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 kabiff
 
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
Boo Radley
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< on 8/9/2010 6:22 AM >
|  | | | Alright, so at one of my locations, it seems that the owners of the property were tired of stupid people going into their buildings, and so they decided to go to some of the doors, and fill the area between the door and the door frame with some type of caulking or glue or something. This stuff is actually pretty bad ass, and it holds the doors really tightly. Does anyone have a solution for this situation, or is the best idea to just find a different way in? (lol)
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KingJalopy
   
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
I love manholes
| |  | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 1 on 8/9/2010 8:39 AM >
| | | | Sounds like "liquid nail" which is bad ass. You would probably need some kind of liquid hammer or something.. ;)
edit - cause I felt like it.
[last edit 8/9/2010 8:39 AM by KingJalopy - edited 1 times]
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consecrated
  
Location: Connecticut
Gender: Male
Æthereal
| |  | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 2 on 8/9/2010 11:04 AM >
| | | | Posted by KingJalopy
You would probably need some kind of liquid hammer or something.. ;)
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Nice. ;)
That depends how patient you are and how bad you want to get in. It will be difficult to soak in mineral spirits because of gravity, obviously, and even if you stood there for a week continually coating the stuff it would probably still not come out easy. Never tried the jelly idea. THat might work because you can really pack that in there. Bear in mind you'll likely have to work at it then coat it again. Heat works really well but heat is notorious for starting something called "fire", which is not compatible with abandonments. So, that's probably not a good idea. Plus it would suck to get caught with butane torch at/in/near a vacant building. Vaseline you can at least explain away, even if it is embarrassing. What would likely work (slowly) but would suck to do is get a decent (sturdy) utility knife with a shit-ton of blades and work around the gap between the frame and the door. LN dries hard so it won't be easy or fun. Don't use a box cutter or disposable, it will likely show you what's-up when your hand starts to get tired.
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 3 on 8/9/2010 11:11 AM >
| | | | if the place you're talking about is in your avi- watch it, there's activity going on now with a potential buyer of the property. With that said, the caulking is nothing new and they've been doing that for years. Everything always opens again.
JMHO
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splumer
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Gender: Male
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 4 on 8/9/2010 1:12 PM >
| | | | Removing an adhesive holding a door closed would probably be considered B&E.
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Dick Winter
Location: Richmond
Gender: Male
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 5 on 8/9/2010 2:25 PM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
Removing an adhesive holding a door closed would probably be considered B&E.
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Simply going in the building would probably be considered B&E
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KingJalopy
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
I love manholes
| | | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 6 on 8/9/2010 2:45 PM >
| | | | Posted by Dick Winter
Simply going in the building would probably be considered B&E
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+1
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Mr_Fiend
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
Infiltration Expert...
| | | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 7 on 8/9/2010 3:30 PM >
| | | | Posted by kabiff
some of the doors, |
What about the other doors? Or windows? Loose boards? Portals?
I wouldnt waste my time on a door sealed like that, unless the building was REALLY worth it, or if it was your ONLY option.
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kabiff
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
Boo Radley
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 8 on 8/9/2010 4:34 PM >
| | | | Posted by Mr_Fiend
What about the other doors? Or windows? Loose boards? Portals?
I wouldnt waste my time on a door sealed like that, unless the building was REALLY worth it, or if it was your ONLY option.
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Well, that was obviously my first idea, but obviously if there were some way to walk in the front door, rather than ripping off some plywood and wiggling through a broken window, it would be the better option.
@Liska That's all cool and such, but I was curious how even they would go about opening these doors, hah.
The vaseline idea is cool, but like someone said, it would probably take a long time, and therefore would not be a good option.
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Liska
Location: Western Massachusetts
Gender: Female
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 9 on 8/9/2010 5:12 PM >
| | | | Posted by kabiff
Well, that was obviously my first idea, but obviously if there were some way to walk in the front door, rather than ripping off some plywood and wiggling through a broken window, it would be the better option.
@Liska That's all cool and such, but I was curious how even they would go about opening these doors, hah.
The vaseline idea is cool, but like someone said, it would probably take a long time, and therefore would not be a good option.
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My best guess? Crowbar or knife of some sort. My advice to you? Leave them alone, and let someone else to the dirty work, because if you get caught it's your ass that gets thrown into the fire.
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\/adder
Location: DunkarooLand
Gender: Male
I'm the worst of the best but I'm in this race.
| | | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 10 on 8/9/2010 6:39 PM >
| | | | you could modify a hot glue gun to run on external batteries and that should be hot enough to melt it without starting fire to the building.
140*F isn't really that hot (my car interior gets 120* on a hot day in the sun, easy), then again I'm used to playing around a 350-400*F grill all day long.
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kabiff
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
Boo Radley
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 11 on 8/10/2010 4:30 AM >
| | | | Yeah, if anything I'm probably gonna just get some Vaseline, and throw on a coating and wait a few days, and see what happens.
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KingJalopy
Location: Tulsa, OK
Gender: Male
I love manholes
| | | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 12 on 8/10/2010 4:40 AM >
| | | | Posted by kabiff
Yeah, if anything I'm probably gonna just get some Vaseline, and throw on a coating and wait a few days, and see what happens.
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That's what she said.
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 13 on 8/10/2010 7:30 AM >
| | | | Metal door and frame, or wood? If metal, the tip of the flame from a propane torch could possibly do the job pretty quickly... if the door is relatively well hidden from view and you don't mind bringing along a blowtorch that is, lol. MAPP gas might be a bit hot, but propane probably wouldn't hurt anything too much. At least it'd probably soften the stuff up in a hurry so you could scrape it out.
That's just me, though. I know a lot of folks aren't really all about breaking out the heavy tools.
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kabiff
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
Boo Radley
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 14 on 8/10/2010 7:58 AM >
| | | | Posted by person
That's just me, though. I know a lot of folks aren't really all about breaking out the heavy tools.
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Well we've determined it'll either be a blowtorch like you said, since the vaseline is highly improbable, or a sledge hammer, depending on which POE we decide on. :/
Highly possible we'll decide on neither and just move on... hah.
[edit] Posted by KingJalopy
That's what she said.
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Very nice.
[last edit 8/10/2010 8:01 AM by kabiff - edited 1 times]
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person
Location: cincinnati
Gender: Male
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 15 on 8/11/2010 1:57 AM >
| | | | | Posted by kabiffa sledge hammer |
Let me be the first to say... bwahahahaha.
I like how this thread is turning out.
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MindHacker
Location: Suburbs of DC
Gender: Male
If you spot a terrorist arrow, pin it to the wall with your shoulder.
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 16 on 8/11/2010 2:11 AM >
| | | | Posted by splumer
Removing an adhesive holding a door closed would probably be considered B&E.
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+1, what we're discussing would be vandalism or worse. (So don't get caught!).
Posted by TheVicariousVadder
you could modify a hot glue gun to run on external batteries and that should be hot enough to melt it without starting fire to the building.
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I don't think you'd be able to get far enough that it wouldn't cool in one place before another place got hot, and glueguns (especially high-heat, the type that can burn you / the type you want) pull a lot of power.
I'd go for a different POE, but if I was set on this POE, a torch. Just make sure you keep it moving. Constantly back and forth and back and forth. Also check to see if they didn't augment the liquid nails with a few of the regular type too.
Edit: Liquid nails is flammable as f*ck. Take a fire extinguisher with you too (also could get you out of an arson charge). Once your in, you can always ditch the torch / extinguisher to grab later.
[last edit 8/11/2010 2:14 AM by MindHacker - edited 1 times]
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kabiff
Location: Western MA
Gender: Male
Boo Radley
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 17 on 8/11/2010 2:21 PM >
| | | | Posted by MindHacker
+1, what we're discussing would be vandalism or worse. (So don't get caught!).
I don't think you'd be able to get far enough that it wouldn't cool in one place before another place got hot, and glueguns (especially high-heat, the type that can burn you / the type you want) pull a lot of power.
I'd go for a different POE, but if I was set on this POE, a torch. Just make sure you keep it moving. Constantly back and forth and back and forth. Also check to see if they didn't augment the liquid nails with a few of the regular type too.
Edit: Liquid nails is flammable as f*ck. Take a fire extinguisher with you too (also could get you out of an arson charge). Once your in, you can always ditch the torch / extinguisher to grab later.
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Yeah, I'm thinking that the blowtorch/fire extinguisher combo would be:
A: too cumbersome and
B: not worth the reward.
If something doesn't work itself out I'll probably just hope that it opens on its own someday lol.
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Dick Winter
Location: Richmond
Gender: Male
| | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 18 on 8/12/2010 3:26 AM >
| | | | I feel like if you're willing to use a sledge hammer, you can probably find another POE that doesn't risk burning the building down.
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Caulking in doors
<Reply # 19 on 8/16/2010 10:53 PM >
| | | | Maybe a silly question but, what other openings exist in the buildings? I tend to find most doors are secured but creativity and good observation can often find a different weak point in the buildings defenses...
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