me to delete the photos, I will -- as long as you don't format the card, you can recover them anyway. Never had an issue with taking photos though..
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Elle
Location: Dartmouth, NS
Gender: Female
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 14 on 3/5/2011 7:50 PM >
| | | | *nods*.
On memory cards, generally there are 2 copies of the files stored. The one you can view, and then one as a backup that is hidden. So with this program, you can delete the files, and then restore them later. 
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| |  | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 15 on 3/5/2011 8:33 PM >
| | | | Posted by FilthCity
so even when you delete your photos they still are on the card?
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It's the FAT filesystem. There's a list of all the files in the card and what space they take up. Any space not reserved there can be used for nEw files. When you "delete" a file, the table entry is removed but the data remains. That was originally to save time in writing, but it has the side effect that programs can go through storage and find files that are marked to be overwritten.
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metawaffle
King of Puns
Location: Brisbane!
Gender: Male
Purveyor of Fine Lampshades
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 16 on 3/5/2011 10:45 PM >
| | | | I would have said it was overkill, but a few weeks ago, here, two explorers were questioned by police, for arguably legitimate reasons. The police looked at the photos on the camera, then called operations for the nearby facility in which they'd just been trespassing, and identified exactly where each photo was taken. And, now they're in lots of trouble (court next month).
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hatsumi
| | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 17 on 3/8/2011 12:16 PM >
| | | | i've intended to take two memory cards, take externals, then do the internal shoot and switch on exit thing for years now but could never be bothered. i can sometimes hardly be bothered to set up my camera and a tripod sometimes let alone switch cards around.
but i do beleive there is some value to the process depending on how sensitive a place you intend to explore.
this leads to the question of whether or not to erase exif data from posted photos ? again i've never bothered, but there is probably some merit to taking the extra step.
note to self. be bothered.
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AnAppleSnail
Location: Charlotte, NC
Gender: Male
ALL the flashlights!
| | | | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 18 on 3/8/2011 5:29 PM >
| | | | Posted by hatsumi
i've intended to take two memory cards, take externals, then do the internal shoot and switch on exit thing for years now but could never be bothered. i can sometimes hardly be bothered to set up my camera and a tripod sometimes let alone switch cards around.
but i do beleive there is some value to the process depending on how sensitive a place you intend to explore.
this leads to the question of whether or not to erase exif data from posted photos ? again i've never bothered, but there is probably some merit to taking the extra step.
note to self. be bothered.
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EXIF data includes date, time, sometimes the camera serial number, and on phones, sometimes GPS tagging. I hide EXIF data for some things, or fabricate it. "Shot in 1893 with a Nikon D7000."
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zipper
Location: Tampa, FL
Gender: Female
| | Re: Hiding the evidence
<Reply # 19 on 3/8/2011 7:13 PM >
| | | | I agree with FilthCity on this one, having a camera with no pictures on it would seem suspicious, however --- having a secondary card would be a great idea. Snap a couple quickies of the area and keep on the secondary card. Switch before entering & exiting.
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