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 Loki
  
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Gender: Male
 |  | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 1 on 9/10/2010 3:12 AM >
|  | | | Damn, gotta find me a new disguise.
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Harvestman
   
Location: Somewhere in SORTA/TANK Territory!
Gender: Male
Everything about me has a poker face.
| |  | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 2 on 9/10/2010 3:13 PM >
| | | | Shit, looks like it's time to lose the hood.
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...guess I'll wear a hat instead! 
Oh good, my slow clap processor made it into this thing.
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tholcomb
Location: Chattanooga, TN
Gender: Male
Captain Baghead!
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 3 on 9/10/2010 3:18 PM >
| | | | Don't explore active airports, don't deal with TSA.
Problem solved.
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SeikoLiz
Location: 21061
Gender: Male
The beast with those four dirty paws
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<Reply # 4 on 9/10/2010 3:51 PM >
| | | | Ugh, I had to deal with TSA once while taking photos on top of a parking garage near an airport. Wasn't even photographing the airport itself, but it took 2 hours of running around the same questions to convince them I wasn't trying to blow something up (since all modern cameras come equipped with thermo-nuke launchers and all).
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Louie
 
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 5 on 9/10/2010 5:50 PM >
| | | | Just make sure you wear one of these
Foolproof.
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-Erebus-
Location: Bradford West Gwillimbury
Gender: Male
BBM: 21ED42EC
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 6 on 9/10/2010 5:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by Louie
Just make sure you wear one of these
Foolproof.
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Vehicular Lord Rick
Location: northeastern New York
No matter where you go, there you are...
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 7 on 9/10/2010 7:25 PM >
| | | | hahaha... i doubly screwed!
I have a camouflaged hoodie!
i must be a fat, irish terrorist!
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 9 on 9/10/2010 8:43 PM >
| | | | Whats annoying about TSA is that the stuff they do does absolutely nothing to secure air travel. Anyone with a pilot's license card, which would be easy as fuck to make a duplicate of, can get access to the general taxiways and from there there is practically nothing to keep them from walking right up to a fully loaded 747.
More importantly food vendors and cleaning crews aren't as closely watched as they are supposed to be, making it not difficult to plant weapons on the plane for their counterparts as passengers can use to take over the plane. The concrete safeguards that are in place are only the cockpit door and improved training for intercept aircraft to shoot the planes down.
And smaller planes like the one that guy crashed into the IRS building? Easy as fuck to steal. Small airports in the U.S. rarely have overnight security and if they do its usually not more than one guy who does regular patrols. The planes themselves have straightforward ignition switches that can be bypassed with a few crossed wires.
TL;DR - TSA is the illusion of safety, nothing more.
[last edit 9/10/2010 8:44 PM by uLiveAndYouBurn - edited 1 times]
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Ashes in the Snow
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
Ladder Addict
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 10 on 9/10/2010 9:56 PM >
| | | | what joe says about TSA is true for the most part. But, security at bigger airports is tighter than you would think. If you somehow do make it onto the FBO to steal a plane, as soon as you step onto an actual movement area without talking to me or one of my colleagues, The actual police are notified, which are usually separate from TSA. These guys carry higher caliber weapons, usually in automatic form. If they fail to stop you before you get your plane off the ground, we notify the someone (not allowed to exactly identify the organization) who dispatches fighter aircraft to intercept you.
Since 9/11, the rules have changed big time. At the time of the attack, we were completely ill prepared to defend ourselves from an attack within our borders. We had 3 fighters that were able to fly on the east coast. 1 was fully armed, 1 only had guns, and 1 had no armaments. Things are different today. I know at RDU we have our own apache helicopter guard station. Not to mention there is Pope air force base, and seymour johnson about 60 miles away.
When it comes down to it... It's definitely not smart to try to explore an active airport. In the end, you'll probably just be detained for questioning, but it's still a hassle to go through. Most airports have areas designed for photographic opportunities, and if you want a tour through other places, you can ask and probably get it.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 11 on 9/11/2010 1:43 AM >
| | | | What has been the most effective method at preventing terrorist attacks?
Increased surveillance? Military operations? Civil rights violations?
Nope.
American citizens NOT being sheep and fighting back and kicking the ever loving shit out of the terrorists.
That's not just Americans either time and time again ... many of those present in hostage and terrorist attacks die when they do as their hostage takers command.
The first three hijacked planes of 9/11 met no resistance because the passengers were taken by surprise, before September 2001 the usual hostage M.O. meant more hostages = more leverage ... that they would land and negotiate or the navy seals would rush in and save the day. If they had known their plane was going to be used as a human filled missile, they wouldn't have waited anxiously, they would have fought back.
Flight 93 fought back because they found out about what happened to the other planes.
The shoe bomber dude got his ass beat after failing to ignite his foot.
The liquid bomber guy got his ass beat after someone noticed what he was doing.
Statistically less people will die in an all out brawl with hostage takers then through the negotiation process. Or in the case of mass shooters or spree killers ... 20 people rushing the attackers from all sides, half might die before they brought them down ... but that's still less than being picked off one by one as they are running away.
Fight back. Always. Don't let that public relations bullshit get to you. These people want to kill you. Don't run. Don't hide. Fight back with a ferocity that makes them question who's side Allah is really on.
You want prevention? Train people not to be sheep.
But aaahh shit, every time the government trains people to fight back against repressors they usually end up fighting back against the US government. Guess the sheep will be fed to the wolves to maintain order and control.
"No risk, no reward, no fun."
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 12 on 9/11/2010 1:44 AM >
| | | | Posted by Ashes in the Snow
what joe says about TSA is true for the most part. But, security at bigger airports is tighter than you would think. If you somehow do make it onto the FBO to steal a plane, as soon as you step onto an actual movement area without talking to me or one of my colleagues, The actual police are notified, which are usually separate from TSA. These guys carry higher caliber weapons, usually in automatic form. If they fail to stop you before you get your plane off the ground, we notify the someone (not allowed to exactly identify the organization) who dispatches fighter aircraft to intercept you.
Since 9/11, the rules have changed big time. At the time of the attack, we were completely ill prepared to defend ourselves from an attack within our borders. We had 3 fighters that were able to fly on the east coast. 1 was fully armed, 1 only had guns, and 1 had no armaments. Things are different today. I know at RDU we have our own apache helicopter guard station. Not to mention there is Pope air force base, and seymour johnson about 60 miles away.
When it comes down to it... It's definitely not smart to try to explore an active airport. In the end, you'll probably just be detained for questioning, but it's still a hassle to go through. Most airports have areas designed for photographic opportunities, and if you want a tour through other places, you can ask and probably get it.
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I was thinking about a scenario where the attackers would know proper clearance technique. What if they got clearance for a certain taxiway and deviated? Do you think they would send an intercept before they made it from the fbo to the airline terminal?
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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The_Trooper
Location: San Diego, CA
Gender: Male
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 13 on 9/11/2010 5:23 AM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
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good post man, very true.
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Ashes in the Snow
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
Ladder Addict
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 14 on 9/11/2010 3:48 PM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
What has been the most effective method at preventing terrorist attacks?
Increased surveillance? Military operations? Civil rights violations?
Nope.
American citizens NOT being sheep and fighting back and kicking the ever loving shit out of the terrorists.
That's not just Americans either time and time again ... many of those present in hostage and terrorist attacks die when they do as their hostage takers command.
The first three hijacked planes of 9/11 met no resistance because the passengers were taken by surprise, before September 2001 the usual hostage M.O. meant more hostages = more leverage ... that they would land and negotiate or the navy seals would rush in and save the day. If they had known their plane was going to be used as a human filled missile, they wouldn't have waited anxiously, they would have fought back.
Flight 93 fought back because they found out about what happened to the other planes.
The shoe bomber dude got his ass beat after failing to ignite his foot.
The liquid bomber guy got his ass beat after someone noticed what he was doing.
Statistically less people will die in an all out brawl with hostage takers then through the negotiation process. Or in the case of mass shooters or spree killers ... 20 people rushing the attackers from all sides, half might die before they brought them down ... but that's still less than being picked off one by one as they are running away.
Fight back. Always. Don't let that public relations bullshit get to you. These people want to kill you. Don't run. Don't hide. Fight back with a ferocity that makes them question who's side Allah is really on.
You want prevention? Train people not to be sheep.
But aaahh shit, every time the government trains people to fight back against repressors they usually end up fighting back against the US government. Guess the sheep will be fed to the wolves to maintain order and control.
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This is true. The biggest problem with our country is the "Someone else will take care of me" attitude we have developed. No one has any self responsibility to stand up and defend themselves and get shit done. It doesn't help with the current government constantly preaching about how they are going to do everything for them, and not to worry, just rely on them. Fuck that.
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Ashes in the Snow
Location: Raleigh, NC
Gender: Male
Ladder Addict
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 15 on 9/11/2010 3:51 PM >
| | | | Posted by uLiveAndYouBurn
I was thinking about a scenario where the attackers would know proper clearance technique. What if they got clearance for a certain taxiway and deviated? Do you think they would send an intercept before they made it from the fbo to the airline terminal?
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I know this varies from airport to airport, but at RDU, if an airplane deviates from what I tell him to do while taxiing, and doesn't respond after trying to get a hold of him when he could talk to me fine just prior, we call the airport ops/police who are always at the terminals and they can intercept them pretty fast.
Anyone who is authorized to drive on the airport is trained on what roads to use and things like that. This one lady, on her first day, got into a van and drove down 2 active taxiways without calling us first. We saw her leave the fbo lot, and get on Taxiway charlie, called airport ops, and they met her before she got to the terminal and had her out of the car lol. They are pretty good about it here.
But I can only speak for our airport, but I do know the larger the airport, the more increased the security.
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Arch-Image
Location: DFW
Gender: Male
"This gene pool could use a little chlorine."
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 16 on 9/11/2010 4:19 PM >
| | | | I would have to agree with Ashes, TSA and other security practices at airports some that you never see have a ton more going on than you think. Hence the reason photographers are getting harassed at times. Personally, I fly a ton, not unusual for me to be in the air couple of times a week sometimes, they can just go on doing all they can to keep my ass safe.
Posted by uLiveAndYouBurn
Whats annoying about TSA is that the stuff they do does absolutely nothing to secure air travel. Anyone with a pilot's license card, which would be easy as fuck to make a duplicate of,
Yea, you try that at any major airport and see how far it gets ya, I know the crap I gotta go thru as a contractor at airports every day I check in, it wouldn't be that easy, it's also a reason typically guards are not rotated from area to area, they get to know the pilots and new ones are questioned.
More importantly food vendors and cleaning crews aren't as closely watched as they are supposed to be, making it not difficult to plant weapons on the plane for their counterparts as passengers can use to take over the plane. The concrete safeguards that are in place are only the cockpit door and improved training for intercept aircraft to shoot the planes down.
And smaller planes like the one that guy crashed into the IRS building? Easy as fuck to steal. Small airports in the U.S. rarely have overnight security and if they do its usually not more than one guy who does regular patrols. The planes themselves have straightforward ignition switches that can be bypassed with a few crossed wires.
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If this was all so easy why hasn't happened more often?
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uLiveAndYouBurn
Location: Beyond
Anarchocommunist
| | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 17 on 9/11/2010 4:44 PM >
| | | | Actually small planes are stolen very often, especially in the border states.
"Aint nothin' to it but to do it"
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Louie
| | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 18 on 9/11/2010 8:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by uLiveAndYouBurn
Actually small planes are stolen very often, especially in the border states.
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Case in point, Colton Harris Moore aka the Barefoot Bandit. Hes gone cross country in stolen vehicles: planes, cars, and speedboats
http://en.wikipedi...olton_Harris-Moore
He stole five small planes and crashed three before getting caught, using simple UE/boy scout skills to hotwire vehicles, survive in the wilderness, and break into mansions to eat their food, swim in their pools, and steal their credit cards.
Imagine Survivorman mixed with grand theft auto, but only 19.
[last edit 9/11/2010 8:39 PM by Louie - edited 1 times]
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Durdan
Location: Ybor City, FL
Gender: Male
| | | | Re: TSA Campaign Targets Photographers in Hoodies
<Reply # 19 on 9/12/2010 6:47 PM >
| | | | Posted by TheVicariousVadder
Statistically less people will die in an all out brawl with hostage takers then through the negotiation process. Or in the case of mass shooters or spree killers ... 20 people rushing the attackers from all sides, half might die before they brought them down ... but that's still less than being picked off one by one as they are running away.
Fight back. Always. Don't let that public relations bullshit get to you. These people want to kill you. Don't run. Don't hide. Fight back with a ferocity that makes them question who's side Allah is really on.
You want prevention? Train people not to be sheep.
But aaahh shit, every time the government trains people to fight back against repressors they usually end up fighting back against the US government. Guess the sheep will be fed to the wolves to maintain order and control.
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the problem here is also the assumption that your typical american is intelligent and self-aware. you teach the american people to fight terrorists, and every foreigner, not looking like whitey, is going to be beat to death for just going to the bathroom to piss while mid flight. next thing you know, we'll be bringing back the internment camps of the 40s&50s on;ly this time not for the japanese.
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