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Jail time?
< on 3/1/2011 2:06 PM >
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I understand that ue can come with the risk of jail time depending on certain factors, but am just curious if anyone here has ever been sentenced to jail time for ue. I have only ever known of people getting caught receiving fines.

I am just curious how likely it is to receive anything more than a fine if you are caught. So far I have only been caught by security guards not actual police so not sure how often they actually try to jail people who are not causing damage. Sorry if this topic has been posted before I did search for it but didnt go back very far.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 1 on 3/1/2011 2:11 PM >
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Posted by adventuregirl
I understand that ue can come with the risk of jail time depending on certain factors, but am just curious if anyone here has ever been sentenced to jail time for ue. I have only ever known of people getting caught receiving fines.

I am just curious how likely it is to receive anything more than a fine if you are caught. So far I have only been caught by security guards not actual police so not sure how often they actually try to jail people who are not causing damage. Sorry if this topic has been posted before I did search for it but didnt go back very far.


I was arrested one time coming out of a drain on non drain related charges...

I have also been run off by cops multiple times, as well as ran from them. If you are careful you won't get caught, if you are caught just be respectful and show them the pics you take, and explain to them you meant no harm. Seems to work for me.

Also never run from the popo, unless you're sure you can make it, then by all means, GTFO.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 2 on 3/1/2011 2:19 PM >
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Here is what i have used to get all the info i can:

Burglar Tools

Trespass

Trespass Laws - US

Trespass Laws - Canada

Criminal Mischief

Hopefully these will help you get all the info you need.
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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 3 on 3/1/2011 2:33 PM >
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Posted by adventuregirl
I understand that ue can come with the risk of jail time depending on certain factors, but am just curious if anyone here has ever been sentenced to jail time for ue. I have only ever known of people getting caught receiving fines.

I am just curious how likely it is to receive anything more than a fine if you are caught. So far I have only been caught by security guards not actual police so not sure how often they actually try to jail people who are not causing damage. Sorry if this topic has been posted before I did search for it but didnt go back very far.


Not possible for infractions.

Unlikely for misdemeanors except for repeat offenders.
Third+ misdemeanor in same court might bring you trouble.
Felony charges would have to stick, they usually don't pursue them, too costly. Some states have felony trespass (Agriculture, Florida: Construction Sites)

One thing that can bring jail time is if you got busted someplace once, it was dismissed or filed in court, and you went back and were busted at the same place twice. The owner pursues charges again it's much more serious. But again, repeat offender.


If you have a job, especially one that requires a degree or trade, you are even more likely to get out of it. Holding any steady job and being in college or the military ... even more likely.
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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 4 on 3/1/2011 2:37 PM >
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Not possible for infractions.

Unlikely for misdemeanors except for repeat offenders.
Third+ misdemeanor in same court might bring you trouble.
Felony charges would have to stick, they usually don't pursue them, too costly. Some states have felony trespass (Agriculture, Florida: Construction Sites)

One thing that can bring jail time is if you got busted someplace once, it was dismissed or filed in court, and you went back and were busted at the same place twice. The owner pursues charges again it's much more serious. But again, repeat offender.


Thanks this is basically what I wanted to know because it seems as though it would be such a hassle for them to go through trying someone for this type of thing and with jails overpopulated that I was just curious how likely this is.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 5 on 3/1/2011 2:41 PM >
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Before you get too complacent/paranoid, there are differences based on region. Some places will prosecute the hell out of you for urban exploration, others won't. You won't really know until you talk to people from your state/province/country.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 6 on 3/1/2011 3:00 PM >
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A few people spent the weekend in jail after getting busted at one of the Poconos resorts (Pines?) a few years back, but reading between the lines of the article it sounded like they were scrapping.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 7 on 3/1/2011 3:14 PM >
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Some of our finest were jailed over some bullshit up in the Northeast. In short, they walked into an unlocked church and were taking pictures when cops showed up and decided to be big men. I know one of the guys involved has had to take a vacation from doing anything fun due to the expenses there. Apparently if you don't grease the right palms you can go from 'strolled into a place with no signage' to burglary charges.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 8 on 3/1/2011 4:51 PM >
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Being arrested is not the same as being imprisoned.

I don't know of anyone who has been imprisoned for UE related activities alone, without being guilty of more serious charges.

Except for one story down south where there was a transient freight hopper who ended up in the slammer for 30 days because the judge had a stick up his ass.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 9 on 3/1/2011 5:19 PM >
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Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Being arrested is not the same as being imprisoned.

I don't know of anyone who has been imprisoned for UE related activities alone, without being guilty of more serious charges.

Except for one story down south where there was a transient freight hopper who ended up in the slammer for 30 days because the judge had a stick up his ass.


Luckily someone was in their right mind to pull that stick out after 30 days. little poop goes a long way ..

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 10 on 3/1/2011 10:57 PM >
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Just to keep it simple, usually running is seen as an admission of guilt.

If you didn't think you were doing anything wrong, why were you running away?

I had an incident just before christmas where police and dogs were involved and when we realised it was for real we walked right up to them and said hello.

The usual "what are you doing" conversation took place and as much as I don't think they understood why we wanted to take photos there they kind of hinted it wasnt a huge concern as they are more interested in scrappers.

Out of the 4 people there only 2 got a ticket that day.

A tripod and a bag full of camera gear is great for legitimacy sometimes

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 11 on 3/1/2011 11:18 PM >
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Posted by Sledgy
Just to keep it simple, usually running is seen as an admission of guilt.

If you didn't think you were doing anything wrong, why were you running away?


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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 12 on 3/2/2011 12:31 AM >
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Dress as a jogger
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Nice

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 13 on 3/2/2011 12:52 AM >
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Posted by WEKurtz
Nice


Can't really take credit for that one but here's where I got the idea:

http://www.uer.ca/...urrpage=1&pp#post0
Originally posted by robdobi
anyone who knows me knows that this was MY place. years ago i used to frequent these buildings every other week, i knew every inch of it and had an obsession with the campus that nobody else in the area could quite understand. people used to wonder how i actually got photos out of it due to how sterile and empty it is (which is true) but the fact of the matter is each building on its own wasn't that special, you really had to know which buildings had what and use tunnels to find em.

about 5 years ago i had a shit experience where my car got towed WHILE i was inside one of the buildings, that sorta left a bad taste in my mouth and i didn't return for awhile (especially since the local police knew who i was due to the local paper publishing a story about me without telling me)

fast forward a few years, security was stepped up, kids were getting busted frequently, work started on campus, and the tunnels were sealed (thus making exploring here a pain, since like i said, each building on its own was pretty boring)

so this is my first return in about five years (minus a short lived trip about 2 years ago) and the buildings still had that funky graham cracker like smell that i missed so much. everything was going well until about 2 hours in i look outside and see a cop car plus two pickup trucks near my car parked outside.

my heart sinks.

upon further inspection i realize the pickup trucks are actually town utility workers and not security, but i am still faced with the problem that they are parked about 10 feet from my car and i have no idea how long they intend on working out there. 2 hours pass and they are still working. we head to another building, shoot for an hour and then are ready to leave the campus. we take one of the few open tunnels back to the building where i have a view of my car and the cop is gone, just the workers are left, ok, no big deal, they aren't going to be an issue.

so back through the tunnels once again to our exit. we run across the campus towards my car and once we turn the corner the cop is back, lights flashing, still 10 feet from my car.

son of a bitch! at this point it is goddamn 60 degrees out in february in new england and i have about 15 layers on and then it hits me...

i've always had this idea of packing a pair of running shorts in my camera bag in the worst case scenario of a situation like this, where i'd strip down to my shorts and run back to my car, because nobody would question a dude running without a shirt on in just shorts. in this case, i hadn't packed the shorts yet, but i had on these long black spandex underwear (hey, it was cold in the morning) so i stripped down to that and a t-shirt, doused myself in a bottle of water, rolled up my sleeves, left all my gear with my buddy who hid behind some bushes and ran back to my car.

i ran directly past the cop, made eye contact, acted like i was about to pass out, made it to my car, and keeled over for about 30 seconds like i just got done running a marathon, stretched for a minute, downed a bottle of water from my backseat, got in, drove off, picked up my buddy, DONE.

note to all explorers: pack shorts / spandex.




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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 14 on 3/13/2011 9:00 PM >
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i ran directly past the cop, made eye contact, acted like i was about to pass out, made it to my car, and keeled over for about 30 seconds like i just got done running a marathon, stretched for a minute, downed a bottle of water from my backseat, got in, drove off, picked up my buddy, DONE.



EPIC...I want to hear some more stories like this one, anybody else have a similar story of escape?

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 15 on 3/14/2011 3:45 PM >
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Have heard of people being taken in for questioning, but generally unless you have been sabotaging/tagging, taken some serious measures to get in (hence delving into the realm of breaking & entering or burglary), are in a live site (which probably is covered by the previously mentioned factor), or are violating a previously issued trespass notice - then expect nothing more than a slap on the wrist and maybe a fine. But, there are just too many factors that contribute to what could be the outcome...

Every officer I have spoken to has been quite understanding of what I do, and some have even shared tips on how to get places. However, a couple have also given verbal warnings in the form of legal advice: ie, being caught climbing scaffolding could easily constitute breaking and entering, carrying a fine and 3 months jail.

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 16 on 3/19/2011 8:00 AM >
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Posted by Relocate
EPIC...I want to hear some more stories like this one, anybody else have a similar story of escape?


I'm not sure if this would count as an escape or not.

This happened about a month ago. (time of event: about 4am)
We(5) had successfully completed a hit in a local abandoned power station, followed by a walk on the river, and had made it out and back to our car. Upon pulling out of the apartment complex we had parked at, located at the end of a dead end street, we were pulled over by a cop that was posted out right in front of our hit(many blocks(located where this dead end street actually started). As he casually walked up to my car, asking the typical license and registration, more cops began to show up in both marked and unmarked cars(I'd guess about 6 cars with multiple officers in some).
Of course, the only thought running through my head "omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail!" Straight up PANIC MODE!
Then all five of us were asked to get out of the car before I could even FIND my registration. My car was then searched. After emptying all of our pockets, backpacks, etc etc, one of the officers hoods was covered with our urbexing gear. Multiple flashlights, pocket knifes, a butterfly knife(which is illegal in my state), 6 respirators, a camera with pictures of the inside of the building, a lock picking set, multiple tools, and much more. His hood was covered...
Of course, upon finding the respirators the only things the cops would talk about were taggers. "TAGGERS!", "Looks like we've got ourself some taggers", BLAH BLAH BLAH. After much chat, we had to explain that we were not taggers, we were only there as photographers, explorers and that we were not meaning to cause any harm, etc etc etc.
So, after spending about 45 minutes going from one car bumper to the next, getting our pictures taken, names ran, lots of explaining and then getting scolded for being in a very bad neighborhood after dark(and me mentioning that my dad is also a cop >.>) they told us to get all our stuff of their hood and that they better not catch us there after dark again...
They talked about how there were better places around (insert city here) to explore, and that you don't have to get into these bad neighborhoods to find old buildings O.o (my mind was blown at that point). They basically said they didn't care if we urbexed as long as it wasn't in their neighborhood.
Now, after getting all our stuff together and firing my car back up, we slowly drove away... that is until we hit the express way. After that i took off, my thought being "Go!Quickly! Before they change their minds!!!"
This was over a month ago and I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around it lol

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 17 on 3/20/2011 3:45 PM >
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Posted by Pandamonium


I'm not sure if this would count as an escape or not.

This happened about a month ago. (time of event: about 4am)
We(5) had successfully completed a hit in a local abandoned power station, followed by a walk on the river, and had made it out and back to our car. Upon pulling out of the apartment complex we had parked at, located at the end of a dead end street, we were pulled over by a cop that was posted out right in front of our hit(many blocks(located where this dead end street actually started). As he casually walked up to my car, asking the typical license and registration, more cops began to show up in both marked and unmarked cars(I'd guess about 6 cars with multiple officers in some).
Of course, the only thought running through my head "omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail! omg, we're going to jail!" Straight up PANIC MODE!
Then all five of us were asked to get out of the car before I could even FIND my registration. My car was then searched. After emptying all of our pockets, backpacks, etc etc, one of the officers hoods was covered with our urbexing gear. Multiple flashlights, pocket knifes, a butterfly knife(which is illegal in my state), 6 respirators, a camera with pictures of the inside of the building, a lock picking set, multiple tools, and much more. His hood was covered...
Of course, upon finding the respirators the only things the cops would talk about were taggers. "TAGGERS!", "Looks like we've got ourself some taggers", BLAH BLAH BLAH. After much chat, we had to explain that we were not taggers, we were only there as photographers, explorers and that we were not meaning to cause any harm, etc etc etc.
So, after spending about 45 minutes going from one car bumper to the next, getting our pictures taken, names ran, lots of explaining and then getting scolded for being in a very bad neighborhood after dark(and me mentioning that my dad is also a cop >.>) they told us to get all our stuff of their hood and that they better not catch us there after dark again...
They talked about how there were better places around (insert city here) to explore, and that you don't have to get into these bad neighborhoods to find old buildings O.o (my mind was blown at that point). They basically said they didn't care if we urbexed as long as it wasn't in their neighborhood.
Now, after getting all our stuff together and firing my car back up, we slowly drove away... that is until we hit the express way. After that i took off, my thought being "Go!Quickly! Before they change their minds!!!"
This was over a month ago and I still have a hard time wrapping my mind around it lol

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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 18 on 3/20/2011 9:44 PM >
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Posted by Digital Dante


When was this!? The second return without me?




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Re: Jail time?
<Reply # 19 on 3/20/2011 11:28 PM >
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How has no one posted this yet?

http://www.youtube...#p/u/1/_rkPVU84WzU

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